[joe-frank-list] Re: make Joe's radio public

Erik Shirokoff shiro at uclink4.berkeley.edu
Fri Oct 29 01:34:01 PDT 2004

The article seems to have disappeared completely from the web site.

I've got a copy of the page from 2004-05-01.  If anyone wants it, let me know.  I'm not posting it to the list just in case Joe has a compelling reason to want it gone. 

You could make the case that by posting something online one is inviting its eternal public survival, and I'd happily agree demanding that people not post archives of a web site is unreasonable.  At the same time, if Joe wants the page eliminated, I'm not inclined to annoy him by adding a copy to the mailing list archive for all eternity.  It would certainly piss me off if a fan made copies of everything I wrote online and reposted it years later.  (There are certainly benefits to working in a field which doesn't generate fans.)

- Erik

On Thu, Oct 28, 2004 at 11:24:16PM -0700, Beau Gunderson wrote:
> Tried in vain to find the article on joefrank.com about him getting fired
> (it was more about the other woman fired by Seymour but it was pretty
> informative) but it's not there anymore! I even checked the Wayback machine
> but it wasn't on there either. I remember it being linked from the front
> page, anybody else know what I'm talking about?
>   _____  
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> [mailto:joe-frank-list-bounces at armory.com] On Behalf Of BILLMILOSZ at aol.com
> Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2004 11:09 PM
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> Subject: Re: [joe-frank-list] Re: make Joe's radio public
> To fsedghip at yahoo.ca -  you raised some very interesting ideas, I found your
> post thought-provoking. Obviously you took some time putting that together.
> As I consider the issues you raised, many of which impact all of us as
> consumers of electronic "art"  (music, film, literature, etc.) I want to
> make a few observations.
> You mention ThisLife.Org  - Ira Glass's THIS AMERICAN LIFE program which is
> carried on NPR and originates at WBEZ in Chicago.  There is an exact
> parallel here, Joe Frank used to have a radio "home" at KCRW in Santa
> Monica, and they supported him with some money, maybe some administrative
> help and also provided a studio and gear, etc.  But Joe and KCRW had some
> kind of falling out, if not a falling out then at least a parting of the
> ways.  I'm not sure what it was all about, except I know Joe is unhappy
> about something which he may have experienced as betrayal or some other
> negative action by KCRW or it's management.  I can't find any info about it,
> all I've heard / read /seen from Joe on the issue is, "Oh, let's not go into
> that, let's just move on."  I don't know what went wrong, but KCRW DOES seem
> to have retreated from any position of leadership they may have had in terms
> of free speech and the arts, and they seem to be getting more conservative.
> Maybe it's all that money- I've read that KCRW raises more $$$ than any
> other NPR affiliate. 
> In any event, Joe Frank doesn't have a "patron" in the same way that Ira
> Glass does at WBEZ, so he can't offer all his stuff for free.  It USED to be
> online for free at KCRW, but those days have passed. (Maybe Ira Glass should
> pay some royalties to Joe, after all he learned his craft as an intern on
> Joe's show-  some of the This American Life programs even use some of the
> same music used in Joe Frank programs.....  but actually I doubt if Ira
> Glass & CO have money laying around in great heaps.)
> Maybe we all need to writing our congressmen to have Joe declared a living
> national treasure and have his work supported by a lifetime federal stipend
> or something, but you know all that security might take the edge off his
> work. ;-)

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