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> 1. RE: After Hours (Eric Pierce)
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> 3. Re: After Hours (Levent)
> 4. Re: After Hours (Larry Dunn)
> 5. Re: After Hours (Peisithanatos at aol.com)
> 6. Fish Burglars??? (Peisithanatos at aol.com)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2005 19:06:41 -0400
> From: "Eric Pierce" <epierce at rcn.com>
> Subject: RE: [joe-frank-list] After Hours
> To: "Joe Frank Mailing List" <joe-frank-list at armory.com>
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> Harold, all,
>
> I have my doubts about this Joseph Minion = Joe Frank theory.
>
>> From what I can tell Joseph Minion made an appearance at the Nantucket
>> Film
> Festival in June 1999 with the showing of the film "On the Run" that he
> is
> credited with screenwriting. Here's an interesting quote from an
> article I
> found online.
>
> "However, there were some hard lessons to learn from many of the other
> screenwriters in attendance. Though most writers answered audience
> questions
> after the screenings of their films, one in particular, Joseph Minion
> (On
> the Run) had relatively little to offer. Minion wrote the screenplay at
> the
> request of the director, and he had little to no involvement in the
> production, as is most often the case in modern feature filmmaking. And
> perhaps unknowingly, Minion did provide the audience with the cold hard
> truth that the screenwriter's role and responsibility in the filmmaking
> effort is often minimal at best." -- Excerpt from
> http://www.insidefilm.com/nantucket.html
>
> Also, IMDB has Joeseph Minion listed as being born in 1957. Joe Frank
> is
> quite a bit older than that.
>
> - Eric
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: joe-frank-list-bounces at armory.com
>> [mailto:joe-frank-list-bounces at armory.com]On Behalf Of Harold Johnson
>> Sent: Friday, July 29, 2005 2:19 PM
>> To: Joe Frank Mailing List
>> Subject: Re: [joe-frank-list] After Hours
>>
>>
>> So (and my apologies if anyone else has already asked this question),
>> is Joseph Minion A.K.A. Joe Frank?
>>
>> Harold J. Johnson
>> http://somethingthathappened.com
>>
>> On 7/23/05, bewareofdog at mac.com <bewareofdog at mac.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> Alright, I'm probably in the dark, so to speak when it comes to this
>>> one... but the screenwriter on the 1985 Scorsese flick "After Hours"
>>> is credited to one Joseph Minion...
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> Message: 2
> Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2005 19:15:46 EDT
> From: Peisithanatos at aol.com
> Subject: Re: [joe-frank-list] After Hours
> To: joe-frank-list at armory.com
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> Joseph Minion is not Joe Frank....
>
> Just as Catherine Zeta Jones is not Kate....
>
> Our imaginations are simply overactive, that's all; we discover a
> perplexing
> enigma of sorts, and our brains scramble to rationalize it in some
> seemingly
> logical way (which, 9 times out of 10, leads us to concocting all sorts
> of
> ridiculous scenarios). We need to let go of that compulsion and enjoy
> works of
> art for what they are without scrambling so desperately to
> rationalize/solve
> ever little detail/puzzle surrounding them. Scholars are still
> debating over who
> wrote the works of Shakespeare (Edward De Vere? Francis Bacon?
> Christopher
> Marlowe? Mary Sidney Herbert? A combination of the four???), whether
> F'Ugly
> Th3 Klown is, in fact Andy Kaufman (who faked his death, don't you
> know?) or a
> collection of other comedians & hotshot hollywood actors working in
> cahoots,
> whether Thomas Pynchon is actually Wanda Tinasky who is actually J.D.
> Salinger
> who was, actually, a former CIA agent before he passed away & was
> replaced by
> a new literary figure (J.D. Salinger Deux) enshrouded with mystery,
> etc....
>
> All I'm saying is, you can speculate & debate & rack your brains &
> ponder
> away about all of these things 'till the cows come home... but there
> many ways in
> which you could idle away your time far more productively.
>
> In my mind, Joe (Frank, that is!) has already explained this whole
> situation
> in great detail, and, until he steps forward to change his tune, I have
> no
> reason to doubt that everything he said about this entire ordeal is
> pure truth.
>
> This is Joe Frank we're talking about here. As much as people like to
> play
> up the surreal/absurd aspects of the man's canon, his work is also
> unflinchingly truthful & autobiographical.
>
> A few more things to consider: 1.) Joe Frank is nearly 20 years older
> than
> Joseph Minion (according to the IMDB, which lists Minion's birthyear as
> 1957).
> Of course, I'm sure some of you will come forth to say, "No! When Joe
> Frank
> devised the alter-ego of "Joseph Minion" he also concoted a fake birth
> certificate & birth-year, so as to fool even the most clever of curious
> cats!" (if you
> wanna believe that, more power to ya!). 2.) Usually people use a
> pseudonym if
> either they're not proud of a particular work or simply don't want it
> to be
> associated with their real name. Joe (Frank!), however, has not only
> proudly
> used the material that Minion lifted to write "After Hours" -- in his
> original
> program, "Lies" -- but has also called Minion out on his literary theft
> (not
> by name, of course) & discussed the entire situation in "No Show"
> (which I
> still have, on cassette, in its entirety).
>
> But I guess the debate shall continue to bubble on until somebody (Joe
> Frank
> Team? Larry Block [whose appearance in this film is really what's been
> fuelling the notion that Joseph Minion might, in fact, be Joe Frank]?)
> steps forward
> to shed more light on this issue.....
