From doug.eklund at gmail.com Sun Feb 4 20:58:36 2007 From: doug.eklund at gmail.com (Doug Eklund) Date: Sun Feb 4 20:58:40 2007 Subject: [joe-frank-list] npr show just now Message-ID: anyone catch the title of that? original air date? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.armory.com/pipermail/joe-frank-list/attachments/20070204/d87e3010/attachment.htm From shiro at uclink4.berkeley.edu Sun Feb 4 21:11:24 2007 From: shiro at uclink4.berkeley.edu (shiro@uclink4.berkeley.edu) Date: Sun Feb 4 21:12:00 2007 Subject: [joe-frank-list] npr show just now In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20070205051124.GB3341@jabberwock.hopto.org> If you give us a line or two of description and mention which station you are listening to, you're likely to get a more useful response. Best, Erik On Sun, Feb 04, 2007 at 11:58:36PM -0500, Doug Eklund wrote: > anyone catch the title of that? original air date? > _______________________________________________ > Joe Frank Mailing List > joe-frank-list@armory.com > http://www.armory.com/mailman/listinfo.cgi/joe-frank-list From billmilosz at aol.com Sun Feb 4 23:48:30 2007 From: billmilosz at aol.com (billmilosz@aol.com) Date: Sun Feb 4 23:48:46 2007 Subject: [joe-frank-list] Joe's shows on public radio stations Message-ID: <8C9171129A61C69-16B0-7085@mblk-r15.sysops.aol.com> Joe's programs are distributed by CD which are sent to the various public radio stations in cities around the country. Each station playing the program can select a time to play it, and each station may not play the same program. So, there's no "nationally broadcast" single Joe Frank program each week. Joe is available on the XM Satellite Radio system, channel 163 Tuesday through Saturday nights at 9:00 Pacific / 12 Midnight Eastern time. Of course, you have buy an XM-capable satellite receiver and pay a monthly subscription to XM in order to hear any XM programming. See http://www.xmradio.com/onxm/channelguide.xmc?ch=163 Obviously this program is the same wherever you hear it, unlike the situation on your local Public Radio station. In the days when he was with KCRW (a Southern California NPR station) his weekly program was carried by the NPR satellite distribution system and local stations could air the satellite feed; in those days, there was one weekly Joe Frank program coast-to-coast. It might be interesting to note that since he left KCRW, that station is no longer the largest / most well-supported Public Radio affiliate. Coincidence.....? I'll leave that up to you. (By some measures, the "premier" NPR station is now WBEZ in Chicago.) ________________________________________________________________________ Check out the new AOL. Most comprehensive set of free safety and security tools, free access to millions of high-quality videos from across the web, free AOL Mail and more. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.armory.com/pipermail/joe-frank-list/attachments/20070205/c8244c08/attachment.htm From doug.eklund at gmail.com Mon Feb 5 06:15:15 2007 From: doug.eklund at gmail.com (Doug Eklund) Date: Mon Feb 5 06:17:24 2007 Subject: [joe-frank-list] npr show just now In-Reply-To: <20070205051124.GB3341@jabberwock.hopto.org> References: <20070205051124.GB3341@jabberwock.hopto.org> Message-ID: sorry, it was mostly about debi(is that her name?)'s flirtation with a french woman journalist--wnyc at 11pm...thanks, Erik! On 2/5/07, shiro@uclink4.berkeley.edu wrote: > > If you give us a line or two of description and mention which station you > are listening to, you're likely to get a more useful response. > > Best, > Erik > > On Sun, Feb 04, 2007 at 11:58:36PM -0500, Doug Eklund wrote: > > anyone catch the title of that? original air date? > > > _______________________________________________ > > Joe Frank Mailing List > > joe-frank-list@armory.com > > http://www.armory.com/mailman/listinfo.cgi/joe-frank-list > _______________________________________________ > Joe Frank Mailing List > joe-frank-list@armory.com > http://www.armory.com/mailman/listinfo.cgi/joe-frank-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.armory.com/pipermail/joe-frank-list/attachments/20070205/e15e7c05/attachment.htm From sally at oilostatic.com Sat Feb 10 22:19:45 2007 From: sally at oilostatic.com (Sally) Date: Sat Feb 10 22:19:55 2007 Subject: [joe-frank-list] Hollsworth's Fantasy Life In-Reply-To: <20060809224627.5s5h915lk9wk0sgw@www.joefrank.com> References: <20060809031243.67410.qmail@web30001.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <20060809224627.5s5h915lk9wk0sgw@www.joefrank.com> Message-ID: I'm just listening to my favorite Joe Frank episode, In The Dark, and I recognized a strange resemblance between Hollsworth's fantasy life, and the documentary story told on last week's episode of This American Life. In Hollsworth's story, he invites a homeless man home, and the man invites his friends over, and takes over Hollsworth's house and life. In the TAL episode, a man invites a prostitute into his home, and her friends take over his house, and eventually cause it to be raided and condemned by the police. An interesting parallel. Anyway, if you haven't heard the TAL episode, it's on their website, thislife.org. Perhaps it's not the most amazing TAL ever, but very good. