From rbell at alumni.caltech.edu Sat Oct 22 21:19:38 2022 From: rbell at alumni.caltech.edu (rbell at alumni.caltech.edu) Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2022 22:19:38 -0600 Subject: [joe-frank-list] 'Dear Annie' Message-ID: <202210230419.29N4JcE3010752@randytool.net> Joe tells of his relationship with a woman 15 years younger, his misgivings. (Joe was 15 years older than the woman he had a relationship with in 'Karma part 1') She acts childishly, gets carried away by stray animals, animals dead in the street, in movies. 4:00: They're friends with a married couple Joe's age, the Barnwells, whom they visit often. 5:50: Joe tells Annie she'll outlive him by 30 years because she's younger and healthier. She can't take it seriously. Joe describes himself being dead. 8:40: Joe tells of his birthday celebration at the Barnwells'. Joe acts out a heart attack. 10:00: Joe narrates writing a letter to Annie telling her that their relationship must end, over the sound of, and in sync with, a typewriter. Joe says he doesn't want them to end up a bitterly-unhappy couple like their parents. (He says 'our parents', not 'my parents', which indicates he knew about Annie's parents.) 12:20: Joe describes habits of hers that annoy him: using too much toilet paper; driving in the passing lane; driving too fast up to red lights and turns, having to brake sharply; not wearing a seat belt; parking too far from the curb. Annie's unsympathetic. 18:00: Waiting for friends at a restaurant, Annie objects to the way an old couple has dressed 2 young girls. 18:50: Joe visits Annie in California where she's relocated for a year. They drive down US 1 (Joe must mean California 1; US 1 is a highway along the east coast, from the Key West to Fort Kent, Maine, at the Canadian border.) to Malibu (xAnnie's in Ventura County? Santa Barbara?) 19:20: They eat at a buffet in a club, where they stuff themselves and complain about how narcissistic Californians are about their looks. It's New Year's Eve. Joe tells her about 2 old lovers of his. She cries. 23:20: Joe narrates writing a letter to Annie telling her that their relationship must end, over the sound of, and in sync with, a typewriter. Joe says he doesn't want them to end up a bitterly-unhappy couple like their parents. 25:40: A married couple, the man, a colleague of Annie's at work, has invited them to dinner. On their way home Joe comments on the man's effeminacy. Annie chides Joe for his competitiveness. 26:20: Annie wakes up after an erotic dream about Jim, a man she knows at work. She wants to make love to Joe; he demurs. They drive into town to visit thrift shops, but they're closed. Browsing in a used bookstore Annie sees a bakery, wants a cookie, Joe wants to wait until they go back to the car; the bakery is closed when they get out. When they get to the track (Why are they going to a track? It has cinders, so it seems to be an athletic track.) she sees she's low on fuel, will have to drive back to town for diesel. She's frustrated. 28:20: Their love-making has begun to suffer. 28:50: Joe imagines coming home to find her hanged from his chinning bar. 30:20: Joe describes their early relationship, when she lived in graduate student housing, how he felt out of place with people so young. She spent weekends at Joe's. She wanted Joe to visit at her housing, come to their parties. Joe didn't because it would have made him feel uncomfortable. They argued. 33:40: Joe narrates writing a letter to Annie telling her that their relationship must end, over the sound of, and in sync with, a typewriter. Joe says he doesn't want them to end up a bitterly-unhappy couple like their parents. 35:50: Joe tells of being in a restaurant with a friend, who tells of her ex-boyfriend, starts crying, leaves. Annie tells Joe he wants to kiss him goodbye. 36:30: Joe imagines breaking up, the pluses and minuses of solitude. Joe tries to store up reasons to break up, but forgets them. 38:20: Joe lists all the reasons why now isn't a good time to break up. 39:20: Joe recalls the time he wanted to run away when he was 7 or 8. His parents had the grace to help him leave and gave him a face-saving way to stay. 40:50: Joe tells of being self-conscious when eating alone in a restaurant, is sure the other single men he sees in restaurants aren't happy about it. 42:20: Joe notices Annie circling apartments for rent in the paper, can't imagine her living in a seedy building, tells her to stop, takes her out to dinner. 43:20: Joe lists the various feelings he has about her, positive and negative. 44:20: Joe ruminates on the nature of love, how others use the word, is unsure he has ever felt it. He and friends argue about it. 46:20: Joe says he used to think that the women he enjoyed talking to on the phone were the ones he liked best, but discovered he often didn't like them in person. 47:30: Joe imagines grieving Annie's departure. 48:30: Joe tells us what he likes about a woman, how he feels about her when he watches her sleeping. 