> Hegesias
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> Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2005 18:00:18 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Levent <ghastly_fop at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [joe-frank-list] After Hours
> To: Joe Frank Mailing List <joe-frank-list at armory.com>
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> I'm with you. A bit of cursory googling reveals that
> Joe Minion really is just a middling screenwriter (and
> current film instructor?) I just find it breathtaking
> that the "After Hours" experience didn't find him
> permanently blacklisted in the film industry.
> It's just too bad (and good for Minion, I guess) that
> more people don't know about it. What a weasel.
>
>
> --- Peisithanatos at aol.com wrote:
>
>> Joseph Minion is not Joe Frank....
>>
>> Just as Catherine Zeta Jones is not Kate....
>>
>> Our imaginations are simply overactive, that's all;
>> we discover a perplexing
>> enigma of sorts, and our brains scramble to
>> rationalize it in some seemingly
>> logical way (which, 9 times out of 10, leads us to
>> concocting all sorts of
>> ridiculous scenarios). We need to let go of that
>> compulsion and enjoy works of
>> art for what they are without scrambling so
>> desperately to rationalize/solve
>> ever little detail/puzzle surrounding them.
>> Scholars are still debating over who
>> wrote the works of Shakespeare (Edward De Vere?
>> Francis Bacon? Christopher
>> Marlowe? Mary Sidney Herbert? A combination of the
>> four???), whether F'Ugly
>> Th3 Klown is, in fact Andy Kaufman (who faked his
>> death, don't you know?) or a
>> collection of other comedians & hotshot hollywood
>> actors working in cahoots,
>> whether Thomas Pynchon is actually Wanda Tinasky who
>> is actually J.D. Salinger
>> who was, actually, a former CIA agent before he
>> passed away & was replaced by
>> a new literary figure (J.D. Salinger Deux)
>> enshrouded with mystery, etc....
>>
>> All I'm saying is, you can speculate & debate & rack
>> your brains & ponder
>> away about all of these things 'till the cows come
>> home... but there many ways in
>> which you could idle away your time far more
>> productively.
>>
>> In my mind, Joe (Frank, that is!) has already
>> explained this whole situation
>> in great detail, and, until he steps forward to
>> change his tune, I have no
>> reason to doubt that everything he said about this
>> entire ordeal is pure truth.
>>
>> This is Joe Frank we're talking about here. As much
>> as people like to play
>> up the surreal/absurd aspects of the man's canon,
>> his work is also
>> unflinchingly truthful & autobiographical.
>>
>> A few more things to consider: 1.) Joe Frank is
>> nearly 20 years older than
>> Joseph Minion (according to the IMDB, which lists
>> Minion's birthyear as 1957).
>> Of course, I'm sure some of you will come forth to
>> say, "No! When Joe Frank
>> devised the alter-ego of "Joseph Minion" he also
>> concoted a fake birth
>> certificate & birth-year, so as to fool even the
>> most clever of curious cats!" (if you
>> wanna believe that, more power to ya!). 2.) Usually
>> people use a pseudonym if
>> either they're not proud of a particular work or
>> simply don't want it to be
>> associated with their real name. Joe (Frank!),
>> however, has not only proudly
>> used the material that Minion lifted to write "After
>> Hours" -- in his original
>> program, "Lies" -- but has also called Minion out on
>> his literary theft (not
>> by name, of course) & discussed the entire situation
>> in "No Show" (which I
>> still have, on cassette, in its entirety).
>>
>> But I guess the debate shall continue to bubble on
>> until somebody (Joe Frank
>> Team? Larry Block [whose appearance in this film is
>> really what's been
>> fuelling the notion that Joseph Minion might, in
>> fact, be Joe Frank]?) steps forward
>> to shed more light on this issue.....
>> Hegesias
>>> _______________________________________________
>> Joe Frank Mailing List
>> joe-frank-list at armory.com
>>
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> Message: 4
> Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2005 18:34:28 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Larry Dunn <majestic_cheese at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [joe-frank-list] After Hours
> To: joe-frank-list at armory.com
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> From: Harold Johnson <harold.johnson at gmail.com>
>
>> Yes, but perhaps that's nonsense - perhaps he never
>> actually sued
>> anyone. Perhaps it was simply a narrative, part of
>> Joe's insatiable
>> desire to reveal his alter ego, a screenwriter whose
>> name is derived
>> from both the Judaist sense of "minion" and the more
>> commonly-known
>> sense of the term...
>
> Joseph Minion has written *five* films, and *directed*
> two others.
>
> I put it to you that it's just a bit of a stretch to
> believe that Joe Frank has played word games with an
> ongoing Hollywood career for "Judaist" purposes,
> n'est-ce pas? And to add to the drama, somehow
> concocted a law suit as some sort of performance art.
>
> Isn't it also a bit of a stretch to think that in LA
> -- where Joe Frank had a renowned radio show, and
> Joseph Minion writes and directs -- it wouldn't be
> widely known that JF is working in Hollywood,
> flamboyantly masquerading as "Joseph Minion?"
>
>
>
> ____________________________________________________
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>
>
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>
> Message: 5
> Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2005 05:40:38 EDT
> From: Peisithanatos at aol.com
> Subject: Re: [joe-frank-list] After Hours
> To: joe-frank-list at armory.com
> Message-ID: <c1.5d5bfeb8.301f4816 at aol.com>
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> Will the real "Joseph Minion" please stand up?
>
>
> http://www.indiewire.com/people/int_Minion_Joseph_980921.html
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> Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2005 05:48:09 EDT
> From: Peisithanatos at aol.com
> Subject: [joe-frank-list] Fish Burglars???
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> Awww! This is such a great photograph! Has anybody seen this film?
>
> http://www.fishburglars.com/joe_pop.html
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