[joe-frank-list] Re: make Joe's radio public

Bob Lee bobl at 1amsoftware.com
Fri Oct 29 05:28:02 PDT 2004

He was sort of vague about the entire removal process from Kcrw until last may when he and another Ex personality of KCRW did a live show on the subject of Ruth Seyour, in los angeles.   Even after seeing an entire show about the subject the facts are still somewhat unclear.  Only his  feelings seem to be clear to me, and really whats more imporant ?  who actually said what when, or what the process did to Joe's soul 3 years on...

Some of the content of Joe Live show there has ended up on the new show on his web site. Times Arrow.    I suggest that you get it.. Its not best work joe has ever done...but it is a way to show support for his continued work. 

Bob Lee 

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Beau Gunderson 
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  Sent: Friday, October 29, 2004 2:24 AM
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  Tried in vain to find the article on joefrank.com about him getting fired (it was more about the other woman fired by Seymour but it was pretty informative) but it's not there anymore! I even checked the Wayback machine but it wasn't on there either. I remember it being linked from the front page, anybody else know what I'm talking about?




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  To fsedghip at yahoo.ca -  you raised some very interesting ideas, I found your post thought-provoking. Obviously you took some time putting that together.

  As I consider the issues you raised, many of which impact all of us as consumers of electronic "art"  (music, film, literature, etc.) I want to make a few observations.

  You mention ThisLife.Org  - Ira Glass's THIS AMERICAN LIFE program which is carried on NPR and originates at WBEZ in Chicago.  There is an exact parallel here, Joe Frank used to have a radio "home" at KCRW in Santa Monica, and they supported him with some money, maybe some administrative help and also provided a studio and gear, etc.  But Joe and KCRW had some kind of falling out, if not a falling out then at least a parting of the ways.  I'm not sure what it was all about, except I know Joe is unhappy about something which he may have experienced as betrayal or some other negative action by KCRW or it's management.  I can't find any info about it, all I've heard / read /seen from Joe on the issue is, "Oh, let's not go into that, let's just move on."  I don't know what went wrong, but KCRW DOES seem to have retreated from any position of leadership they may have had in terms of free speech and the arts, and they seem to be getting more conservative. Maybe it's all that money- I've read that KCRW raises more $$$ than any other NPR affiliate. 

  In any event, Joe Frank doesn't have a "patron" in the same way that Ira Glass does at WBEZ, so he can't offer all his stuff for free.  It USED to be online for free at KCRW, but those days have passed. (Maybe Ira Glass should pay some royalties to Joe, after all he learned his craft as an intern on Joe's show-  some of the This American Life programs even use some of the same music used in Joe Frank programs.....  but actually I doubt if Ira Glass & CO have money laying around in great heaps.)

  Maybe we all need to writing our congressmen to have Joe declared a living national treasure and have his work supported by a lifetime federal stipend or something, but you know all that security might take the edge off his work. ;-)


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