From ned at stromkern.com Sun Nov 1 09:13:10 2020
From: ned at stromkern.com (professor ned)
Date: Sun, 1 Nov 2020 17:13:10 +0000
Subject: [joe-frank-list] Ode To War
Message-ID: <8030ACC9-D405-48F5-BB3A-FAA48340EB1F@stromkern.com>
Anyone have any idea when this was originally aired?
ned
From russellbell at gmail.com Mon Nov 2 00:18:34 2020
From: russellbell at gmail.com (russellbell at gmail.com)
Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2020 01:18:34 -0700
Subject: [joe-frank-list] 'Ode to war'
Message-ID: <202011020818.0A28IYSn003805@randytool.net>
Asked professor ned <ned at stromkern.com>:
'Anyone have any idea when this was originally aired?'
It's in 'I'm not crazy', which first aired in 1990 - I have
no more specific information. https://www.joefrank.com/shop/im-not-crazy/
'Hearing voices' https://hearingvoices.com occasionally
released excerpts from Joe's shows, including 'Ode to war', in an
episode about war (or patriotism or Memorial Day - I forget the
theme.)
russell bell
From ned at stromkern.com Mon Nov 2 03:27:45 2020
From: ned at stromkern.com (professor ned)
Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2020 11:27:45 +0000
Subject: [joe-frank-list] 'Ode to war'
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References: <202011020818.0A28IYSn003805@randytool.net>
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Hi all,
yes I recognized the ode itself as being from ?I?m Not Crazy? but I have a recording which actually announces the title as ?Ode To War? - but no other information about the program or provenance.
It seems to be a pastiche rather than a remix - starts with the music criticism from ?Iceland (part 1)?, followed by a rant I don?t recognize (?I always throughout my life asked for nothing more than respect?), both parts of the box story from ?Islands?, ?it?s my show, it?s not your show? from the beginning of ?Iceland (part 3)?, more respect ranting (?And here, on the outskirts of a small mud-hut village, I can be seen in the fields, gathering the seeds of the harvest?), and finally drops into ?I?m Not Crazy? at ?The veterans she dated from all the American wars of the 20th century?) until the end of the ?ode? itself.
I?ve filed it under 1990 for the time being.
ned
> On Nov 2, 2020, at 8:18 AM, russellbell at gmail.com wrote:
>
> Asked professor ned <ned at stromkern.com>:
>
> 'Anyone have any idea when this was originally aired?'
>
> It's in 'I'm not crazy', which first aired in 1990 - I have
> no more specific information. https://www.joefrank.com/shop/im-not-crazy/
> 'Hearing voices' https://hearingvoices.com occasionally
> released excerpts from Joe's shows, including 'Ode to war', in an
> episode about war (or patriotism or Memorial Day - I forget the
> theme.)
>
> russell bell
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From russellbell at gmail.com Tue Nov 3 06:04:51 2020
From: russellbell at gmail.com (russellbell at gmail.com)
Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2020 07:04:51 -0700
Subject: [joe-frank-list] 'Ode to war'
Message-ID: <202011031404.0A3E4pkW007117@randytool.net>
Quoth professor ned <ned at stromkern.com>:
'I have a recording which actually announces the title as 'Ode
To War' - but no other information about the program or provenance.'
Twice KPFA aired episodes of excerpts they called 'Ode to war'
that match your description: 2008 October 12 and 2005 August 28. (My
records start 2004 May 23.) I've never listened to any of
joefrank.com's collections of excerpts; perhaps this is one of them
(KPFA aired some of them.); possibly KPFA chose the excerpts
themselves, that it isn't an official Joe show.
'a rant I don't recognize ("I always throughout my life asked
for nothing more than respect")'
'The Dictator' part 3, about 7:30 in, re-used in 'Cave
Dreamer'.
'more respect ranting ("And here, on the outskirts of a small
mud-hut village, I can be seen in the fields, gathering the seeds of
the harvest")'
Also 'Dictator' 3 and 'Cave Dreamer'.
russell bell
From russellbell at gmail.com Sun Nov 8 05:52:02 2020
From: russellbell at gmail.com (russellbell at gmail.com)
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 2020 06:52:02 -0700
Subject: [joe-frank-list] Aelius Gallus in 'Thank you, you're beautiful'
Message-ID: <202011081352.0A8Dq2nS022795@randytool.net>
In 'At the border' Joe tells a story about the Roman army of
Aelius Gallus losing its way in north Africa, misguided by a Nabatean
guide, eventually made war on an inland sea. According to Wikipedia
Aelius Gallus was Roman prefect of Egypt 26-24 BCE, undertook a
not-successful expedition to Arabia (not north Africa), was misguided
by a Nabatean guide; there's no mention of a war on an inland sea.
