[joe-frank-list] Re: Joe- started an industry?
babylulu at cybercom.net
Tue Mar 29 16:10:01 PST 2005
Finally I have to chime in,
Bill, you wrote,..
"Nice to be wrong when it means that people are better than I thought....
maybe I need to have my medication adjusted ;-)"
Bill, no need to adjust your meds. In the case of Walker there is no need
to retract; if he tips his hat to Joe Frank it's only because he has to, the
comparison is inescapable. Ben uses the same manner of speaking, the same
phrasing and so on. He's been called on it many times. Walker is a horrible
poser, a user, a parasite and general all around ass.
I did a show at WZBC where he does his show. I knew him- Yuck.
Joe is the genuine article.
BILLMILOSZ at aol.com writes:
> I'm proved wrong again- how nice that both the examples I mentioned in my
> screed both have the good graces to acknowledge their debt to Joe.
> Nice to be wrong when it means that people are better than I thought....
> maybe I need to have my medication adjusted ;-)
> In a message dated 3/29/2005 5:39:51 PM Central Standard Time,
> tewoodruff at yahoo.com writes:
>> the theory of everything guy mentioned his respect for
>> joe in a pitchforkmedia article a little while back.
>> "My hero in radio is the greatest radio artist that
>> ever existed, Joe Frank. I'm barely emerging out of my
>> Joe Frank clone stage," claims Walker. (It is easy to
>> hear the influence, especially in the way they both
>> give the ends of their sentences one last strangle
>> before letting them go.) "[Frank] worked with fiction
>> and exploratory topics...What he did was create a
>> space where you could change the format. In other
>> words, you weren't just doing the same thing every
>> week. 'Here's the A section, the B section'-- he just
>> mixed it up. The formatless format. To me, that's
>> wonderful. I mean, why would you want any other format
>> than that?"
>> --- BILLMILOSZ at aol.com wrote:
>> >Well, I stand corrected - Ira Glass is indeed
>> >acknowledging the influence.
>> >I am getting increasingly cynical in my old age, and
>> >often assume the worst
>> >about people.... it's good to hear that Ira Glass is
>> >of better character than
>> >>Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2005 23:05:21 -0800
>> >From: Harold Johnson <harold.johnson at gmail.com>
>> >To: Joe Frank Mailing List
>> ><joe-frank-list at armory.com>
>> >Subject: Re: [joe-frank-list] Joe- started an
>> >I am completely in accordance with what you're
>> >saying, and many
>> >artists have, in fact, acknowledged Joe Frank's
>> >influence, I wish
>> >they'd do it more often. There's an audio recording
>> >you can listen to
>> >at JoeFrank.com which includes both David Sedaris
>> >and Ira Glass
>> >detailing their admiration for Joe's work; it's
>> >currently at the
>> >following location, on the left of the page:
>> >Scroll down the page to find the link. You can also
>> >find the same
>> >audio on the following page, but you'll have to
>> >scroll down farther:
>> >Harold J. Johnson
>> >On Sun, 27 Mar 2005 01:30:22 EST, BILLMILOSZ at aol.com
>> ><BILLMILOSZ at aol.com> wrote:
>> >>I just heard a radio program called "Theory of
>> >Everything" - a docutainment
>> >>magazine format, interviews and discussion of a
>> >certain topic. But the
>> >>production style had the looped music, not quite
>> >as dark as Joe's, but
>> >>definitely that same production technique
>> >pioneered by Joe of the looped
>> >>music with a certain "feel" forming an audio
>> >counterpoint to the spoken
>> >>part. This is something Ira Glass picked up when
>> >he interned with Joe Frank
>> >>and then built into the very popular PRI /Public
>> >Radio offering "This
>> >>American Life" and now this same technique is
>> >being used in "Theory of
>> >>Everything"- a loop that sets the mood and which
>> >swells up for emphasis when
>> >>there is a pause in the story.
>> >> And while this audio production archetype is now
>> >so pervasive that it might
>> >>seem like it occurred "naturally" or is an
>> >"obvious method"- the truth is
>> >>this is something Joe developed, ha ha, hope he
>> >can collect roylaties from
>> >>these Johnny-come-latelies. Or maybe the Third
>> >Coast people were
>> >>acknowledging this when they gave Joe that
>> >Lifetime Achievement award. (I
>> >>hope that there was a check that came along with
>> >that award, but I bet there
>> >>wasn't. Most people in Public Radio are starving.
>> >The average production
>> >>drudge in an NPR affiliate making documentaries
>> >gets paid minimum wage -or
>> >>less, if the station can get away with paying by
>> >the piece rather than
>> >>hiring staff by the hour.)
>> >> Actually, I WOULD like to hear Ira Glass
>> >acknowledge his debt to Joe. Glass
>> >>tried a lot of different formulas on the radio -
>> >including a self indulgent
>> >>program called The Wild Room which seemingly had
>> >no actual content- before
>> >>he scored with This American Life, a program which
>> >is COMPLETELY beholden to
>> >>Joe for it's "look and feel". Ira has even been
>> >known to use some of the
>> >>exact same music to loop as Joe....
>> >> Don't get me wrong, I like This American Life,
>> >I've heard some interesting
>> >>stuff. I also liked what I heard so far of
>> >Benjamin Walker's "Theory of
>> >>Everything" (except the announcer's stop-and-start
>> >vocal pacing which also
>> >>has kind of breathy whine in it- very annoying)
>> >but these guys owe A LOT to
>> >>Joe and they should acknowledge it.
>> >> Yeah, right- as if some artists is EVER going to
>> >acknowledge that their
>> >>work isn't only about them and their own
>> >incredible genius.....
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