[joe-frank-list] ''Til you're gone'

Sun Oct 23 01:51:05 PDT 2022

Sean (or anyone),

can you also confirm that on the original cassette version, just after Joe says “that’s when I started screaming” (23:23 on the joefrank.com <http://joefrank.com/> version) and his mother says “what’s wrong??” that Joe answers “You’re standing on my foot!”

I believe this was also excised from the digital version when the Thomas Newman music was added to the same scene, but my cassette is in storage somewhere so I can’t check. But it’s driving me crazy.

ned

> On 27. Jan 2021, at 16:45, Sean Kelly <seaniekaye at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Thanks Russell Bell!
> 
> My 1980's cassette of Til You're Gone reveals that the Thomas Newman music was added later. Joe's monologues are unaccompanied in the original. I prefer the original, it makes that section about going back home anxious and claustrophobic.
> 
> On Wed, Jan 27, 2021 at 10:31 AM <russellbell at gmail.com <mailto:russellbell at gmail.com>> wrote:
>         Actors read singles' ads; could be actual ads.
> 
>         1:40: (Jazz music) Joe tells of training for the Olympic
> decathlon, how strong he is.
> 
>         2:50: (Disco music) He tries to study, but can't, goes to a
> club.  He meets the Georgette the former head cheerleader.  They
> dance, go to the beach, make love.  A few weeks later Joe gets
> terribly sick with a venereal disease.
> 
>         7: Doris and Philip are on the beach; he ogles a girl, she
> reacts jealously.
> 
>         8:30: Actors read more singles' ads.
> 
>         9:50: Joe addresses a large audience in a stadium, tells them
> about perfect love, apparently how to achieve it.
> 
>         13:10: (Oompah band music) At a restaurant a guy (sounds like
> Arthur Miller) says that Freud was affected by what he ate.  A number
> of different actors talk about German/Austrian food and the ancient
> Teutons.
> 
>         15: Another couple (Doris & Philip?) at a restaurant talk
> about what to eat; they come onto each other, then get into an
> argument about what he has on his chin.
> 
>         16:40: ''Til you're gone'
> 
>         17:40: Joe's riding on a train; the stops sound like a train
> north of NYC, ending up in Newburgh.  He's back in the town he grew up
> in, goes to his mother's home; she berates him for not having written,
> but it turns out to be the wrong address.
> 
>         21:20: Joe's in battle, sounds like WW1 - a brigade of women
> in bathrobes attacks.  He knocks one into a washing machine, which
> kills her.
> 
>         23:20: Joe's at his mother's home, gets into an argument about
> his getting a job, not believing in God.
> 
>         25:30: ''Til you're gone'
> 
>         26: Doris and Philip are happy with their day; she's romantic,
> he fears he can't perform, which frustrates her.  They can't agree.
> 
>         30:30: ''Til you're gone'
> 
>         30:50: Actors read more singles' ads.
> 
>         31:50: A guy (Arthur Miller?) talks about getting in touch
> with feelings, how the failure to do that causes so much of the
> problems of modern society.  Others join in the discussion: it's the
> consciousness-lowering group.  (originally aired in 'Arena' - or is
> it the other way around?  They're both 1979.)
> 
>         37:30: Joe recounts falling in love with pianos.  (The first
> piano was a the 'hungry i' in Chicago, Joe says; the 'hungry i' was in
> San Francisco.  It was a *great* club!
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hungry_i <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hungry_i>) He fell hardest for a piano in
> Palm Beach, slept in her.  Later he makes millions on the stock
> market, goes back for it, promises to save her, love her eternally.
> 'A kiss is just a kiss' accompanies the end.
> 
>         43:20: An announcer reading a news story recounts how
> high-ranking Nazis escape after WW2, some to South America, some
> convert to Judaism, even becoming rabbis, some to Roman Catholicism.
> (Tchaikowsky's Symphony 6)
> 
>         45:50: Joe asks if she remembers a train ride into the
> mountains (some are Austrian Alps); they collect the stuff people on a
> train riding to a concentration camp, keep as souvenirs.  They're
> about to make love when Joe protests he was merely a minor
> functionary.
> 
>         48:30: Actors read more singles' ads.
> 
>         50:10: The consciousness-lowering group talks about the
> difficulties of relationships, critically evaluate Doris & Philip's
> relationship, the story of Joe returning home.
> 
>         54:50: ''Til you're gone'
> 
>         Year: 1979
> 
>         Cast: Arthur Miller, Robin Bartlette, Tim Jerome, Bernie
> Mantell, Irene Wagner, Eric Sears, Rosemary Foley, David St. James,
> Marcel Rosenblatt, Joe Frank
> 
>         Music: This episode has a theme song, ''Til you're gone',
> performed by Arthur Miller (according to the 'NPR playhouse'
> announcer), accompanied by harmonica and guitar.  It sounds like a
> real country song.  I excerpted it from the show, have it on my
> playlist.
> 
>         The peaceful piano at 1120 and 3901 seconds (elsewhere?) comes
> from Thomas Newman's score for 'Little women' (1995), the 'Valley of
> the shadow' scene.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R5KLL4i9QWI <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R5KLL4i9QWI> How
> did Joe get music composed in 1995 in a show in 1979?  He was a
> genius!  Or Newman re-used music he wrote earlier, either for another
> film or a 'serious' piece of music.  Maybe Joe composed it in the
> first place and Newman plagiarized him!
>         https://drive.google.com/file/d/145IWqFbSMLfYakatpGujibbXcx73Tpd6/view?usp=sharing <https://drive.google.com/file/d/145IWqFbSMLfYakatpGujibbXcx73Tpd6/view?usp=sharing>
> is the clip from Joe's show.
> 
>         An excerpt of the 'Casablanca' score, based on 'A kiss is just
> a kiss', accompanies the 'falling in love with a piano' segment.
> 
>         An excerpt from the third movement of Tchaikowsky's Symphony 6
> accompanies the escaped Nazis segment.
> 
>         I haven't identified the other music.
> 
> russell bell
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