49:40: From the window of their hotel room Joe watches Annie at the pool. 50:40: Joe narrates writing a letter to Annie telling her that their relationship must end, over the sound of, and in sync with, a typewriter. Joe says he doesn't want them to end up a bitterly-unhappy couple like their parents. https://jfwiki.org/index.php?title=Dear_Annie russell bell From ned at stromkern.com Sun Oct 23 01:51:05 2022 From: ned at stromkern.com (professor ned) Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2022 10:51:05 +0200 Subject: [joe-frank-list] ''Til you're gone' In-Reply-To: References: <202101271530.10RFUrSY012650@randytool.net> Message-ID: <9CFE6C83-8F0D-4984-BCD0-9D1F959034CF@stromkern.com> Sean (or anyone), can you also confirm that on the original cassette version, just after Joe says ?that?s when I started screaming? (23:23 on the joefrank.com version) and his mother says ?what?s wrong??? that Joe answers ?You?re standing on my foot!? I believe this was also excised from the digital version when the Thomas Newman music was added to the same scene, but my cassette is in storage somewhere so I can?t check. But it?s driving me crazy. ned > On 27. Jan 2021, at 16:45, Sean Kelly wrote: > > Thanks Russell Bell! > > My 1980's cassette of Til You're Gone reveals that the Thomas Newman music was added later. Joe's monologues are unaccompanied in the original. I prefer the original, it makes that section about going back home anxious and claustrophobic. > > On Wed, Jan 27, 2021 at 10:31 AM > wrote: > Actors read singles' ads; could be actual ads. > > 1:40: (Jazz music) Joe tells of training for the Olympic > decathlon, how strong he is. > > 2:50: (Disco music) He tries to study, but can't, goes to a > club. He meets the Georgette the former head cheerleader. They > dance, go to the beach, make love. A few weeks later Joe gets > terribly sick with a venereal disease. > > 7: Doris and Philip are on the beach; he ogles a girl, she > reacts jealously. > > 8:30: Actors read more singles' ads. > > 9:50: Joe addresses a large audience in a stadium, tells them > about perfect love, apparently how to achieve it. > > 13:10: (Oompah band music) At a restaurant a guy (sounds like > Arthur Miller) says that Freud was affected by what he ate. A number > of different actors talk about German/Austrian food and the ancient > Teutons. > > 15: Another couple (Doris & Philip?) at a restaurant talk > about what to eat; they come onto each other, then get into an > argument about what he has on his chin. > > 16:40: ''Til you're gone' > > 17:40: Joe's riding on a train; the stops sound like a train > north of NYC, ending up in Newburgh. He's back in the town he grew up > in, goes to his mother's home; she berates him for not having written, > but it turns out to be the wrong address. > > 21:20: Joe's in battle, sounds like WW1 - a brigade of women > in bathrobes attacks. He knocks one into a washing machine, which > kills her. > > 23:20: Joe's at his mother's home, gets into an argument about > his getting a job, not believing in God. > > 25:30: ''Til you're gone' > > 26: Doris and Philip are happy with their day; she's romantic, > he fears he can't perform, which frustrates her. They can't agree. > > 30:30: ''Til you're gone' > > 30:50: Actors read more singles' ads. > > 31:50: A guy (Arthur Miller?) talks about getting in touch > with feelings, how the failure to do that causes so much of the > problems of modern society. Others join in the discussion: it's the > consciousness-lowering group. (originally aired in 'Arena' - or is > it the other way around? They're both 1979.) > > 37:30: Joe recounts falling in love with pianos. (The first > piano was a the 'hungry i' in Chicago, Joe says; the 'hungry i' was in > San Francisco. It was a *great* club! > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hungry_i ) He fell hardest for a piano in > Palm Beach, slept in her. Later he makes millions on the stock > market, goes back for it, promises to save her, love her eternally. > 'A kiss is just a kiss' accompanies the end. > > 43:20: An announcer reading a news story recounts how > high-ranking Nazis escape after WW2, some to South America, some > convert to Judaism, even becoming rabbis, some to Roman Catholicism. > (Tchaikowsky's Symphony 6) > > 45:50: Joe asks if she remembers a train ride into the > mountains (some are Austrian Alps); they collect the stuff people on a > train riding to a concentration camp, keep as souvenirs. They're > about to make love when Joe protests he was merely a minor > functionary. > > 48:30: Actors read more singles' ads. > > 50:10: The consciousness-lowering group talks about the > difficulties of relationships, critically evaluate Doris & Philip's > relationship, the story of Joe returning home. > > 54:50: ''Til you're gone' > > Year: 1979 > > Cast: Arthur Miller, Robin Bartlette, Tim Jerome, Bernie > Mantell, Irene Wagner, Eric Sears, Rosemary Foley, David St. James, > Marcel Rosenblatt, Joe Frank > > Music: This episode has a theme song, ''Til you're gone', > performed by Arthur Miller (according to the 'NPR playhouse' > announcer), accompanied by harmonica and guitar. It sounds like a > real country song. I excerpted it from the show, have it on my > playlist. > > The peaceful piano at 1120 and 3901 seconds (elsewhere?) comes > from Thomas Newman's score for 'Little women' (1995), the 'Valley of > the shadow' scene. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R5KLL4i9QWI How > did Joe get music composed in 1995 in a show in 1979? He was a > genius! Or Newman re-used music he wrote earlier, either for another > film or a 'serious' piece of music. Maybe Joe composed it in the > first place and Newman plagiarized him! > https://drive.google.com/file/d/145IWqFbSMLfYakatpGujibbXcx73Tpd6/view?usp=sharing > is the clip from Joe's show. > > An excerpt of the 'Casablanca' score, based on 'A kiss is just > a kiss', accompanies the 'falling in love with a piano' segment. > > An excerpt from the third movement of Tchaikowsky's Symphony 6 > accompanies the escaped Nazis segment. > > I haven't identified the other music. > > russell bell > _______________________________________________ > Joe Frank Mailing List > joe-frank-list at armory.com > http://www.armory.com/mailman/listinfo.cgi/joe-frank-list > _______________________________________________ > Joe Frank Mailing List > joe-frank-list at armory.com > http://www.armory.com/mailman/listinfo.cgi/joe-frank-list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: