Synenteuxh me ton Moustafa Moustafa, Bouleyths Sinaspismou.

H synenteyjh do9hke sthn Marianna Polyxroniadou stin Augi.

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Giati to synithes erwthma, poy teinoyn na toy apeythynoyn apantes kai enteythen kai ekeithen, <Eiste Ellhnas h Toyrkos>,
moiazei me dhlwsh nomimofrwsynhs gia kapoion pou agwnisthke kai stis dyo patrides toy gia ta idanika ths aristeras kai ths allhleggyhs twn lawn. Idanika poy o idios ws aristeros ta yphrethse, plhrwnontas kai to analogo timhma sthn Ellada, oso kai sthn Toyrkia. Sthn Toyrkia gia thn agwnistikh toy drash ws foithths sthn Iatrikh Sxolh toy Pan/mioy Kwnstantinoupolhs toy afairethhke gia ena xrono h adeia eisodoy sth xwra, enw sthn Ellada opou epestrepse meta thn apofoithsh toy prokeimenoy na yphrethsei th stratiwtikh toy thiteia xreiasthke polymhnoys agwnes mexris wtoy kataferei mazi me alloys episthmones thn anagnwrish ths isotimias twn ptyxiwn toys apo to DIKATSA. Apo to 74 organwmenos sthn KNE kai ypopshfios bouleyths toy KKE to 1981, prosxwrhse sto Synaspismo to 1989 kai ektote htan ypopshfios bouleyths, toso sto nomo Rodophs (1989-90) oso kai sto Epikrateias (1993). Stis ekoges toy 96 eklexthke gia prwth fora bouleyths me to pshfodeltio toy Synaspismoy.
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Giati apofasisate na asxolhtheite me thn politikh?

Pistevw oti o anthrwpos einai politiko on poy prepei na endiaferetaigia ta koina. Idiaiterws sthn epoxh mas, mia epoxh ejatomikeyshs, henasxolhsh me ta koina den eterokathorizetai alla aytoepiballetai.

Thewreite th boyleytikh sas idiothta ws aporroia ths mexri shmera politikhs sas drashs?

Oxi mono ths politikhs mou drashs alla kai ths politistikhs kai ths koinwninkhs. Den eimai karieristas ths politikhs, gi ayto kai
den jexwrizw to politiko apo to koinwniko kai apo to politistiko gignesthai. Entagmenos apo to 74 sthn Aristera, dietelesa dyo fores antiproedros kai dyo fores proedros antistoixws toy syllogoy episthmonwn ths meiononthtas. Symmeteixa sto foithtiko kinhma. Phra meros se olous toys mikroys kai megaloys agwnes sthn perioxh kai sth xwra mas. Den kryfthka pote, panta hmoun energos poliths.

Eseis pws aytoprosdiorizeste entos kai ektos Koinoboylioy?

Ws boyleyths toy Synaspismoy, poy eklexthka apo to lao ths Rodophs anejarthtws fylhs kai ratsas. Giati ektos apo toys
moysoylmanoys sympatriwtes moy, poy me timhsan me th pshfo toys, me pshfisan kai arketoi xristianoi, sygkritika panta me to pososto poy pshfizei Synaspismo sth dikh mas perioxh. Aytoi oi anthrwpoi poy me ejelejan, me pshfisan gia tis idees mou, giati o kosmos ths Rodophs me anagnwrizei ws aristero, kai oxi ws moysoylmano h xristiano..

Poio oi stoxoi pros epiteyjh gia to diasthma ths tetraetoys thiteias sas?

Prwta apola na prytaneysei h logikh sthn perioxh kai h eirhnikh synyparjh, h allhlokatanohsh kai o allhlosebasmos sth diaforetikothta toy kathenos, poy exei sxesh me thn katagwgh kai th 9rhskeia toy. Deyteron, na mpei h Thrakh se mia anaptyjiakh poreia, kati gia to opoio exoyme akoysei polles yposxeseis, xwris sthn oysia na doyme kai polla xeiropiasta paradeigmata. Triton, h epilysh orismenwn aithmatwn ths meiwnothtas, ta opoia einai xronia kai wrima pleon pros epilysh.

Se sxesh me to parelthon exei yparjei proodos sta problhmata ths meionothtas kai poia einai ayta ta opoia kata th gnwmh sas xreizoyn ameshs epilyshs?

H arsh orismenwn dioikhtikwn metrwn poy efarmozontan epi xronia (p.x. agora ghs, agora akinhtoy, adeia trakter) den epilyei apo monh ths ta problhmata pou antimetwpizei h meionothta kai den airoyn to klima kaxypopsias poy exei kalliergh9ei tosa xronia. Sygkekrimena prepei na rythmistoyn ta diafora thesmika kataloipa. Gia paradeigma to arthro 19 toy kwdika ellhnikhs ithageneias. Enw epishmws h meionothta xarakthrizetai ws mousoulmanikh, ta melh ths xanoun thn ellhnikh yphkoothta ws alloethneis, dhladh ws Toyrkoi. Problhmata opws twn thriskeytikwn hgetwn kai ths bakoyfikhs perioysias, poy
paramenoyn alyta kai apoteloyn kathe toso shmeio tribhs, tha mporoysan na epilythoyn aneta me enan eilikrinh dialogo anamesa sth meionothta kai thn politieia. Oi ypotheseis ths meionothtas akomh paramenoyn sth diakaiodosia twn grafeiwn politistikwn sxesewn, poy einai ypallhloi toy YPEJ kai aytoi oi anthrwpoi paramenoyn stis theseis toys apo th metapoliteysh kai enteythen, xwris na exoyn ephrreastei apo tis allages twn ekastote kybernhsewn, enw ayta einai zhthmata dhmokratikwn diadikasiwn. Epitaktikh einai h anagkh gia mia sygxronh antilhpsh gia thn paideiasto xwro ths meionothtas, poy kai thn ekmathish ths mhtrikhs glwssas tha ejasfalizei alla parallhla tha ejasfalizei kai thn ekmathish ths epishmhs glwssas ths xwras me ena ypshlo epipedo ekpaideyshs. Sta themata ths paideias tha prepei na katablhthei megalh prospatheia kai apo th meria ths politeias kai apo th meria ths meionothtas, prokeimenoy na yparjoyn anazhthseis kai na ajiopoihthoyn oi empeiries twn aneptygmenwn xwrwn. Ayto tha epiteyxthei kai me th dhmioyrgia tomwn, toso ston tomea twn didaskontwn, oso kai ston tomea ths ylhs alla kai ths ylikotexnikhs ypodomhs. Telos tha prepei na yparjei sthn perioxh mas mia ayjhmenh eyaisthisia se themata katapolemhshs ratsismoy kai jenofobias, me thn kalliergeia twn idewdwn mias polypolitismikhs koinwnias.