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.armory.com/pipermail/joe-frank-list/attachments/20070211/3522cd6d/attachment.htm From shboone at mindspring.com Sat Feb 17 18:39:35 2007 From: shboone at mindspring.com (Sarah Boone) Date: Sat Feb 17 18:39:36 2007 Subject: [joe-frank-list] Hollsworth's Fantasy Life Message-ID: <380-22007201823935203@mindspring.com> i don't know if anyone already pointed this out, but ira glass (this american life guy) used to work as an intern on Joe's show, many years ago. ----- Original Message ----- From: Sally To: Joe Frank Mailing List Sent: 2/11/2007 12:24:43 AM Subject: [joe-frank-list] Hollsworth's Fantasy Life I'm just listening to my favorite Joe Frank episode, In The Dark, and I recognized a strange resemblance between Hollsworth's fantasy life, and the documentary story told on last week's episode of This American Life. In Hollsworth's story, he invites a homeless man home, and the man invites his friends over, and takes over Hollsworth's house and life. In the TAL episode, a man invites a prostitute into his home, and her friends take over his house, and eventually cause it to be raided and condemned by the police. An interesting parallel. Anyway, if you haven't heard the TAL episode, it's on their website, thislife.org. Perhaps it's not the most amazing TAL ever, but very good. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.armory.com/pipermail/joe-frank-list/attachments/20070217/927fab4f/attachment.htm From majestic_cheese at yahoo.com Sun Feb 18 12:14:03 2007 From: majestic_cheese at yahoo.com (Larry Dunn) Date: Sun Feb 18 12:14:07 2007 Subject: [joe-frank-list] Re: Hollsworth's Fantasy Life In-Reply-To: <200702181200.ac05640@deepthought.armory.com> Message-ID: <515493.25608.qm@web30011.mail.mud.yahoo.com> > From: "Sarah Boone" > i don't know if anyone already pointed this out, but > ira glass (this american life guy) used to work as > an intern on Joe's show, many years ago. Joe has actually referred to this with mock jealousy in one or more of his shows, if I remember correctly. Or at least he "gripes" about the success of Ira Glass and another radio personality. ____________________________________________________________________________________ 8:00? 8:25? 8:40? Find a flick in no time with the Yahoo! Search movie showtime shortcut. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/shortcuts/#news From billmilosz at aol.com Sun Feb 18 12:19:54 2007 From: billmilosz at aol.com (billmilosz@aol.com) Date: Sun Feb 18 12:20:11 2007 Subject: [joe-frank-list] Ira Glass etc Message-ID: <8C921B149051BF8-AA0-4CCF@MBLK-M06.sysops.aol.com> Ira Glass' venue "This American Life" is now also going to have a TV program as part of the franchise.... Glass' program is less edgy, less abstract and often not as personal as Joe's, that may account for it being apparently more popular. ________________________________________________________________________ Check out the new AOL. Most comprehensive set of free safety and security tools, free access to millions of high-quality videos from across the web, free AOL Mail and more. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.armory.com/pipermail/joe-frank-list/attachments/20070218/d8e553a7/attachment.htm From bewareofdog at mac.com Sun Feb 18 12:35:21 2007 From: bewareofdog at mac.com (bewareofdog@mac.com) Date: Sun Feb 18 12:35:49 2007 Subject: [joe-frank-list] Ira Glass etc In-Reply-To: <8C921B149051BF8-AA0-4CCF@MBLK-M06.sysops.aol.com> References: <8C921B149051BF8-AA0-4CCF@MBLK-M06.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <7D3EE782-B756-406F-A904-EB1EBC314F28@mac.com> Joe's program "Women Police Officers" opens with the following line: "God, I really hate David Sedaris and Ira Glass, those two miserable geeks, those wretched freaks, they should move in together, adopt children, leave the country, maybe they should go to mars... what do you think?" This particular episode is freaking hilarious. From scs1 at theavocadopapers.com Sun Feb 18 12:49:47 2007 From: scs1 at theavocadopapers.com (Steve Schneider) Date: Sun Feb 18 12:52:06 2007 Subject: [joe-frank-list] Ira Glass etc In-Reply-To: AAAAACQz1IeazaxDiMwe6m+nOs7EyyYA Message-ID: <200702182049.l1IKnuCo018370@svcstatl08.hotspot.t-mobile.com> Re the last few posts about TAL and Ira Glass: This American Life is a fantastic show. I don't know what "edgy" even means (or "abstract," for that matter); what I do know is that, like Joe Frank's work, TAL is ground-breaking radio. But they're utterly different! I have never, once, sensed that Glass was trying to emulate or rip off JF. TAL seems to me to be essentially a magazine: two, three, or rour features reported on by various producers, with the occasional fiction thrown in (e.g. D. Sedaris reading a short story). JF's shows are simply nothing like that, and I'm referring to any of his formats: the "reality" shows such as the Karma series; the improvised, highly edited radio dramas; the fictional monologues; the non-fictional monologues such as "No Show"; and so on. I have seen Glass credit JF at least twice (which is nice, although I'm not entirely sure that he owes much artistically to JF). When JF has mentioned Glass, there has been a tinge of annoyance or jealousy, and frankly I'm not sure why. As far as the "God, I really hate David Sedaris and Ira Glass, those two miserable geeks, those wretched freaks. They should move in together, adopt children, leave the country, maybe go to mars. What do you think?" quote, which I believe starts off the women-police-officer show: are we really supposed to take that 100% seriously? Especially in a show devoted to getting a rise out of people and especially women (by suggesting that women are not fit to be police officers)? In another, he complains about the phenomenal (by public-radio standards) success of TAL, but in that piece, he seems to me to be complaining mostly about the lack of support that his show gets (from KCRW, I guess). I've never sensed any real animosity towards Glass from JF. With most of JF, a lot is open to interpretation, of course... Look, I basically spent half of 2004 and most of 2005 working through the JF shows -- to the extent that I didn't even read many books during that time. I must have listened to some of the shows 30 times. I'm a huge admirer. But only on a JF mailing list could Ira Glass be seen as a sell-out, or as being too mainstream. (Not that this post is, necessarily, saying that, but I've seen a lot of bitterness directed towards Glass -- which is funny: I doubt there would be any of that were it not for the coincidence that IG was an intern for JF long, long ago). I guess what I'd like to know is, what do people think that Glass "stole" from JF? What things? Specifically? -- Steve. _____ From: joe-frank-list-bounces@armory.com [mailto:joe-frank-list-bounces@armory.com] On Behalf Of billmilosz@aol.com Sent: Sunday, February 18, 2007 3:20 PM To: joe-frank-list@armory.com Subject: [joe-frank-list] Ira Glass etc Ira Glass' venue "This American Life" is now also going to have a TV program as part of the franchise.... Glass' program is less edgy, less abstract and often not as personal as Joe's, that may account for it being apparently more popular. _____ Check out the new AOL. Most comprehensive set of free safety and security tools, free access to millions of high-quality videos from across the web, free AOL Mail and more. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.armory.com/pipermail/joe-frank-list/attachments/20070218/a50b0fce/attachment.htm From billmilosz at aol.com Sun Feb 18 14:47:39 2007 From: billmilosz at aol.com (billmilosz@aol.com) Date: Sun Feb 18 14:47:52 2007 Subject: [joe-frank-list] Ira Glass Message-ID: <8C921C5ED0042CB-884-5234@MBLK-M05.sysops.aol.com> Ira Glass uses the same concept of a "musical lead-up and bed" - even using some of the same tracks, e.g. MC 900 Ft Jesus track "Buried at Sea" from "One Step Ahead of the Spider" which is used by Joe in "Mountain Rain" from 1996- listen to the first seconds of "Buried at Sea" here: http://lf.org/milosz/temp/900ft.mp3 This is one of the ways in which the "sonic style" of TAL is a direct descendant from Joe Frank's work, whose influence has been repeatedly acknowledged by Glass. While I think it's a VERY GOOD show, maybe even GREAT, I don't agree that This American Life is "ground breaking" - it's just a story anthology. It's cast in a hip, ironic post-modern style, but it's just a story anthology, which has been a format used by radio documentarians since at least the 1930's. I also want to say something more about Ira Glass and TAL - much to the credit of Ira and his staff and the management of Chicago's WBEZ which produces it, TAL does NOT shy away from controversial topics and has, quite often, a lot of "meat" in it's content. Sure it has the light Sedaris stuff, and other ironic humor, but it also has had some very strong content, very well presented. ________________________________________________________________________ Check out the new AOL. Most comprehensive set of free safety and security tools, free access to millions of high-quality videos from across the web, free AOL Mail and more. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.armory.com/pipermail/joe-frank-list/attachments/20070218/c0c5fe30/attachment.htm From mondeauxp at gmail.com Mon Feb 19 07:47:17 2007 From: mondeauxp at gmail.com (Armando Prado) Date: Mon Feb 19 07:59:25 2007 Subject: [joe-frank-list] Re: joe-frank-list Digest, Vol 43, Issue 3 In-Reply-To: <200702181200.ac05640@deepthought.armory.com> References: <200702181200.ac05640@deepthought.armory.com> Message-ID: <15cb6aea0702190747o487d8f8cj4190fa9c66e3c58@mail.gmail.com> That is fuinny because I was thinking the exact same thing when I heard TAL. On 2/18/07, joe-frank-list-request@armory.com < joe-frank-list-request@armory.com> wrote: > > Send joe-frank-list mailing list submissions to > joe-frank-list@armory.com > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://www.armory.com/mailman/listinfo.cgi/joe-frank-list > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > joe-frank-list-request@armory.com > > You can reach the person managing the list at > joe-frank-list-owner@armory.com > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of joe-frank-list digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. RE: Hollsworth's Fantasy Life (Sarah Boone) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2007 20:39:35 -0600 > From: "Sarah Boone" > Subject: RE: [joe-frank-list] Hollsworth's Fantasy Life > To: "Joe Frank Mailing List" > Message-ID: <380-22007201823935203@mindspring.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > i don't know if anyone already pointed this out, but ira glass (this > american life guy) used to work as an intern on Joe's show, many years ago. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Sally > To: Joe Frank Mailing List > Sent: 2/11/2007 12:24:43 AM > Subject: [joe-frank-list] Hollsworth's Fantasy Life > > > > > > > I'm just listening to my favorite Joe Frank episode, In The Dark, and I > recognized a strange resemblance between Hollsworth's fantasy life, and the > documentary story told on last week's episode of This American Life. In > Hollsworth's story, he invites a homeless man home, and the man invites his > friends over, and takes over Hollsworth's house and life. In the TAL > episode, a man invites a prostitute into his home, and her friends take over > his house, and eventually cause it to be raided and condemned by the police. > > > An interesting parallel. > > > Anyway, if you haven't heard the TAL episode, it's on their website, > thislife.org. 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URL: http://www.armory.com/pipermail/joe-frank-list/attachments/20070219/1c9fc164/attachment-0001.htm From sam.holland at gmail.com Tue Feb 20 10:30:08 2007 From: sam.holland at gmail.com (Sam Holland) Date: Tue Feb 20 10:30:13 2007 Subject: [joe-frank-list] Re: RE: Ira Glass etc (Steve Schneider) Message-ID: I don't think Ira Glass could fairly be called derivative except in the broadest possible sense, but his show is much less interesting than Joe Frank's. I often have conversations with people who are fans of This American Life--I don't know anyone who listens to NPR who doesn't at least claim to be a listener--and they're always very enthusiastic, and they want to talk about the show, and talk about what a visionary radio producer Ira Glass is. And I always tell them that I think This American Life is boring by comparison. TAL is "safe" in the way that NPR is "safe." At least--and I might be completely wrong on this--the way I perceive it: that even when addressing dark or unsettling subject matter, I never lose the sense that I'm listening to the voice of reason, the authoritative tone. Am I talking out of my ass? And on Joe Frank's show, anything could happen. Reason is abandoned. I might be listening to an entire episode's worth of lunatic ranting. The only thing I'm really sure of is that it's going to be either sixty or thirty minutes long. I don't get that from Ira Glass. And I don't really feel that Glass is an artist so much as an editor or curator, presiding over the storytelling equivalent of Sound and Spirit. > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2007 15:49:47 -0500 > From: "Steve Schneider" > Subject: RE: [joe-frank-list] Ira Glass etc > To: "'Joe Frank Mailing List'" > Message-ID: > <200702182049.l1IKnuCo018370@svcstatl08.hotspot.t-mobile.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Re the last few posts about TAL and Ira Glass: This American Life is a > fantastic show. I don't know what "edgy" even means (or "abstract," for > that matter); what I do know is that, like Joe Frank's work, TAL is > ground-breaking radio. But they're utterly different! I have never, once, > sensed that Glass was trying to emulate or rip off JF. TAL seems to me to > be essentially a magazine: two, three, or rour features reported on by > various producers, with the occasional fiction thrown in (e.g. D. Sedaris > reading a short story). JF's shows are simply nothing like that, and I'm > referring to any of his formats: the "reality" shows such as the Karma > series; the improvised, highly edited radio dramas; the fictional > monologues; the non-fictional monologues such as "No Show"; and so on. > > I have seen Glass credit JF at least twice (which is nice, although I'm not > entirely sure that he owes much artistically to JF). When JF has mentioned > Glass, there has been a tinge of annoyance or jealousy, and frankly I'm not > sure why. As far as the "God, I really hate David Sedaris and Ira Glass, > those two miserable geeks, those wretched freaks. They should move in > together, adopt children, leave the country, maybe go to mars. What do you > think?" quote, which I believe starts off the women-police-officer show: are > we really supposed to take that 100% seriously? Especially in a show > devoted to getting a rise out of people and especially women (by suggesting > that women are not fit to be police officers)? In another, he complains > about the phenomenal (by public-radio standards) success of TAL, but in that > piece, he seems to me to be complaining mostly about the lack of support > that his show gets (from KCRW, I guess). I've never sensed any real > animosity towards Glass from JF. With most of JF, a lot is open to > interpretation, of course... > > Look, I basically spent half of 2004 and most of 2005 working through the JF > shows -- to the extent that I didn't even read many books during that time. > I must have listened to some of the shows 30 times. I'm a huge admirer. > But only on a JF mailing list could Ira Glass be seen as a sell-out, or as > being too mainstream. (Not that this post is, necessarily, saying that, but > I've seen a lot of bitterness directed towards Glass -- which is funny: I > doubt there would be any of that were it not for the coincidence that IG was > an intern for JF long, long ago). > > I guess what I'd like to know is, what do people think that Glass "stole" > from JF? What things? Specifically? > > -- Steve. From ghastly_fop at yahoo.com Tue Feb 20 11:27:49 2007 From: ghastly_fop at yahoo.com (Levent) Date: Tue Feb 20 11:27:53 2007 Subject: [joe-frank-list] Re: RE: Ira Glass etc (Steve Schneider) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <545544.80919.qm@web52510.mail.yahoo.com> I think you nailed it, Sam. I listen to TAL all the time, and I desperately WANT to love it, or even like it. But time and time again, I find myself either wanting more, wanting to be surprised and/or moved, or just being flat-out disappointed by what I've just heard. There's this defensive kind of smugness at work in TAL -- a kind of "I'm better than you" smugness coupled with a "Don't hit me!" wimpiness. --- Sam Holland wrote: > I don't think Ira Glass could fairly be called > derivative except in > the broadest possible sense, but his show is much > less interesting > than Joe Frank's. I often have conversations with > people who are fans > of This American Life--I don't know anyone who > listens to NPR who > doesn't at least claim to be a listener--and they're > always very > enthusiastic, and they want to talk about the show, > and talk about > what a visionary radio producer Ira Glass is. And I > always tell them > that I think This American Life is boring by > comparison. > > TAL is "safe" in the way that NPR is "safe." At > least--and I might be > completely wrong on this--the way I perceive it: > that even when > addressing dark or unsettling subject matter, I > never lose the sense > that I'm listening to the voice of reason, the > authoritative tone. Am > I talking out of my ass? And on Joe Frank's show, > anything could > happen. Reason is abandoned. I might be listening to > an entire > episode's worth of lunatic ranting. The only thing > I'm really sure of > is that it's going to be either sixty or thirty > minutes long. I don't > get that from Ira Glass. And I don't really feel > that Glass is an > artist so much as an editor or curator, presiding > over the > storytelling equivalent of Sound and Spirit. > ____________________________________________________________________________________ The fish are biting. Get more visitors on your site using Yahoo! Search