Strabo knew Gallus, wrote an account of this expedition in his
'Geography'.
Joe re-used the story (and a lot of 'At the border') in 'Thank
you, you're beautiful'.
russell bell
From russellbell at gmail.com Tue Nov 10 06:03:32 2020
From: russellbell at gmail.com (russellbell at gmail.com)
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2020 07:03:32 -0700
Subject: [joe-frank-list] Nick Ullett
Message-ID: <202011101403.0AAE3WwI024170@randytool.net>
Joe's site puts Mr Ullett in the cast of 'In the middle of
nowhere', 'Rent-a-family', 'The policemen's ball', 'Photography', and
'Great lives'. (Some other sources put him in 'Case studies'.) He
recently wrote, 'I used to love doing those shows. Joe would give us
situations and it was up to us to improvise anything we liked around
them. I must have done a half dozen of them. I think my favorite was
"Rent a Family" but that's mainly because it's the only one I actually
remember.'
WFMU and some others misspell his name as 'Aulette'.
russell bell
Bonus non-Joe story: He came to America (from England) as a comedy duo
with Tony Hendra (later of the 'National Lampoon'). In the '60s they
took any work they could get. Mr Hendra told the story that they were
booked at a Borscht Belt Catskills resort. When they arrived, they
found the booker had mis-heard their name as 'Tony Hendra and
Nicolette', assumed they were a dance act. Because they were booked
between other comedians, and the formula, such as it was, was to
alternate comedy with music, they knew they couldn't do their act, so
they improvised a dance routine. The audience whispered, 'Fagelah'
(sp?)
rb
From russellbell at gmail.com Wed Nov 11 05:26:47 2020
From: russellbell at gmail.com (russellbell at gmail.com)
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2020 06:26:47 -0700
Subject: [joe-frank-list] 'Shawshank redemption' and 'Escape from paradise'
Message-ID: <202011111326.0ABDQlNc008344@randytool.net>
I notice similarities. Joe & Andy both chip a hole through
the walls of their cells with rock hammers; Andy covers his with pinup
posters of famously-beautiful women; Joe puts a frame around his hole,
calls it art, titles it 'Escape from paradise'.
Both have Black friends, with whom they eventually end up.
Both go to Mexico; both work on old boats.
Stephen King published 'Rita Hayworth and Shawshank
Redemption' in 1982; the movie 'Shawshank Redemption' was made in
1994; Joe released 'Escape from paradise' in 1996.
Joe uses music from Thomas Newman's score of the movie in many
of his other shows, including the cut 'Rock hammer'.
After Jones kills Farrington he takes his master key, but he
escapes with Joe through the sewer.
russell bell
From russellbell at gmail.com Thu Nov 19 04:40:01 2020
From: russellbell at gmail.com (russellbell at gmail.com)
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2020 05:40:01 -0700
Subject: [joe-frank-list] 'The other side'
Message-ID: <202011191240.0AJCe1dR002406@randytool.net>
All but 2 minutes of the show 'The other side' is re-used
material, including almost all (perhaps all) of 'Across the river'.
The 'new' part is an excerpt from a sound-effects record at 32:40.
A panel discusses new weapons; Steiner, in upstate NY, resents
that they never send him new weapons, that he has to improvise on a
small scale. (Originally in 'Warheads')
14:20: Story of the Kapts, a tribe in ancient Turkey that took
inaminate objects captive, then themselves. (Originally in
'Dreamland')
16:50: A panel discusses being taken hostage, the business of
hostage taking. (Originally in 'Dreamland')
22:50: A group at a caf?(?) discusses strontium-90 and -91
(Originally in 'Across the river').
25:50: Joe, MC at a club, thanks his audience. (Originally in
'Across the river').
35:50: Group is back discussing alternative forms of energy.
(Originally in 'Across the river').
32:40: Guy announces sound effects, numbered (gun shots,
breaking glass...) This is the only part of the show not taken from
previous episodes.
34:40: Group is back, discussing new energy bar and nuclear
energy. (Originally in 'Across the river').
