[joe-frank-list] Re: make Joe's radio public

Matthew Hawco jump_monk at hotmail.com
Fri Oct 29 06:38:34 PDT 2004


that's good..

send a copy here please :)


>From: Erik Shirokoff <shiro at uclink4.berkeley.edu>
>Reply-To: Joe Frank Mailing List <joe-frank-list at armory.com>
>To: Joe Frank Mailing List <joe-frank-list at armory.com>
>Subject: Re: [joe-frank-list] Re: make Joe's radio public
>Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 01:34:01 -0700
>The article seems to have disappeared completely from the web site.
>I've got a copy of the page from 2004-05-01.  If anyone wants it, let me 
>know.  I'm not posting it to the list just in case Joe has a compelling 
>reason to want it gone.
>You could make the case that by posting something online one is inviting 
>its eternal public survival, and I'd happily agree demanding that people 
>not post archives of a web site is unreasonable.  At the same time, if Joe 
>wants the page eliminated, I'm not inclined to annoy him by adding a copy 
>to the mailing list archive for all eternity.  It would certainly piss me 
>off if a fan made copies of everything I wrote online and reposted it years 
>later.  (There are certainly benefits to working in a field which doesn't 
>generate fans.)
>- Erik
>On Thu, Oct 28, 2004 at 11:24:16PM -0700, Beau Gunderson wrote:
> > Tried in vain to find the article on joefrank.com about him getting 
> > (it was more about the other woman fired by Seymour but it was pretty
> > informative) but it's not there anymore! I even checked the Wayback 
> > but it wasn't on there either. I remember it being linked from the front
> > page, anybody else know what I'm talking about?
> >
> >
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> >
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> >
> > From: joe-frank-list-bounces at armory.com
> > [mailto:joe-frank-list-bounces at armory.com] On Behalf Of 
>BILLMILOSZ at aol.com
> > Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2004 11:09 PM
> > To: joe-frank-list at armory.com
> > Subject: Re: [joe-frank-list] Re: make Joe's radio public
> >
> >
> >
> > To fsedghip at yahoo.ca -  you raised some very interesting ideas, I found 
> > post thought-provoking. Obviously you took some time putting that 
> >
> > As I consider the issues you raised, many of which impact all of us as
> > consumers of electronic "art"  (music, film, literature, etc.) I want to
> > make a few observations.
> >
> > You mention ThisLife.Org  - Ira Glass's THIS AMERICAN LIFE program which 
> > carried on NPR and originates at WBEZ in Chicago.  There is an exact
> > parallel here, Joe Frank used to have a radio "home" at KCRW in Santa
> > Monica, and they supported him with some money, maybe some 
> > help and also provided a studio and gear, etc.  But Joe and KCRW had 
> > kind of falling out, if not a falling out then at least a parting of the
> > ways.  I'm not sure what it was all about, except I know Joe is unhappy
> > about something which he may have experienced as betrayal or some other
> > negative action by KCRW or it's management.  I can't find any info about 
> > all I've heard / read /seen from Joe on the issue is, "Oh, let's not go 
> > that, let's just move on."  I don't know what went wrong, but KCRW DOES 
> > to have retreated from any position of leadership they may have had in 
> > of free speech and the arts, and they seem to be getting more 
> > Maybe it's all that money- I've read that KCRW raises more $$$ than any
> > other NPR affiliate.
> >
> > In any event, Joe Frank doesn't have a "patron" in the same way that Ira
> > Glass does at WBEZ, so he can't offer all his stuff for free.  It USED 
>to be
> > online for free at KCRW, but those days have passed. (Maybe Ira Glass 
> > pay some royalties to Joe, after all he learned his craft as an intern 
> > Joe's show-  some of the This American Life programs even use some of 
> > same music used in Joe Frank programs.....  but actually I doubt if Ira
> > Glass & CO have money laying around in great heaps.)
> >
> > Maybe we all need to writing our congressmen to have Joe declared a 
> > national treasure and have his work supported by a lifetime federal 
> > or something, but you know all that security might take the edge off his
> > work. ;-)
> >
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