Marketing. http://searchmarketing.yahoo.com/arp/sponsoredsearch_v2.php From awkwardgrace at yahoo.com Tue Feb 20 12:00:49 2007 From: awkwardgrace at yahoo.com (Tom McDonald) Date: Tue Feb 20 12:00:52 2007 Subject: [joe-frank-list] Re: RE: Ira Glass etc (Steve Schneider) Message-ID: <429895.43948.qm@web51807.mail.yahoo.com> Yep, I feel exactly the same kind of things as Levent and Sam. Well said. But there's lots to praise in TAL as well. It might seem watered down and domesticated compared to JF, but what doesn't? And compare TAL to most other radio fare and you realize it contributes something truly worthwhile. A few months ago a TAL segment even offered up some pedophilia jokes, including a jewish pedophilia joke. The segment gave a boost to my flagging esteem for NPR as a whole. Maybe it's slowly becoming less fearful of risk as the world gets more and more Boratized. And honestly there's downsides to JF as well. You get high highs with JF but the occaisonal low lows too. TAL keeps to the middle range, to the voice of reason as Sam observes. ----- Original Message ---- From: Levent To: Joe Frank Mailing List Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2007 11:27:49 AM Subject: Re: [joe-frank-list] Re: RE: Ira Glass etc (Steve Schneider) I think you nailed it, Sam. I listen to TAL all the time, and I desperately WANT to love it, or even like it. But time and time again, I find myself either wanting more, wanting to be surprised and/or moved, or just being flat-out disappointed by what I've just heard. There's this defensive kind of smugness at work in TAL -- a kind of "I'm better than you" smugness coupled with a "Don't hit me!" wimpiness. --- Sam Holland wrote: > I don't think Ira Glass could fairly be called > derivative except in > the broadest possible sense, but his show is much > less interesting > than Joe Frank's. I often have conversations with > people who are fans > of This American Life--I don't know anyone who > listens to NPR who > doesn't at least claim to be a listener--and they're > always very > enthusiastic, and they want to talk about the show, > and talk about > what a visionary radio producer Ira Glass is. And I > always tell them > that I think This American Life is boring by > comparison. > > TAL is "safe" in the way that NPR is "safe." At > least--and I might be > completely wrong on this--the way I perceive it: > that even when > addressing dark or unsettling subject matter, I > never lose the sense > that I'm listening to the voice of reason, the > authoritative tone. Am > I talking out of my ass? And on Joe Frank's show, > anything could > happen. Reason is abandoned. I might be listening to > an entire > episode's worth of lunatic ranting. The only thing > I'm really sure of > is that it's going to be either sixty or thirty > minutes long. I don't > get that from Ira Glass. And I don't really feel > that Glass is an > artist so much as an editor or curator, presiding > over the > storytelling equivalent of Sound and Spirit. > ____________________________________________________________________________________ The fish are biting. Get more visitors on your site using Yahoo! Search Marketing. http://searchmarketing.yahoo.com/arp/sponsoredsearch_v2.php _______________________________________________ Joe Frank Mailing List joe-frank-list@armory.com http://www.armory.com/mailman/listinfo.cgi/joe-frank-list ____________________________________________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta. http://new.mail.yahoo.com From billmilosz at aol.com Tue Feb 20 15:17:16 2007 From: billmilosz at aol.com (billmilosz@aol.com) Date: Tue Feb 20 15:17:24 2007 Subject: [joe-frank-list] TAL Message-ID: <8C9235C656DABE6-BA4-3346@webmail-da18.sysops.aol.com> Well, let's not spend too much time bashing TAL. I agree, there's a hipper-than-thou condescending vibe that comes thru from some of the contributors, but there is also some good stuff, even occasionally some REAL GOOD stuff like the audio journal of the kid from Afghanistan. My own personal bias is that I really dislike any of the segments actually narrated or told by Mr. Glass, his idea of what might be interesting to the world at large shows more self fascination than I can tolerate. I also agree that there is an "NPR blandness imprint" to TAL to a degree, and the show doesn't push categorical boundaries like Joe Frank's shows have, and so on. TAL is a story anthology, a decent one, told from the point of the post-modern hipeoisie and isn't an experiment in nonobjective radio the way Joe's work often is. So, maybe let's leave discussion and / or bashing of TAL for other fora and get back to Joe.... ________________________________________________________________________ Check out the new AOL. Most comprehensive set of free safety and security tools, free access to millions of high-quality videos from across the web, free AOL Mail and more. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.armory.com/pipermail/joe-frank-list/attachments/20070220/0ae3ba9d/attachment.htm From scs1 at theavocadopapers.com Tue Feb 20 15:47:21 2007 From: scs1 at theavocadopapers.com (Steve Schneider) Date: Tue Feb 20 15:48:05 2007 Subject: another topic [was: RE: [joe-frank-list] TAL] In-Reply-To: <8C9235C656DABE6-BA4-3346@webmail-da18.