38:40: Group discusses nuclear radiation to create mutants.
(Originally in 'Across the river').
44:50: Joe, the club MC, is back. (Originally in 'Across the
river').
46:00: Group discusses 'fact' that 50 million have died from
nuclear energy, then imaginative alternative sources of energy. One
claims that all the residents in an apartment building in Woodstock,
NY generate the power for its lights. (Lester Nafzger lives in
Woodstock.) (Originally in 'Across the river').
48:40: Guy (distorted voice) answers a pay phone on his way
home, about 2 AM, converses flirtatiously with a female stranger who
is watching him. (Originally in 'Lines')
53:30: Young men and women have flirtatious phone
conversations (conference?). (Originally in 'Lines')
58:30: Guy complains that people contradict themselves.
(Originally in 'Questions')
russell bell
From russellbell at gmail.com Fri Nov 20 04:44:11 2020
From: russellbell at gmail.com (russellbell at gmail.com)
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 2020 05:44:11 -0700
Subject: [joe-frank-list] correction to my synopsis of 'The other side'
Message-ID: <202011201244.0AKCiBbv014198@randytool.net>
The entry at 35:50 should have been 30:50.
russell bell
From russellbell at gmail.com Fri Nov 27 04:35:48 2020
From: russellbell at gmail.com (russellbell at gmail.com)
Date: Fri, 27 Nov 2020 05:35:48 -0700
Subject: [joe-frank-list] 'No angel'
Message-ID: <202011271235.0ARCZmNU004729@randytool.net>
Arthur Miller tells the story of his brother, who played cello
in an orchestra in college (in the Midwest). As part of a State
Department program the orchestra travels to South American countries.
In La Paz, Bolivia, the brother has sex with the daughter of the
American consul, who dies in the act. 10 years later the brother
tells Arthur the story was false.
11:10: Joe welcomes us to the other side, starts with a
prayer.
12:20: Milton Schindler tells of his encounter with a
prostitute: she approached him at a restaurant, asked to use his
bathroom, then demanded money for sex.
14:20: Joe collects fossils, skeletons... goes to the Museum
of Natural History; these remind him our lives are brief.
15:40: Larry Block tells the story of a daughter of Holocaust
survivors, Rosalie (apparently not the same Rosalie whom Larry knows
in the 'Karma' shows). She wants her wealthy husband to get her
pregnant by artificial insemination but won't make love to him. She's
in a group of children of Holocaust survivors who travel to Germany to
socialize with the children of Gestapo officers.
23:10: Joe's working on a film in Africa, sees a crocodile eat
a zebra, a pack of hyenas eat a wildebeest and her calf, a pride of
lions catch and eat a gazelle.
25:40: Milton Schindler sees a gorgeous girl at a Cinerama,
Lesley, a masseuse; they strike up a conversation.
27:10: Joe asks Dr Malcolm why he has to have another
operation. Malcolm tells Joe a ridiculous story about famous athlete
Colin Davidson (fictional) who was carried off by a bird.
29:20: Milton Schindler tells of being an honorary pall
bearer; afterwards, in his hotel room, he thinks he going to die, lies
on his bed, has a dream in which God visits; Milton asks for 100 years
of life, God gives him 88 years, after applying a discount. Milton
tries to kill himself but all efforts fail. He says that he was born
in 1925, was 40 at the time of the story. (88 years would have had
him die in 2013.) Milton Austin Schindler was born 1925 Febuary 25 in
Omaha, Nebraska (but was living in Brooklyn in the 1930 census), died
2002 December 8 in Los Angeles - only 77 years.
33:10: Joe tries to flee from death, hiding out in cheap hotel
rooms, using cash, fake passport, moving daily...
34:10: Woman tells the story of riding a bus in San Francisco
when an old woman dies. She helps the paramedics, calls the hospital
afterwards.
42:50: Joe's mother sends him to child psychologist Sylvia
Bronfman when he's 8 because of his terrible nightmares. Over 20
years later he consults her again. Joe feels odd about being in a
child psychologist's office. Joe feels guilty about spending
thousands on analysis when the building's elevator operator is just
scraping by, feels badly about how Joe imagines he feels about him.
After her husband (Professor Axelman (sp?), who taught at
Hunter College) dies, Joe becomes obsessed with his corpse, leading to
an impasse in his analysis, thus its end.
