[joe-frank-list] Re: make Joe's radio public

Dave Dyer ddyer at real-me.net
Sat Oct 30 01:00:58 PDT 2004

Joe's work was all public, or at leat 95% of if was, due to the
dilligent efforts of his fans, who collected, stored, and supplied
bandwidth to distribute it.  All at no cost (and no income) to 
Joe.  But it did keep the flame alive, and the sometimes inferior
technical quality and/or censored for airplay versions served to
tease fans into buying real copies on CD.

Lets be charitable and say that Joe is in a dry spell in his
creative career, and is trying various means to cash in
on his glory days, when he had an audience of millions.

His live performances are great (so I've read here) but play
to those who remember his radio work.  This subscription
plan is another way to extract a little more cash from his
ageing fan base.  I don't see either of these things as
career advancing moves.  Sadly, I fear his remarks upon
receiving the lifetime achievement 

I have no idea if joefrank.com is being created by well paid
professionals or another cadre of devoted fans, but I can't
imagine that this subscription plan will generate enough income
to justify a realistic account of the expenses involved.

 At 12:39 AM 10/30/2004, BILLMILOSZ at aol.com wrote:
>In a message dated 10/30/2004 1:32:50 AM Central Daylight Time, bobl at 1amsoftware.com writes:
>>a way to show support for his continued work. 
>I think this is a critical thing here.  We, fans or devotees or acolytes or just interested listeners, want more, new Joe Frank programs.  How can we get them?  Well, JoeFrank.Com is trying out the idea of SUBSCRIPTION. If there are enough paid "members" of JoeFrank.com  then there's enough money to pay to do more material.  One program a month is a good pace, I think, I am satisfied with that.  Like a magazine.  And as someone who did radio production for 13 years, I don't know how Joe Frank kept the high quality standards and still produced a new show every week back in "The Day" - that kind of pace would really burn anyone out.  (Actually I think the intensity of it also yielded some interesting results- the effect of that punishing production regime on Joe's work and perhaps on the man himself is interesting to see. But it couldn't go on forever like that.)
>So, with subscription we have a model of a way to have new Joe Frank material, and he has a way to sustain himself and the work.  But can it work? There's a break-even number of subscribers they have to attain.  And the costs of hosting streaming media are quite high, so I would think they'd need A LOT of subscribers.
>So that means: in order to ensure the success of this, and make sure we can follow the work of this fascinating artist along the journey he's on, we would ALL be well advised to subscribe.  If you can afford it, I strongly urge everyone on this discussion list to subscribe to JoeFrank.Com - you know, if you have to, drop your subscription to American Chiropodist, or maybe stop sponsoring those children in Guatemala, but find the $12.99 a month.  I found I could water down my father's insulin a little and come up with $12.99 a month.  It's really not that much money. 
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