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <200702201548.aa02658@deepthought.armory.com> If you can be 68 or 69 and still be a member of the "hipoisie" (a word I like and haven't heard before, btw), surely JF is a member of that group, no? At least as much as IG is? Agree that IG's presentation is sometimes annoying; also agree that TAL's appeal is more mainstream (as Shakespeare's and Bach's and Picasso's and Lennon's and Dylan's are, among others); also agree that we should move on. So here's a question: I love JF's shows from his last three series. I'm less familiar with the earlier stuff, partly because when I try to get into it, I can't as much. Not sure why. I'm especially interested in the improvised/highly edited "radio plays"; can someone recommend their favorite among those? -- S. _____ From: joe-frank-list-bounces@armory.com [mailto:joe-frank-list-bounces@armory.com] On Behalf Of billmilosz@aol.com Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2007 6:17 PM To: joe-frank-list@armory.com Subject: [joe-frank-list] TAL Well, let's not spend too much time bashing TAL. I agree, there's a hipper-than-thou condescending vibe that comes thru from some of the contributors, but there is also some good stuff, even occasionally some REAL GOOD stuff like the audio journal of the kid from Afghanistan. My own personal bias is that I really dislike any of the segments actually narrated or told by Mr. Glass, his idea of what might be interesting to the world at large shows more self fascination than I can tolerate. I also agree that there is an "NPR blandness imprint" to TAL to a degree, and the show doesn't push categorical boundaries like Joe Frank's shows have, and so on. TAL is a story anthology, a decent one, told from the point of the post-modern hipeoisie and isn't an experiment in nonobjective radio the way Joe's work often is. So, maybe let's leave discussion and / or bashing of TAL for other fora and get back to Joe.... _____ Check out the new AOL. Most comprehensive set of free safety and security tools, free access to millions of high-quality videos from across the web, free AOL Mail and more. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.armory.com/pipermail/joe-frank-list/attachments/20070220/b089cae6/attachment.htm From salo99 at verizon.net Tue Feb 20 15:45:18 2007 From: salo99 at verizon.net (Robert) Date: Tue Feb 20 15:52:10 2007 Subject: [joe-frank-list] TAL References: <8C9235C656DABE6-BA4-3346@webmail-da18.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <003601c75549$2e7c2550$2e01a8c0@OLD> The predictable thing about that segment with the kid from Afghanistan was that his father was associated with the US-controlled occupational government. You would never hear such a sympathetic personal story of someone whose family was opposed to US interests, with all the attendant expressions of rage, grief and powerlessness that would entail. On the other hand, Joe's monologue about his experience in dating a Muslim woman (whether real or fictional), their relationship, she and her family and friends' reaction his jewishness, and vice versa, was imo truly edgy and something you wouldn't hear anywhere else in the American mass media. ----- Original Message ----- From: billmilosz@aol.com To: joe-frank-list@armory.com Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2007 6:17 PM Subject: [joe-frank-list] TAL Well, let's not spend too much time bashing TAL. I agree, there's a hipper-than-thou condescending vibe that comes thru from some of the contributors, but there is also some good stuff, even occasionally some REAL GOOD stuff like the audio journal of the kid from Afghanistan. My own personal bias is that I really dislike any of the segments actually narrated or told by Mr. Glass, his idea of what might be interesting to the world at large shows more self fascination than I can tolerate. I also agree that there is an "NPR blandness imprint" to TAL to a degree, and the show doesn't push categorical boundaries like Joe Frank's shows have, and so on. TAL is a story anthology, a decent one, told from the point of the post-modern hipeoisie and isn't an experiment in nonobjective radio the way Joe's work often is. So, maybe let's leave discussion and / or bashing of TAL for other fora and get back to Joe.... ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Check out the new AOL. Most comprehensive set of free safety and security tools, free access to millions of high-quality videos from across the web, free AOL Mail and more. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Joe Frank Mailing List joe-frank-list@armory.com http://www.armory.com/mailman/listinfo.cgi/joe-frank-list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.armory.com/pipermail/joe-frank-list/attachments/20070220/0c99c4c1/attachment.htm From springystepps at aol.com Tue Feb 20 15:59:19 2007 From: springystepps at aol.com (springystepps@aol.com) Date: Tue Feb 20 15:59:27 2007 Subject: [joe-frank-list] Re: RE: Ira Glass etc (Steve Schneider) In-Reply-To: <545544.80919.qm@web52510.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <8C923624517E466-140C-47EA@webmail-db11.sysops.aol.com> I'm not a consistent listener of TAL, but when I do tune in I'm generally left with a "Gosh darn it, this world is crazy, but all is well and actually quite entertaining" kind of feeling. Joe is more "God damn it, this world is crazy and good luck to all of us while He entertains Himself." There's a clever, extroverted cheerfulness to TAL, versus Joe's nuanced introspection even on topics that appear to be very outer-directed. TAL seems fascinated by the "what;" Joe by the "why." Really, the two shows are such different explorations of "this American life" that it doesn't seem quite fair to compare them. I think Joe is pretty much going to win any contest of blown minds and dropped jaws. -----Original Message----- From: ghastly_fop@yahoo.com To: joe-frank-list@armory.com Sent: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 1:27 PM Subject: Re: [joe-frank-list] Re: RE: Ira Glass etc (Steve Schneider) I think you nailed it, Sam. I listen to TAL all the time, and I desperately WANT to love it, or even like it. But time and time again, I find myself either wanting more, wanting to be surprised and/or moved, or just being flat-out disappointed by what I've just heard. There's this defensive kind of smugness at work in TAL -- a kind of "I'm better than you" smugness coupled with a "Don't hit me!" wimpiness. --- Sam Holland wrote: > I don't think Ira Glass