[joe-frank-list] Jack Kornfield

[Tom McDonald]

My initial reaction to Kornfield segments was
practically to roll my eyes and hold my nose. After
not too long, though, I began to like the musicality
of his voice. And then, persuaded to listen, I
realized we was going beyond the simplistic thinking
that I associate with spiritual tourism, and  I
understood that he actually did have some wisdom to
impart. In the end I've collected quite a few of his
audio materials (on the written page his voice doesn't
come through). Because of my gut-level objections to
new age things and self help things, I realize I never
would have tapped into JF were it not for the Joe
Frank wrapping put it around.

I think there's an episode where Larry and Joe talk
about Kornfield, almost in passing. That snippet
tended to confirm what I thought all along (once I
took JK seriously), which is that Joe weaves in the
Kornfield bits because there's a richness there and 
lack of irony. If nothing else, the JK segments work
as a kind of musical or emotional counterpoint (a calm
clear voice against the more manic and anguished and
ironic voices).

Also, and I think this came up on this list about a
year ago, during a Bay Area radio interview with JK it
was revealed that he had never heard of Joe Frank! 

--- Robert Holland <rholland356 at yahoo.com> wrote:

> I enjoy the juxtaposition of views and voices that
> Kornfield brings to the works. It really enhances
> the
> stories, from my point of view.
> 
> Listen to Larry telling his manic stories. Larry's
> playing a modern voice that you just know couldn't
> fit
> into Kornfield's ancient view of life. And
> Kornfield's
> performance is quite suave and soothing--he's a
> salesman. With Kornfield as background, Larry leaps
> from the radio.
> 
> Instead of us getting 30 minutes of a Larry rant,
> which could become mundane, by framing Larry with
> Kornfield, it just makes Larry really come alive. It
> enhances the nuances in Larry's story.
> 
> I don't see a spiritual search here on Joe's part.
> Nobody interacts with Kornfield, or pursues Buddhist
> philosophy during the shows.
> 
> Robert
> 
> --- Jeff Anton <antonjf at hesiod.org> wrote:
> 
> > It took quite a while for me to stop being annoyed
> > by Jack's voice
> > in Joe's work.  For me, Jack seems like a pale,
> > monotone and overly
> > simple version of Alan Watts.  Having heard many
> of
> > the recordings
> > of Alan Watts' lectures, Jack puts me to sleep. 
> > Alan's talks and
> > stories seem very much more like Joe's work to me.
> 
> > I've also thought
> > that Joe might have run out of his own point of
> > view.  Joe's early
> > work was often actors doing some reading with Joe
> as
> > a kind of
> > narrator or chorus pointing something out.  When
> > Jack Kornfield
> > showed up, I felt that Joe deligated the
> > narrator/chorus role to
> > Jack because so much of those shows are Joe and
> > Frank or Debi on
> > the phone.
> > 
> > Jeff Anton
> > 
> > Sally wrote:
> > > 
> > > I would absolutely love to hear what everyone's
> > take on Jack  Kornfield 
> > > is, and what they think Joe's take on him is.
> > > 
> > > I initially regarded them ironically, and
> assumed
> > Joe was using them  as 
> > > counterpoint to Debi (who seems after a sense of
> > spiritual  fulfillment) 
> > > and also sometimes Larry (who seems to
> > misunderstand  Jack completely). 
> > > But, now I've actually gotten really into them.
> I 
> > feel like Joe is 
> > > using them to condemn Debi and Larry's world
> view.
> >  But, then, does Joe 
> > > subscribe to Jack's philosophies?
> > > 
> > > -- 
> > > What is an oilostatic?
> > > sally at oilostatic.com
> > > 
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