<HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><HTML><FONT SIZE=2 PTSIZE=10 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0">I'm proved wrong again- how nice that both the examples I mentioned in my screed both have the good graces to acknowledge their debt to Joe. <BR>
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Nice to be wrong when it means that people are better than I thought.... maybe I need to have my medication adjusted ;-)<BR>
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In a message dated 3/29/2005 5:39:51 PM Central Standard Time, tewoodruff@yahoo.com writes:<BR>
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<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">the theory of everything guy mentioned his respect for<BR>
joe in a pitchforkmedia article a little while back.<BR>
http://www.pitchforkmedia.com/columns/get-that-out-of-your-mouth/05-02-25.shtml<BR>
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...<BR>
"My hero in radio is the greatest radio artist that<BR>
ever existed, Joe Frank. I'm barely emerging out of my<BR>
Joe Frank clone stage," claims Walker. (It is easy to<BR>
hear the influence, especially in the way they both<BR>
give the ends of their sentences one last strangle<BR>
before letting them go.) "[Frank] worked with fiction<BR>
and exploratory topics...What he did was create a<BR>
space where you could change the format. In other<BR>
words, you weren't just doing the same thing every<BR>
week. 'Here's the A section, the B section'-- he just<BR>
mixed it up. The formatless format. To me, that's<BR>
wonderful. I mean, why would you want any other format<BR>
than that?"<BR>
...<BR>
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--- BILLMILOSZ@aol.com wrote:<BR>
>Well, I stand corrected - Ira Glass is indeed <BR>
>acknowledging the influence. <BR>
>I am getting increasingly cynical in my old age, and<BR>
>often assume the worst <BR>
>about people.... it's good to hear that Ira Glass is<BR>
>of better character than <BR>
>that. <BR>
>>Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2005 23:05:21 -0800<BR>
>From: Harold Johnson <harold.johnson@gmail.com><BR>
>To: Joe Frank Mailing List<BR>
><joe-frank-list@armory.com><BR>
>Subject: Re: [joe-frank-list] Joe- started an<BR>
>industry?<BR>
><BR>
>I am completely in accordance with what you're<BR>
>saying, and many<BR>
>artists have, in fact, acknowledged Joe Frank's<BR>
>influence, I wish<BR>
>they'd do it more often. There's an audio recording<BR>
>you can listen to<BR>
>at JoeFrank.com which includes both David Sedaris<BR>
>and Ira Glass<BR>
>detailing their admiration for Joe's work; it's<BR>
>currently at the<BR>
>following location, on the left of the page:<BR>
><BR>
>http://www.joefrank.com/air.html<BR>
><BR>
>Scroll down the page to find the link. You can also<BR>
>find the same<BR>
>audio on the following page, but you'll have to<BR>
>scroll down farther:<BR>
><BR>
>http://www.joefrank.com/shows.html<BR>
><BR>
>Harold J. Johnson<BR>
>http://audioblogs.info<BR>
><BR>
>On Sun, 27 Mar 2005 01:30:22 EST, BILLMILOSZ@aol.com<BR>
><BILLMILOSZ@aol.com> wrote:<BR>
>>I just heard a radio program called "Theory of<BR>
>Everything" - a docutainment<BR>
>>magazine format, interviews and discussion of a<BR>
>certain topic. But the<BR>
>>production style had the looped music, not quite<BR>
>as dark as Joe's, but<BR>
>>definitely that same production technique<BR>
>pioneered by Joe of the looped<BR>
>>music with a certain "feel" forming an audio<BR>
>counterpoint to the spoken<BR>
>>part. This is something Ira Glass picked up when<BR>
>he interned with Joe Frank<BR>
>>and then built into the very popular PRI /Public<BR>
>Radio offering "This<BR>
>>American Life" and now this same technique is<BR>
>being used in "Theory of<BR>
>>Everything"- a loop that sets the mood and which<BR>
>swells up for emphasis when<BR>
>>there is a pause in the story.<BR>
>> <BR>
>> And while this audio production archetype is now<BR>
>so pervasive that it might<BR>
>>seem like it occurred "naturally" or is an<BR>
>"obvious method"- the truth is<BR>
>>this is something Joe developed, ha ha, hope he<BR>
>can collect roylaties from<BR>
>>these Johnny-come-latelies. Or maybe the Third<BR>
>Coast people were<BR>
>>acknowledging this when they gave Joe that<BR>
>Lifetime Achievement award. (I<BR>
>>hope that there was a check that came along with<BR>
>that award, but I bet there<BR>
>>wasn't. Most people in Public Radio are starving. <BR>
>The average production<BR>
>>drudge in an NPR affiliate making documentaries<BR>
>gets paid minimum wage -or<BR>
>>less, if the station can get away with paying by<BR>
>the piece rather than<BR>
>>hiring staff by the hour.)<BR>
>> <BR>
>> Actually, I WOULD like to hear Ira Glass<BR>
>acknowledge his debt to Joe. Glass<BR>
>>tried a lot of different formulas on the radio -<BR>
>including a self indulgent<BR>
>>program called The Wild Room which seemingly had<BR>
>no actual content- before<BR>
>>he scored with This American Life, a program which<BR>
>is COMPLETELY beholden to<BR>
>>Joe for it's "look and feel". Ira has even been<BR>
>known to use some of the<BR>
>>exact same music to loop as Joe....<BR>
>> <BR>
>> Don't get me wrong, I like This American Life,<BR>
>I've heard some interesting<BR>
>>stuff. I also liked what I heard so far of<BR>
>Benjamin Walker's "Theory of<BR>
>>Everything" (except the announcer's stop-and-start<BR>
>vocal pacing which also<BR>
>>has kind of breathy whine in it- very annoying)<BR>
>but these guys owe A LOT to<BR>
>>Joe and they should acknowledge it. <BR>
>> <BR>
>> Yeah, right- as if some artists is EVER going to<BR>
>acknowledge that their<BR>
>>work isn't only about them and their own<BR>
>incredible genius..... <BR>
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