[joe-frank-list] Yet another format discussion

mjp joefrank at smog.net
Wed Jun 11 02:32:48 PDT 2003

i think Joe should release all of his shows in the test pressing format on 
fragile acetate LPs...for maximum sound quality. sure, they will wear out 
after about 10 plays, but that will just make you cherish each listen more. 
the unparalleled sonic experience will make you come in your Fred Segal 

i must say, this debate on the merits of different digital encoding schemes 
has me on the edge of my seat. i can't wait for the logical follow up - the 
gripping discussion of mac vs. pc. woo, baby! the fur is gonna fly!

yer pal,

At 06:35 PM 6/10/2003 -0400, you wrote:
> >>Horribleness is not a function of MP3 encoding, _per se_.
>It absolutely is.
> >>Many of the JF MP3s in circulation were ripped from cassette and
> >>encoded poorly.  The format itself is not to blame.
>There is nothing inherently wrong with ripping from cassette. The poor 
>quality recordings were not suffering from tape hiss or any other obvious 
>cassette induced analog problem. They were clearly suffering from 
>"digititis". Anyone who has ever listened to very low bitrate compressed 
>voice recordiings will probably know what I mean. Just before speech 
>starts to become completely  unintelligible, a robotic effect occurs. 
>Transcoding is likely to produce a similar effect. I suspect that the 
>worst MP3 files were a result of transcoding from a real audio stream to a 
>relatively low bitrate MP3.
>Also, if you could describe an effective method of "encoding poorly" I 
>would be grateful. Although I can use both Lame and Fraunhofer MP3 
>encoders to encode at virtually any bitrate, I don't currently know of any 
>method, short of writing my own encoder, to "badly" encode an MP3 file.
> >>Hmmm, takes about 90% less time to burn the same number of shows,
> >>uses 90% less plastic, costs a lot less to mail?  Shall I go on?
>While I suppose it does take less time to burn a CD-R, I do not believe 
>that the plastic costs or mailing costs would change in any significant 
>way. CD-Rs can often be purchased at 10 cents or less per disc, especially 
>in large quanitities. Have we even established that he is using CD-Rs and 
>not sending out pressed CDs? The weight and size difference between 1 CD 
>and 10 CDs is negligable, although, admittedly the weight and size of the 
>jewel cases does certainly increase. He charges extra for shipping in any 
>case, so it is not likely that it is included in his pricing calculations.
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