In this segment Joe tells us that his father was the son of a
rabbi and a man of great wisdom, that while everyone else in the
family speaks of him with great respect, his mother is silent about
him.
The story of Joe consulting a child psychologist first
appeared in 'When she's asleep she looks like an angel' (1985), but
without names, without a mention of his father. I wonder whether he
edited out those details for 'When she's asleep...' or added them (or
made them up) for 'No angel'.
53:50: Joe looks at his pistol, bought to defend himself from
the riots after MLK's assassination. Then he looks at a picture of
himself asleep as a child.
55:20: Joe says it's time to say good night, imagines the
building being shut down.
Milton Schindler is the gambler who tells his story in 'Zen';
he's in the cast of 'Caged Heart'. No other source puts him in 'No
angel'. He introduces himself as Milton when he meets the masseuse,
Lesley, has the same voice.
Anyone recognize the woman on the bus?
From russellbell at gmail.com Sat Nov 28 07:13:52 2020
From: russellbell at gmail.com (russellbell at gmail.com)
Date: Sat, 28 Nov 2020 08:13:52 -0700
Subject: [joe-frank-list] 'Pilgrim'
Message-ID: <202011281513.0ASFDqEx030740@randytool.net>
Joe tells of a Thanksgiving dinner in which he eats too much.
6:00: Joe wonders how many people think about the origins of
Thanksgiving, imagines Pilgrims.
8:00: Arthur Miller tells of being on a raft trying to paddle
up the Zhang (sp?) river, but they can't out-row the current, so they
drift downstream. They see the Holy Man of Bei-lin (sp?). They
misunderstand the weird noises he makes, think he's gone mad; Arthur
later concludes that he was mirroring their confusion.
11:30: Joe talks about the idea of the pilgrim, that the
journey, not the destination, is the true meaning of a pilgrimage.
14:30: Arthur Miller opines that pilgrimage is a search for a
home, tells of a journey from Paranagu? to Curitiba (both in the
Paran? state of Brazil), stopping in a chapel along the way, has a
metaphysical experience, falls asleep, is robbed and dumped in the
gutter.
19:10: Bill Nelson's 'The spirit cannot fail you'.
20:50: Wandering the streets of Soho, Joe falls in love with a
1953 Buick Century 4-holer convertible. Though it's worth only a few
hundred, he pays the owner (Grace Zabriskie?) $15,000 for it (she's
suspicious of his motives), having sold all his stuff and borrowed
from friends and family. He drives west.
27:10: At a Philips 66 service center Joe stops for a tuna
melt, falls in love with his waitress (Helen Wilson?), tries to get
her to go with him. She refuses.
30:00: Joe delivers a mock paean to a fictional mother, all
the things she did for her children and husband - originally in
'Problems'.
38:40: Arthur Miller tells of trying to kill himself in
Budapest, but failing. He takes a train to Cracow, hoping to consult
Dr Heinrich Gorscht (sp?), who, he thinks, is the only man who can
help him. He finds him in a billiards hall.
44:40: Joe reaches the Rockies. A state trooper (Florina
Federescu, who has an IMDB page) stops him for a flickering tail
light; he likes the car, complains that Americans move too much (He's
Rumanian).
47:20: Joe arrives in Las Vegas. He opines that the gambler
is more in touch with ultimate reality than the engineer because the
gambler abandons himself to chance.
50:00: Joe arrives at the Pacific ocean, drives into it. He
sees a guy with a car (1957 Chevy Belair) in the water up the shore
(Douglas Johnson?). He's fallen in love with it, plans to haul it
out, refurbish it, drive it to the East coast.
52:50: Joe imagines all the people who sneak into the US, that
what they really want is a car, a full tank of gas, the freedom of the
highways, they're our new pilgrims.
I kept records of the episodes some stations aired. In his
last 12 years on WNYC they aired 'Pilgrim' 6 times, always near
Thanksgiving. KPFA aired edited-down versions in 2016 and 2004. WBEZ
never aired it 2008-2017. KDVS never aired it 2008-2016. WMNF, WESA,
WDRT, and KGOU never aired it at all.
russell bell
From russellbell at gmail.com Sun Nov 29 06:24:58 2020
From: russellbell at gmail.com (russellbell at gmail.com)
Date: Sun, 29 Nov 2020 07:24:58 -0700
Subject: [joe-frank-list] 'When she's asleep she looks like an angel'
Message-ID: <202011291424.0ATEOwmj022437@randytool.net>
Joe sees a psychiatrist who specializes in children, her only
adult patient. Her husband teaches Jewish history. He dies; Joe
attends his funeral. 23rd psalm in background. Joe becomes obsessed
with his corpse, won't talk about it in therapy, takes a diplomatic
post in Africa.
