[joe-frank-list] J. Kornfield

[Harold Johnson]

Yes, I agree.  In fact, after hearing Kornfield on Joe's shows, I
found myself walking into a new-agey shop in Santa Monica one day. 
(The smell of incense drew me in.)  Browsing the store, I heard
Kornfield's voice in my head; it was crowding out the other voices at
the moment.  (That's a joke, folks.)  So I asked the shopkeeper if she
had any of Jack's audio, and to my surprise she did!

The purchase price was $40 or so for Kornfield's tapes, so I'll stick
to listening to Joe.  Hearing Jack's voice, though, is soothing and
calming and...well, sometimes annoying because you wonder how in the
world someone can maintain that distance from your own reality!  It's
all good within Joe's shows, though.

That said, I'd love to hear Jack's tapes.

Harold

On 5/1/05, John Dooley Cradock <dooley at cradock.net> wrote:
> I dig the Jack Kornfield stuff. I first heard him in these Joe Frank
> programs. After that, I sought out more of his stuff. His voice is
> what gets me. It's so calm, so placid.
> 
> 
> On May 1, 2005, at 6:14 PM, Steve Schneider wrote:
> 
> > This post didnt really concern Kate at all; it concerned J. Kornfield.
> > (Also: this list is for discussing J.F.'s current work only?)  Anyway:
> > love to know anyone's thoughts about those lectures  -- Steve.
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: joe-frank-list-bounces at armory.com
> > [mailto:joe-frank-list-bounces at armory.com] On Behalf Of Harold Johnson
> > Sent: Sunday, May 01, 2005 12:28 PM
> > To: Joe Frank Mailing List
> > Subject: Re: [joe-frank-list] Kate?
> > Importance: Low
> >
> >
> > Do we really need to return to the conversation about "Kate"?  I
> > understand Steve here is just now exploring this subject, and
> > that's his
> > prerogative, but personally I'd rather participate in a discussion
> > about
> > Joe's *current* work.
> >
> > Don't mind me; go ahead and talk about Kate to your heart's
> > content...I
> > know it's a fascinating subject...
> >
> > Harold J.
> >
> > On 5/1/05, Steve Schneider <steve at theavocadopapers.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Well -- I guess I should qualify what I said about my uneasiness
> >> referring to Joe Frank as "Joe": I realize that it's a convention on
> >> lists like these to refer to the subject of the list by his or her
> >> first name, and that that doesn't necessarily imply a familiarity
> >> that
> >>
> >
> >
> >> isn't there.  So I don't mean to suggest that anyone on this list is
> >> doing that.  Maybe it's particularly tricky with a "subject" such as
> >> J.F., since one might be inclined after listening to dozens and
> >> dozens
> >>
> >
> >
> >> of his shows -- and particularly Karma-like shows -- to think that
> >> one
> >>
> >
> >
> >> "knows" him, since the shows are, at least seemingly, so personal in
> >> nature.
> >>
> >> Anyway: Kate: anyone?  No takers?  K, whether there are or not,
> >> here's
> >> another question to ponder, and it doesn't require speculation about
> >> someone's personal life: what do you think is J.F.'s feeling about
> >> Jack Kornfield?  As far as I know -- and I could be wrong -- J.K.'s
> >> first appearance on a J.F. show is in the first Karma program.  I
> >> SWEAR that J.F. put a laugh track over that first appearance (yes,
> >> there is often audience laughter in K's segments, but this was more
> >> overt, and the laughter was at particularly inappropriate moments),
> >> and I proceeded, through a few more Karma shows, to think that J.F.
> >> had included the J.K. "reflections" as an example of a futile
> >> worldview.  But that doesn't seem to be the case at all.
> >>
> >> The only time I've even ever heard J.F. refer to the J.K. segments
> >> was
> >> in an interview: he says something about his shows being "religious"
> >> in the sense that it contrasts the sacred and the profane (note:
> >> that's a paraphrase).  With the sacred represented by Kornfield's
> >> lectures and the profane represented by "normal" people such as J.F.,
> >> Debi Mae West, and L. Block just dealing with life's struggles as
> >> best
> >>
> >
> >
> >> they can.  I have to say, personally, that I find the Kornfield
> >> lectures to be my least favorite parts of the shows in which they
> >> appear; I hesitate, though, to fast-forward through them because the
> >> artist who created these shows put them there and I feel that I
> >> should
> >>
> >
> >
> >> therefore listen to them.  But I find the other stuff -- the phone
> >> calls with L.B., D.M.W., J.F.'s mother, D. Rafkin, and others; the
> >> first-person narrations of the latest Kate drama; the
> >> reminiscences of
> >>
> >
> >
> >> things like the NYC blackout; etc. -- to be much more entertaining,
> >> interesting, enlightening, relevant, etc.
> >>
> >> Would love to know others' thoughts on this topic.  And the Kate
> >> topic. Call me a gossip-monger; I don't think I am being one
> >> (although
> >>
> >
> >
> >> I will admit to a certain amount of gut-level curiosity).
> >>
> >> -- Steve.
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: joe-frank-list-bounces at armory.com
> >> [mailto:joe-frank-list-bounces at armory.com] On Behalf Of Harold
> >> Johnson
> >> Sent: Saturday, April 30, 2005 9:25 PM
> >> To: Joe Frank Mailing List
> >> Subject: Re: [joe-frank-list] Kate?
> >> Importance: Low
> >>
> >> Hi Steve,
> >>
> >> I haven't posted to this group a whole lot either, though I've been
> >> watching it off and on for a few years.  I'm glad to see you've
> >> posted, especially since you seem to have taken the time to post a
> >> well-thought, intelligent and considerate post.
> >>
> >> So here's my thoughts: I don't believe there are any particular rules
> >> here; I would expect the common sense protocols common on many online
> >> forums.  In other words, respect your neighbor, etc.  Though I'd
> >> imagine many of us hold Joe Frank - or at the very least, his art
> >> - at
> >>
> >
> >
> >> high esteem, but I'm not about to say I worship him (yet; though
> >> if he
> >>
> >
> >
> >> starts a religion, I don't know, LOL).
> >>
> >> I find it funny that you say you're not quite comfortable
> >> referring to
> >> him as "Joe" yet; I've often had the same feeling.  When I refer to
> >> him here or on one of my blogs - let's say I'm writing some
> >> commentary
> >>
> >
> >
> >> about storytelling artists or something - I'm inclined to refer to
> >> the
> >>
> >
> >
> >> man by his full name, too.  I believe it's because I don't wish to be
> >> perceived as one of those nutjobs who talks about a
> >> celebrity/artist/whomever as if they *really* know her.  (I'm not
> >> referring to any of you posting to this list - except for you, of
> >> course, Larry Block.  That's a joke,
> >> LOL.)
> >>
> >> Example: Following is a link to some commentary I recently posted in
> >> which I mentioned Joe Frank; you'll, however, that I *crossed the
> >> line* and referred to him by his forename:
> >>
> >> http://www.somethingthathappened.com/2005/04/hi-reed-i-want-to-
> >> express
> >> -t
> >> o-you-how.html
> >>
> >> That's all I have to say for now.  I'm off to watch an episode of
> >> Deadwood I picked up at Goodwill; I hear this show's pretty decent.
> >>
> >> Harold J. Johnson
> >>
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