[joe-frank-list] joe-frank-list Digest, Vol 105, Issue 8

[Sean Kelly]

They were there at the same time - Joe was at Dalton from 1965-75 according
to Wikipedia, and Epstein was there 73-75 per a 2002 NYMag profile
https://nymag.com/nymetro/news/people/n_7912/

But you're probably right that the Lothario was another man. Joe says "John
Painter" was the chair of the history dept, that his wife left him when she
learned of his affairs, and that he was eventually killed in a motorcycle
accident, none of which lines up with Epstein.

I figured that when writing fiction based on real people you need to throw
in a few red herrings. That said, in 1975 Epstein would have been a mere 22
years old. Probably not him. (Joe was 37).

On Thu, Dec 10, 2020 at 4:44 PM Tayt J Harlin <tjh219 at nyu.edu> wrote:

> Joe's Wikipedia page states that he taught at Dalton from 1965 to
> 1975. (His Times obituary says only that he taught there for 10
> years.) If this is true, Joe overlapped with Donald Barr, who was the
> headmaster between 1964 and 1974, and the father of attorney general
> William Barr.
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> >    1. Joe's teaching job; music he used (russellbell at gmail.com)
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> > Date: Thu, 10 Dec 2020 07:46:46 -0700
> > From: russellbell at gmail.com
> > Subject: [joe-frank-list] Joe's teaching job; music he used
> > To: joe-frank-list at armory.com
> > Message-ID: <202012101446.0BAEkk6V008259 at randytool.net>
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> >
> >         Quoth Sean Kelly:
> >
> >         'Joe discusses his teaching at a private school in Manhattan
> > in several episodes (including *Cocktails Before Dinner, Pretender,
> > Higher Learning, Journal*, and *Karma Don't Deny Me*).'
> >         It's the same story, though he broke it up in 'Pretender' and
> > added music in the later versions.
> >
> >         'This was the Dalton School'
> >         Yes.
> >
> >         'Joe taught there at the same time as one Jeffrey Epstein.'
> >         Do you have data?  I thought we determined elsewhere that they
> > were disjoint.
> >
> >         'I think it's very likely that the womanizing teacher Joe
> > discusses in *Cocktails Before Dinner *is Epstein.'
> >         Except it was the dean and he went after faculty wives; when
> > he finally did it with a student once they kicked him out.  The story
> > on Epstein was that he only did it with children.
> >
> >         'Either that or the Dalton school had multiple sexual
> > predators employed at that time...'
> >         The latter: guys got away with this 50-60 years ago, as
> > regrettable as it was.
> >
> >         'You can add *Karma Don't Deny Me *to the list of shows the
> > track Invernin is used in.'
> >         Already done.  I think it's in many of his shows.
> >
> >         'Nice! How on earth did you find it? [That Joe used 'Black
> > Coffee' in some of his shows].
> >         I asked on reddit.  u/eatmaggot knew.  It takes a sharp ear,
> > because the nature of the song doesn't match that few seconds of
> > intro.
> >
> > russell bell
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