could fairly be called > derivative except in > the broadest possible sense, but his show is much > less interesting > than Joe Frank's. I often have conversations with > people who are fans > of This American Life--I don't know anyone who > listens to NPR who > doesn't at least claim to be a listener--and they're > always very > enthusiastic, and they want to talk about the show, > and talk about > what a visionary radio producer Ira Glass is. And I > always tell them > that I think This American Life is boring by > comparison. > > TAL is "safe" in the way that NPR is "safe." At > least--and I might be > completely wrong on this--the way I perceive it: > that even when > addressing dark or unsettling subject matter, I > never lose the sense > that I'm listening to the voice of reason, the > authoritative tone. Am > I talking out of my ass? And on Joe Frank's show, > anything could > happen. Reason is abandoned. I might be listening to > an entire > episode's worth of lunatic ranting. The only thing > I'm really sure of > is that it's going to be either sixty or thirty > minutes long. I don't > get that from Ira Glass. And I don't really feel > that Glass is an > artist so much as an editor or curator, presiding > over the > storytelling equivalent of Sound and Spirit. > ____________________________________________________________________________________ The fish are biting. Get more visitors on your site using Yahoo! Search Marketing. http://searchmarketing.yahoo.com/arp/sponsoredsearch_v2.php _______________________________________________ Joe Frank Mailing List joe-frank-list@armory.com http://www.armory.com/mailman/listinfo.cgi/joe-frank-list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.armory.com/pipermail/joe-frank-list/attachments/20070220/d063ef22/attachment-0001.htm From majestic_cheese at yahoo.com Tue Feb 20 20:29:14 2007 From: majestic_cheese at yahoo.com (Larry Dunn) Date: Tue Feb 20 20:29:17 2007 Subject: [joe-frank-list] Re: Re: RE: Ira Glass etc In-Reply-To: <200702201201.ac19888@deepthought.armory.com> Message-ID: <280167.4487.qm@web30013.mail.mud.yahoo.com> From: Levent >There's this defensive kind of smugness at work in >TAL-- a kind of "I'm better than you" smugness >coupled with a "Don't hit me!" wimpiness. Yeah, although I'm not so sure how defensive it is -- half the time it's these educated hipster coastal types laughing at Middle Americans with some bizarre twist in their lives. They seek them out, so I think I'd call it offensive smugness. Plus there's what Lynda Barry said about ex-boyfriend Ira Glass in "One Hundred Demons," which only reinforces the image that he's this little princeling of a Chosen Person snob who laughs at all the clueless blue collar schmucks not privileged enough to have been born him. David Sedaris I have no such problems with. He can be savage, but in the end he's far more savage to himself than to anyone else. And he's extremely funny. Oh, and he gave us one of the greatest real-life characters ever -- his mother. Who would not love to be friends with David Sedaris's mother? ____________________________________________________________________________________ Finding fabulous fares is fun. Let Yahoo! FareChase search your favorite travel sites to find flight and hotel bargains. http://farechase.yahoo.com/promo-generic-14795097 From scs1 at theavocadopapers.com Tue Feb 20 20:36:53 2007 From: scs1 at theavocadopapers.com (Steve Schneider) Date: Tue Feb 20 20:37:04 2007 Subject: [joe-frank-list] Re: Re: RE: Ira Glass etc In-Reply-To: <280167.4487.qm@web30013.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <200702202037.aa13193@deepthought.armory.com> "Chosen Person snob"? -----Original Message----- From: joe-frank-list-bounces@armory.com [mailto:joe-frank-list-bounces@armory.com] On Behalf Of Larry Dunn Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2007 11:29 PM To: joe-frank-list@armory.com Subject: [joe-frank-list] Re: Re: RE: Ira Glass etc From: Levent >There's this defensive kind of smugness at work in >TAL-- a kind of "I'm better than you" smugness coupled with a "Don't >hit me!" wimpiness. Yeah, although I'm not so sure how defensive it is -- half the time it's these educated hipster coastal types laughing at Middle Americans with some bizarre twist in their lives. They seek them out, so I think I'd call it offensive smugness. Plus there's what Lynda Barry said about ex-boyfriend Ira Glass in "One Hundred Demons," which only reinforces the image that he's this little princeling of a Chosen Person snob who laughs at all the clueless blue collar schmucks not privileged enough to have been born him. David Sedaris I have no such problems with. He can be savage, but in the end he's far more savage to himself than to anyone else. And he's extremely funny. Oh, and he gave us one of the greatest real-life characters ever -- his mother. Who would not love to be friends with David Sedaris's mother? ____________________________________________________________________________ ________ Finding fabulous fares is fun. Let Yahoo! FareChase search your favorite travel sites to find flight and hotel bargains. http://farechase.yahoo.com/promo-generic-14795097 _______________________________________________ Joe Frank Mailing List joe-frank-list@armory.com http://www.armory.com/mailman/listinfo.cgi/joe-frank-list From heldj at mail.med.upenn.edu Wed Feb 21 06:48:11 2007 From: heldj at mail.med.upenn.edu (Jonathan A. Held) Date: Wed Feb 21 06:48:51 2007 Subject: [joe-frank-list] Re: Re: RE: Ira Glass etc In-Reply-To: <280167.4487.qm@web30013.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <200702201201.ac19888@deepthought.armory.com> <280167.4487.qm@web30013.