[joe-frank-list] Kate?

Sun May 1 00:11:38 PDT 2005

A discussion about this did come up a couple years back on this list.  I'll attach a copy of the thread below.  (There are occasionally advantages to never deleting an email message.)  Since it was all posted to a public list, I don't see any reason not to re-post it.

None of the ideas put forward so far are terribly convincing.  Zeta Jones seems plausible, but the short, fat Vietnamese woman seems just as likely to me.  If it is Zeta Jones, I'm sure it will find its way into a biography one day.  

As far as the timeline goes, it's tough to be sure of dates.  There are certainly references to things happening in the present tense, however it isn't clear that all of that material was recorded in 1999.  One can't be sure, but it seems unlikely to me that any of it pre-dates the end of Somewhere Out There in mid 1997.  The karma series ran from April to October 2000.  We can probably assume most of it happened somewhere in that three year period.

I'm so bad at remembering names and so disinterested in most celebrity news that the chances of me guessing the answer are pretty small.  But I'll certainly be interested if anyone comes up with a good fit.

- Erik

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From: Geekgodis at aol.com
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Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2002 20:24:03 EST
Subject: [joe-frank-list] Real people?

The programs about a guy breaking-up with Kate, are now being aired in my 
area, NYC. This is the first time that I don't like either of the characters. 
I wouldn't want to be around them. Just think that they're shallow and self 
absorbed, and I don't think Joe meant people to feel that way about them. 
Still, it bothers me to hear how conflicted, frustrated and sad they both 
feel about the end of the relationship. Eric called it "biographical"; is it 
really about Joe Frank and Kate?
Annetté 
(this accent should give me some class)

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From: "The Apollo God" <theapollogod at earthlink.net>
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As far as I know the Kate era, mostly the Karma series, is actually quite
biographical.  Somewhere Joe speaks of this and how he still cares for Kate.
Any ideas on who Kate is?  If the show is true, she is an actress from Wales
who landed a role in a police drama.  You guys tell me who you think she is
and then I'll tell you who I think she is.

Apollo

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Date: Sat, 23 Nov 2002 19:51:51 -0500
From: David Gutierrez <dave at 3113.com>
Subject: Re: [joe-frank-list] Real people?
To: joe-frank-list at dcms.com

>Any ideas on who Kate is?  If the show is true, she is an actress from Wales
>who landed a role in a police drama.  You guys tell me who you think she is
>and then I'll tell you who I think she is.
>  
>
I have no ideas, but I've always wanted to know. Does anyone have ideas?

Dave

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Date: Sat, 23 Nov 2002 17:46:20 -0800 (PST)
From: tewoodruff <tewoodruff at yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [joe-frank-list] Real people?
To: daveg at post1.com, joe-frank-list at dcms.com
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It's a longshot but...

Catherine Zeta-Jones is from Wales and moved to L.A.
in her twenties to further her acting career.

Of course she's a little young, but... is Joe any
older than Michael Douglas?

If she isn't Kate, maybe she's the young girl that
fixed his pajamas. heh, heh...

T-Wo

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Date: Sun, 24 Nov 2002 10:29:31 -0500
From: Parker70400 at aol.com
To: tewoodruff at yahoo.com, daveg at post1.com, joe-frank-list at dcms.com
Subject: Re: [joe-frank-list] Real people?

For some reason, I always thought it might be Cate Blanchette...

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From: "The Apollo God" <theapollogod at earthlink.net>
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Date: Sun, 24 Nov 2002 18:18:06 -0800

I think you're right about Zeta-Jones.  That's who I always thought it was.
Also, Joe Frank was in "The Game," starring Michael Douglas.  Another thing,
Larry Block played a doorman in "Don't Say A Word."  So you've got Joe and
Larry in Michael Douglas movies.  There's got to be some connection.  I
think Joe is Michael's friend or something.  So Catherine Zeta-Jones fits
the profile and there's that connection with Michael Douglas and Joe Frank.
But that's me, I could be wrong, maybe it's a terrible tragedy.

Apollo

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Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2002 06:03:48 -0500
From: David Gutierrez <daveg at post1.com>
Subject: Re: [joe-frank-list] Real people?
To: joe-frank-list at dcms.com
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Just two things I'd like to bring up in response to this:

1) What is the police drama? Here is her filmography: 
http://us.imdb.com/Name?Zeta-Jones,+Catherine -- I can't quite figure it 
out.

2) Wasn't Zeta-Jones already famous by '98/'99, when the Karma series 
aired? In the show, Joe mentions that she is getting paid something like 
$200,000 for her role in this police drama. That seems amazingly low for 
her if she was already famous by that time.

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Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2002 06:22:49 -0800 (PST)
From: tewoodruff <tewoodruff at yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [joe-frank-list] Real people?
To: David Gutierrez <daveg at post1.com>, joe-frank-list at dcms.com

Good question.
Anyway, a Maxim magazine interview in '98 said she was
dating "a novelist." Not totally inconsistent,
assuming she didn't want to elaborate on the subject.

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From: "Alexander Antoniades" <sander at antoniades.com>
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Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2002 14:07:46 -0500

Anyone looking for Kate's identity should keep in mind that according to the
Karma show where Joe ruminates on Kate's new lovers, he says that the
screenwriter in his early thirties would be ten years younger than Kate.
This makes her an aspiring starlet in her early 40s. Plus I'd like to think
that Joe would have better taste than to date a cell-phone-hawking-no-talent
like the current Mrs. Douglas, but that's a person preferance.

I think you have to take a grain of salt when trying to decipher what's real
and what's not in Joe's work. While I'm sure there's a lot of truth in the
Karma series, there are no doubt fanciful elements as well.

It's much safer to try and speculate who was the "well known" actress that
Larry Block had an affair with in the 70s. Was it Blair Brown or Linda
Lavin?

Sander

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1) I think the police drama was Entrapment.  Some may say that it was =
not a police drama.  Well, I would say there is some room for =
embellishment.  She was, according to Joe Frank, paid over $400,000. =20

2) The timeline could of course be skewed.  Also, for all we know, the =
Karma series could have been recollections of a past relationship.  We =
don't know if he put together each episode about Kate as the events =
transpired.  Even if he made mention to working on this "very program =
that you're listening to," this is still part of the script.

3) I would like to note that nobody is saying that Zeta-Jones is Kate.  =
I'm simply saying I think it's interesting to look at some of the =
similarities.  Kate may not exist.  If she does, her name may not be =
Kate.  The Michael Douglas connection could be complete coincidence.  I =
did say I could be wrong.

Apollo