[joe-frank-list] Jack Kornfield

[craig millman]

I heard that interview and found it real surprising
that Kornfield hadn't heard of JF. It seemed like he
was a bit wary Joe might have been mocking him or not
necessarily using his content with the same integrity.
I don't know if Kornfield would get Joe, but I have no
doubt Joe gets Kornfield.

To me Kornfield is the real deal. He's not a wimpy new
ager and he's not a phony like Chopra and Dyer. He's
authentic. I've listened to podcasts of other
Buddhists and I can't get into it like Kornfield. He
has real substance. I thought his "Path with Heart"
was a very good read.

Watts is total different. He didn't really practice,
he lectured. He's more of a scholar/bon vivant.
Personally I think the Donald Sutherland character in
Animal House had a little Alan Watts in him. 

Watts gets repetitious but I love listening to him
because to me his philosophy is incredibly sensible.


--- Tom McDonald <awkwardgrace at yahoo.com> wrote:

> My initial reaction to Kornfield segments was
> practically to roll my eyes and hold my nose. After
> not too long, though, I began to like the musicality
> of his voice. And then, persuaded to listen, I
> realized we was going beyond the simplistic thinking
> that I associate with spiritual tourism, and  I
> understood that he actually did have some wisdom to
> impart. In the end I've collected quite a few of his
> audio materials (on the written page his voice
> doesn't
> come through). Because of my gut-level objections to
> new age things and self help things, I realize I
> never
> would have tapped into JF were it not for the Joe
> Frank wrapping put it around.
> 
> I think there's an episode where Larry and Joe talk
> about Kornfield, almost in passing. That snippet
> tended to confirm what I thought all along (once I
> took JK seriously), which is that Joe weaves in the
> Kornfield bits because there's a richness there and 
> lack of irony. If nothing else, the JK segments work
> as a kind of musical or emotional counterpoint (a
> calm
> clear voice against the more manic and anguished and
> ironic voices).
> 
> Also, and I think this came up on this list about a
> year ago, during a Bay Area radio interview with JK
> it
> was revealed that he had never heard of Joe Frank! 
> 
> --- Robert Holland <rholland356 at yahoo.com> wrote:
> 
> > I enjoy the juxtaposition of views and voices that
> > Kornfield brings to the works. It really enhances
> > the
> > stories, from my point of view.
> > 
> > Listen to Larry telling his manic stories. Larry's
> > playing a modern voice that you just know couldn't
> > fit
> > into Kornfield's ancient view of life. And
> > Kornfield's
> > performance is quite suave and soothing--he's a
> > salesman. With Kornfield as background, Larry
> leaps
> > from the radio.
> > 
> > Instead of us getting 30 minutes of a Larry rant,
> > which could become mundane, by framing Larry with
> > Kornfield, it just makes Larry really come alive.
> It
> > enhances the nuances in Larry's story.
> > 
> > I don't see a spiritual search here on Joe's part.
> > Nobody interacts with Kornfield, or pursues
> Buddhist
> > philosophy during the shows.
> > 
> > Robert
> > 
> > --- Jeff Anton <antonjf at hesiod.org> wrote:
> > 
> > > It took quite a while for me to stop being
> annoyed
> > > by Jack's voice
> > > in Joe's work.  For me, Jack seems like a pale,
> > > monotone and overly
> > > simple version of Alan Watts.  Having heard many
> > of
> > > the recordings
> > > of Alan Watts' lectures, Jack puts me to sleep. 
> > > Alan's talks and
> > > stories seem very much more like Joe's work to
> me.
> > 
> > > I've also thought
> > > that Joe might have run out of his own point of
> > > view.  Joe's early
> > > work was often actors doing some reading with
> Joe
> > as
> > > a kind of
> > > narrator or chorus pointing something out.  When
> > > Jack Kornfield
> > > showed up, I felt that Joe deligated the
> > > narrator/chorus role to
> > > Jack because so much of those shows are Joe and
> > > Frank or Debi on
> > > the phone.
> > > 
> > > Jeff Anton
> > > 
> > > Sally wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > I would absolutely love to hear what
> everyone's
> > > take on Jack  Kornfield 
> > > > is, and what they think Joe's take on him is.
> > > > 
> > > > I initially regarded them ironically, and
> > assumed
> > > Joe was using them  as 
> > > > counterpoint to Debi (who seems after a sense
> of
> > > spiritual  fulfillment) 
> > > > and also sometimes Larry (who seems to
> > > misunderstand  Jack completely). 
> > > > But, now I've actually gotten really into
> them.
> > I 
> > > feel like Joe is 
> > > > using them to condemn Debi and Larry's world
> > view.
> > >  But, then, does Joe 
> > > > subscribe to Jack's philosophies?
> > > > 
> > > > -- 
> > > > What is an oilostatic?
> > > > sally at oilostatic.com
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > >
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