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <001d01c755c7$4ec98130$7fa85b82@env.med.upenn.edu> If by "Chosen Person snob" you mean Jewish, what's his religion got to do with his snobbery? Sheesh. -----Original Message----- From: joe-frank-list-bounces@armory.com [mailto:joe-frank-list-bounces@armory.com] On Behalf Of Larry Dunn Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2007 11:29 PM To: joe-frank-list@armory.com Subject: [joe-frank-list] Re: Re: RE: Ira Glass etc From: Levent >There's this defensive kind of smugness at work in >TAL-- a kind of "I'm better than you" smugness coupled with a "Don't >hit me!" wimpiness. Yeah, although I'm not so sure how defensive it is -- half the time it's these educated hipster coastal types laughing at Middle Americans with some bizarre twist in their lives. They seek them out, so I think I'd call it offensive smugness. Plus there's what Lynda Barry said about ex-boyfriend Ira Glass in "One Hundred Demons," which only reinforces the image that he's this little princeling of a Chosen Person snob who laughs at all the clueless blue collar schmucks not privileged enough to have been born him. David Sedaris I have no such problems with. He can be savage, but in the end he's far more savage to himself than to anyone else. And he's extremely funny. Oh, and he gave us one of the greatest real-life characters ever -- his mother. Who would not love to be friends with David Sedaris's mother? ____________________________________________________________________________ ________ Finding fabulous fares is fun. Let Yahoo! FareChase search your favorite travel sites to find flight and hotel bargains. http://farechase.yahoo.com/promo-generic-14795097 _______________________________________________ Joe Frank Mailing List joe-frank-list@armory.com http://www.armory.com/mailman/listinfo.cgi/joe-frank-list From eric at mpsrarts.com Wed Feb 21 14:23:58 2007 From: eric at mpsrarts.com (Eric Close) Date: Wed Feb 21 14:24:07 2007 Subject: [joe-frank-list] Re: Re: RE: Ira Glass etc In-Reply-To: <3F2A9A60-2D49-4D81-B471-003BB2F1FA57@bresnan.net> References: <200702211200.ac26424@deepthought.armory.com> <3F2A9A60-2D49-4D81-B471-003BB2F1FA57@bresnan.net> Message-ID: <41680401-6609-4A69-A928-15F0BA474A34@mpsrarts.com> Sorry Levant I see I misquoted you I meant to say that I in no way read that when Larry Dunn said "Chosen Person snob" he was referring to the guys religion. On Feb 21, 2007, at 3:20 PM, Eric Close wrote: > Hey Jonathan, I in no way read that when Levant said "Chosen Person > snob" he was referring to the guys religion. A little hyper- > sensitive are we? From majestic_cheese at yahoo.com Wed Feb 21 19:00:35 2007 From: majestic_cheese at yahoo.com (Larry Dunn) Date: Wed Feb 21 19:00:39 2007 Subject: [joe-frank-list] Re: RE: Ira Glass etc In-Reply-To: <200702211200.ac26424@deepthought.armory.com> Message-ID: <917283.16659.qm@web30015.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- joe-frank-list-request@armory.com wrote: > "Chosen Person snob"? You're right, sorry about that. No need to be redundant. :D > If by "Chosen Person snob" you mean Jewish, what's > his religion got to do > with his snobbery? Sheesh. Just read the comic. It's Glass that makes an issue out of religion. ____________________________________________________________________________________ The fish are biting. Get more visitors on your site using Yahoo! Search Marketing. http://searchmarketing.yahoo.com/arp/sponsoredsearch_v2.php From phil at philblank.net Thu Feb 22 17:56:47 2007 From: phil at philblank.net (phil@philblank.net) Date: Thu Feb 22 17:56:50 2007 Subject: [joe-frank-list] Joe on Jean Shepherd In-Reply-To: <200702211200.ab26424@deepthought.armory.com> References: <200702211200.ab26424@deepthought.armory.com> Message-ID: <3568.24.225.80.136.1172195807.squirrel@webmail.philblank.net> Apologies if this has been listed before: Joe on Jean Shepherd: http://legacy.kcrw.com/specials/JeanShepherd.html (about 7 minutes in) You can listen to Jean here: http://shep-archives.com/ Joe- be well. From harold.johnson at gmail.com Fri Feb 23 11:01:15 2007 From: harold.johnson at gmail.com (Harold Johnson) Date: Fri Feb 23 11:03:23 2007 Subject: [joe-frank-list] Joe on Jean Shepherd In-Reply-To: <3568.24.225.80.136.1172195807.squirrel@webmail.philblank.net> References: <200702211200.ab26424@deepthought.armory.com> <3568.24.225.80.136.1172195807.squirrel@webmail.philblank.net> Message-ID: <2dbaf4d80702231101p8d77b16i990df0213ed172e6@mail.gmail.com> Yes, I've come across that before. In fact, this introduced me to Shepard's work; prior to this, I'd no idea he was the voice (and idea) behind The Christmas Story. Harold On 2/22/07, phil@philblank.net wrote: > > Apologies if this has been listed before: > > Joe on Jean Shepherd: > http://legacy.kcrw.com/specials/JeanShepherd.html (about 7 minutes in) > > You can listen to Jean here: http://shep-archives.com/ > > Joe- be well. > > _______________________________________________ > Joe Frank Mailing List > joe-frank-list@armory.com > http://www.armory.com/mailman/listinfo.cgi/joe-frank-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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See you at the forum! --W On 2/26/07, Sally wrote: > > > Ummm.... > I just noticed this. > Sorry if it's already been mentioned. > > http://www.frankophiles.com > > > > -- > What is an oilostatic? > sally@oilostatic.com > > > _______________________________________________ > Joe Frank Mailing List > joe-frank-list@armory.com > http://www.armory.com/mailman/listinfo.cgi/joe-frank-list > > From heldj at mail.med.upenn.edu Tue Feb 27 10:13:10 2007 From: heldj at mail.med.upenn.edu (Jonathan A. Held) Date: Tue Feb 27 10:13:52 2007 Subject: [joe-frank-list] Joe's forum message... Message-ID: <002c01c75a9a$f00a78b0$7fa85b82@env.med.upenn.edu> This made me laugh so hard, mice came out my nose. Joe Frank posted this to his MySpace account today: "The Joe Frank Team has given me the distressing news that my forum at Frankophiles.com has been launched. 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