Joe tells a somewhat-different version of this story in 'No
angel'.
9: A little girl (his daughter?) dotes on Joe - 'Sometimes
when I'm stretched out on the sofa she'll climb up on top of me and
fall asleep on my chest... When she's asleep she looks like an
angel...'
11: On California Highway 1, on a cliff above the water, an
unemployed carpenter and his girlfriend, Carla, a forensic serologist
in the medical examiner's office, find an abandoned handbag. They
drive to the nearest place with a phone, a restaurant, call the cops,
wait for them to arrive.
28: 23rd psalm in background.
29: The little girl again - 'She likes me to make up stories,
sitting before the piano...'
30: 'Yesterday a woman called...' who wants a lawyer. Joe
can't help. She wants him to call back. She wants him to tell her a
number that was special to her. Joe thinks about that. We hear him
talking to himself, saying numbers.
33: When he was a boy, falling asleep, Joe tortured himself
with fantasies of making awful decisions.
35: Living in a fancy building as a boy, Pat, one of the
staff, was caught having snuck into their apartment, was fired.
37: Interview on public television with Holocaust survivor.
38: Joe's friend George who has trouble crying.
42: Marshall gets drunk at Caroline's Christmas party, laments
the deaths of trees.
43: Joe picks up a hitchhiker in Montana who tells him of
40-foot tall Jesus.
44: Joe wanders a corridor at a college, overhears a graduate
assistant lecturing about limits of human intelligence.
45: Joe drives one night on route 5, stops at a gas station,
hears people clapping and singing, then a preacher. The station
attendant is the same person lecturing in the segment above. Joe
attacks him.
47: 23rd psalm in background.
48: The little girl again - 'Every Thursday evening I take her
on my rounds. We drive to the homes of families I've photographed...'
Joe brings lovers home, takes their pictures.
51: Joe says more numbers.
From russellbell at gmail.com Mon Nov 30 05:14:19 2020
From: russellbell at gmail.com (russellbell at gmail.com)
Date: Mon, 30 Nov 2020 06:14:19 -0700
Subject: [joe-frank-list] 'The Dictator' part 1
Message-ID: <202011301314.0AUDEJLV011495@randytool.net>
Joe (a child) tells of the great drought afflicting his
village; people, including his sister, explode and burst into flame.
6:50: It rains for 3 months, drowning everybody and thing,
except Joe, who grabs an uprooted tree trunk, floats to a new village,
where a family adopts him.
7:50: The new village is farmers. A cruel neighboring tribe
kills all, except Joe, who buried himself, breathed through a reed
during the raid.
9:40: Joe, now the dictator, describes his ultra-safe bunker,
his dozens of doubles, goes to the surface to encourage his troops.
19:40: Joe tells the story of an oil seller who had 4 bottles
of especially-valuable oil. He gave 1 to a neighbor who burnt his
house down, the second to another neighbor who has an affair with his
wife, who bears quadruplets dedicated to assassinating him, the third
to a holy man who cursed him.
22:30: 'Freedom... is so exhilarating...' Joe, the dictator,
has to be careful about whom he trusts.
28:00: Joe played a game when a child, putting as much dirt as
possible in ears, nose, mouth; Joe always won. Then he began burying
himself, had to have dirt cooked into all his meals. Eventually he
became his own garden, ate what grew on him. (This was adapted for a
short film, 'Dirt'.)
30:40: 'Moral conscience is a hall of mirrors...' what is good
behavior changes over time and place, is relative; Joe expatiates on
this matter for minutes.
35:00: Joe says power is better than morality, delivers a
paean to power.
39:10: Circus comes to town when Joe is 15. Magda, the
beautiful contortionist, mesmerizes Joe. One evening she can't untie
herself. Joe ran down to untie her. Circus master adds Joe untying
Magda to the act.
41:40: Joe the dictator: the attacking army is winning against
him, but Joe is defiant.
46:30: Joe repeats, 'Help me unravel this knot and find my way
back to the town where I first saw you, where all this started, this
thirst.', with different put-on voices.
48:50: Music, cannon fire, explosions.