Eiste ypeyfthinos toy Synaspismou se themata gewrgias. Th bdomada pou mas perase katathesate epikairh erwthsh sth Boylh sto thema toy bambakos.H kalliergeia bambakos enw einai mia dynamikh kalliergeia oxi mono gia thn perioxh ths Thrakhs alla gia oloklhrh th xwra, oi politikes poy efarmosthkan me toys astoxoys xeirismoys sto plaisio ths EOK, metetrepsan to <leyko xryso> se <mavro braxna> gia ton agrotiko kosmo. Bebaia kai apo tis programmatikes dhlwseis fanhke oti arketa zhthmata einai se parallhlh poreia me ayth thn katastash.

Gia thn epilysh twn problhmatwn ths meionothtas tha epidiwjete kat arxhn mia syenrgasia me toys moysoylmanoys boyleytes ths perioxhs? O Synaspismos ws dynamh eythynhs, ws dhmokratikh aristeraexei tis theseis toy gi ayta ta problhmata. Epehergazetai tis theseis aytes, anazhtei sygxrones dhmokratikes lyseis. Einai se anoixth epikoinwnia me olh thn koinwnia. Se ayto to plaisio tha epidiwjoume th synenaish olwn twn boyleytwn olwn twn kommatwn, tha apeythinthoyme se oloys toys exefrones polites poy endiaferontai gia thn eirhnikh epilysh twn roblhmatwn ths perioxhs, se oloys osoi theloyn na symballoyn sth dhmioyrgia enos thetikoy klimatos sth Thrakh gia oloys toys katoikoys, anejarthtws katagwghs kai thrhskeymatos.

Mia kai anaferthikate sth synergasia xristianwn kai moysoylmanwn sthn perioxh ths Thrakhs, ithela thn apopsh sas gia thn ejarsh toy islamikoy fontamentalismoy se xwres opoy kata kyrio logo moysoylmanoi, opws sthn Algeria, thn AIgypto h th geitonikh mas Toyrkia prosfatws. Pisteyete oti tetoia kinhmata einai katefthinomena kai poio oi logoi ejarshs?

Bebaiws den nomizw oti yparxei shmera adesmeyto kinhma kai paromoia kinhmata einai gnwsto oti katefthinontai apo kentra elegxoy. Opws epishs pisteyw oti oi fanatikoi islamistes to mono kindyno poy mporoyn na prokalesoyn einai oysiastika stoys idioys toys laoys toys kai anametajy toys. H ejarsh tetoiwn fainomenwn einai ena problhma me batheies koinwnikes rize kai tha brei th lysh toy me thn ejelijh twn dhmokratikwn thesmwn se aytes tis xwres kai me th beltiwsh toy epipedoy zwhs.

To idio pisteyete kai gia thn Toyrkia, opoy ektos twn allwn h parabiash twn anthrwpinwn dikaiwmatwn -kai anaferomai
oxi mono stis meionothtes alla kai stoys toyrkoys politika antifronoyntes polites- apotelei synhthes fainomeno?

Pisteyw oti o ellhnikos laos poy exei dokimastei sto parelthon apo megala problhmata elleimatos dhmokratias (emfylios, diktatoria) katanoei ayta poy symbainoyn sthn Toyrkia. Kai prepei na yparxei ena eilikrines endiaferon kai mia eilikrinhs boitheia apo thn pleyra toy ellhnikoy laoy sto plaisio twn arxwn ths diethnistikhs allyleggyhs, wste kai h Toyrkia na mpei se ena dromo ekdhmokratismoy, poy tha bohthisei sth statherothta sthn perioxh kai tha exei thetikh ejelijh kai stis sxeseis ths me tis geitonikes xwres.

To bathema ths dhmokratias sthn Toyrkia tha bohthisei dhladh kai sthn ejomalynsh twn sxesewn ths me thn Ellada?

Bebaiws. Gi ayto xreiazetai opws eipa kai h eilikrinhs diethnistikh allhleggyh sto lao ths Toyrkias. Pisteyw oti einai lathos politikh antilhpsh ayth poy kalliergeitai apo orismenoys kykloys, oti <o exthros toy exthroy moy einai dikos moy filos>. Gia mena swsth politikh antilhpsh einai pws oi dyo laoi, poy sthn oysia den toys xwrizei tipota, tha papsoyn na kalliergoyn esties metaksy toys entashs kai ojynshs kai ant aytoy tha dhmioyrghsoyn gefyres filias kai synergasias.

Auti h sunentyjh einai ap'tin lista 'aristera' - ( 26 Oct 1996), ARISTERA@cs.mcgill.ca