<div style="color:black;font: 10pt Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;">Having been a producer at a public radio station for many years, it was my understanding that there was a "blanket" contract for the use of any material that was licensed under ASCAP, BMI or the other common music and content licensing institutions which allowed free use of all materials on public air, with no requirement for individual stations to keep track of what was played or for the station to pay any royalties.
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<div>Joe Frank's radio shows would have been covered by this agreement hence he did not need to seek permission to use recorded material.</div>
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<div>It is my understanding, however, that distributing his work by any other means - Internet to non-paying or paying listeners, live shows, recordings sold or distributed free to the public - he WOULD have had to make arrangements for use of this material, which might require payment. This requirement would not have ended with his death.</div>
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<div>SEE https://www.cpb.org/musicrights/about</div>
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<div style="font-family:arial,helvetica;font-size:10pt;color:black">-----Original Message-----<br>
From: russellbell@gmail.com<br>
To: joe-frank-list@armory.com<br>
Sent: Mon, Sep 21, 2020 6:36 am<br>
Subject: [joe-frank-list] Joe's use of others' materials<br>
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<div dir="ltr"> Quoth LD <<a ymailto="mailto:majestic_cheese@yahoo.com" href="mailto:majestic_cheese@yahoo.com">majestic_cheese@yahoo.com</a>>:<br>
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<div dir="ltr"> 'Frankly, who cares?'<br>
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<div dir="ltr"> Those who asked.<br>
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<div dir="ltr"> 'That's not really the audience's issue.'<br>
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<div dir="ltr"> An audience has no right to demand but every right to ask.<br>
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<div dir="ltr"> 'Joe may well have had, and probably did have, perfect right<br>
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<div dir="ltr">to use the excerpts without Kornfield himself knowing about it, any<br>
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<div dir="ltr">more than a musician would necessarily be aware that a given radio<br>
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<div dir="ltr">station or broadcast was using his or her music, per some right.'<br>
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<div dir="ltr"> Owners of copyrights who permit general use are due royalties<br>
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<div dir="ltr">for every commercial use longer than some short excerpt; radio<br>
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<div dir="ltr">stations pay them for what they broadcast; Joe would be liable for<br>
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<div dir="ltr">royalties on direct sales - these may have not been worth pursuing.<br>
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<div dir="ltr">RIAA and BMI listen to radio & TV, now podcasts, Spotify, etc. to<br>
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<div dir="ltr">enforce. If Jack Kornfield registered his lectures with one of the<br>
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<div dir="ltr">licensing organizations and permitted general use he received a<br>
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<div dir="ltr">royalty every time they were aired on a radio station. If he didn't<br>
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<div dir="ltr">permit general use, then Joe was violating his copyright and Kornfield<br>
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<div dir="ltr">can enforce it. Kornfield may not have copyrighted them.<br>
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<div dir="ltr"> Ever hear the song 'Let there be peace on Earth' ('and let it<br>
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<div dir="ltr">begin with me')? If you did, you didn't hear it on the radio or any<br>
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<div dir="ltr">other commercial performance: the owners forbade commercial use. 3<br>
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<div dir="ltr">cute girls sang it at my high school's talent show, the only time I<br>
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<div dir="ltr">heard it, other than the times I sang it with friends, maybe church.<br>
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<div dir="ltr"> I saw Tin Pan Alley denizen Sammy Kahn on Dick Cavett's PBS<br>
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<div dir="ltr">show. A pianist played an excerpt of one of his songs. Kahn asked<br>
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<div dir="ltr">him to play some more, then explained that with 4 more bars, he gets a<br>
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<div dir="ltr">royalty.<br>
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<div dir="ltr"> 'Fair use' is the doctrine that allows non-commercial use<br>
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<div dir="ltr">without paying royalties: use in school or speeches, for example, but<br>
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<div dir="ltr">not in a performance that makes money. Your high school has to pay<br>
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<div dir="ltr">royalties to stage 'Our town'. It's not an exact concept so is<br>
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<div dir="ltr">constantly wrangled over in court. Lots of owners of music Liddle<br>
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<div dir="ltr">Donnie plays at his rallies have sued him. Joe made money for his<br>
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<div dir="ltr">shows: it's commercial.<br>
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<div dir="ltr"> Quoth Michal Story:<br>
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<div dir="ltr"> 'The music is derivative (Joe made the loops and added vocals<br>
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<div dir="ltr">/ drones to it? at times.'<br>
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<div dir="ltr"> Joe aired all of David Amram's 'Pull my daisy' at the end of<br>
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<div dir="ltr">'Bottle for a headstone', all of Etta James's 'At last' at the end of<br>
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<div dir="ltr">'At last', a couple of minutes of Sinatra's 'I've got you under my<br>
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<div dir="ltr">skin' to close Karma 6, a minute+ of Edie Brickell's 'Nothing' at the<br>
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<div dir="ltr">end of 'Emerald Isle'. 'Silent sea' contains many excerpts of<br>
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<div dir="ltr">T. S. Eliot reading his poetry. It's still use even if you add stuff.<br>
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<div dir="ltr">M. C. Hammer had to pay Rick James for his use of James's 'Super<br>
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<div dir="ltr">freak' bass line in 'U can't touch this'. Weird Al Yankovic pays<br>
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<div dir="ltr">royalties to the owners of songs he spoofs. He also asks permission.<br>
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<div dir="ltr"> 'there were / have been no complaints.'<br>
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<div dir="ltr"> That's good to hear.<br>
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<div dir="ltr"> 'Hope this helps'<br>
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<div dir="ltr"> Yes, thanks.<br>
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<div dir="ltr"> 'Answered. previously.'<br>
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<div dir="ltr"> Not actually. I suspect you meant Joe didn't get permission<br>
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<div dir="ltr">You can ask even if you don't think you're violating copyright: it's<br>
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<div dir="ltr">russell bell<br>
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