From sendme at earthlink.net Thu Jun 1 13:04:22 2006 From: sendme at earthlink.net (sendme@earthlink.net) Date: Thu Jun 1 13:04:33 2006 Subject: [joe-frank-list] jf voiceover on commercial Message-ID: <410-2200664120421888@earthlink.net> Wonder if anyone has heard a commercial for high-def radio...it goes something like this: "there are secret radio stations, that broadcast between frequencies..." it's a very dramatic delivery and the voice sounds very much like jf. i haven't listened to any of his programs for quite a while so i may be mistaken. but if it is not his voice, it's someone with a voice very similar in timbre and rhythm. anyone heard this? ____________________________________________________________________________ Good night America, how are you? Say don't you know me? I'm your native son! I'm the train they call the City of New Orleans. I'll be gone 500 miles when the day is done. - Steve Goodman cindi sendme @earthlink.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.armory.com/pipermail/joe-frank-list/attachments/20060601/8251444c/attachment.htm From rholland356 at yahoo.com Thu Jun 1 17:31:32 2006 From: rholland356 at yahoo.com (Robert Holland) Date: Thu Jun 1 17:31:36 2006 Subject: [joe-frank-list] jf voiceover on commercial In-Reply-To: <410-2200664120421888@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <20060602003132.79569.qmail@web32514.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I could swear I'm hearing his voice in a lot of voiceover work, especially in tv advertising. But, you know, imitation is the sincerest form of flattery and in voice work, imitation is king. So, it could be Joe I'm hearing, it could be someone else. If it is Joe, then that means he's healthy and he's got work and that is a grand thing. --- "sendme@earthlink.net" wrote: > Wonder if anyone has heard a commercial for high-def > radio...it goes something like this: "there are > secret radio stations, that broadcast between > frequencies..." it's a very dramatic delivery and > the voice sounds very much like jf. i haven't > listened to any of his programs for quite a while so > i may be mistaken. but if it is not his voice, it's > someone with a voice very similar in timbre and > rhythm. anyone heard this? > > > ____________________________________________________________________________ > Good night America, how are you? > Say don't you know me? I'm your native son! > I'm the train they call the City of New Orleans. > I'll be gone 500 miles when the day is done. > - Steve Goodman > > cindi > sendme > @earthlink.net> _______________________________________________ > Joe Frank Mailing List > joe-frank-list@armory.com > http://www.armory.com/mailman/listinfo.cgi/joe-frank-list > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From majestic_cheese at yahoo.com Thu Jun 1 20:38:59 2006 From: majestic_cheese at yahoo.com (Larry Dunn) Date: Thu Jun 1 20:39:01 2006 Subject: [joe-frank-list] Re: joe-frank-list Digest, Vol 34, Issue 3 In-Reply-To: <200605311200.ac10910@deepthought.armory.com> Message-ID: <20060602033859.90122.qmail@web30003.mail.mud.yahoo.com> > From: Jeff Anton > Ummm... No. Night is two hours, two one hour Work > In Progress > shows from 1989. I have both parts which I recorded > over the air > back then with the NPR introductions. Ummm ... there's no need to be a prick about it. I was trying to answer the guy's question, so I went to the website and looked it up. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From stinkbug at mac.com Thu Jun 1 22:54:33 2006 From: stinkbug at mac.com (Blaine Betts) Date: Thu Jun 1 22:54:43 2006 Subject: [joe-frank-list] Re: Night pt.2 In-Reply-To: <200605301200.ab26447@deepthought.armory.com> Message-ID: <442A4E15-F1FC-11DA-A0EF-00306546DC84@mac.com> Back when Joe's site was just getting up and running, only Night 1 was available. When I wrote to ask about Night 2, I was told they were still sorting through tape masters and that when found, it too would be put on the site. Months later -- maybe a year -- I wrote and asked again, and was told they had been unsuccessful in finding the original Night 2 master. Night 1&2 was my introduction to JF, and will always be among my very favorite shows. While I think part 1 stands on its own pretty well, part 2 is equally good and you should track it down, if only to get the full story. - Blaine On Tuesday, May 30, 2006, at 12:00 PM, joe-frank-list-request@armory.com wrote: > From: bewareofdog@mac.com > Date: Tue May 30, 2006 2:04:40 AM US/Pacific > To: joe-frank-list@armory.com > Subject: [joe-frank-list] Night pt.2 > Reply-To: Joe Frank Mailing List > > > I was just going over the Joe Frank Wiki and saw a listing for Night > pt.2. On Joe's site, I only saw Night listed as a single episode > (which is a phenomenal episode). Any one out there have a copy of > Night pt.2? Is it as good as the first? > > Thanx in advance... From SpringyStepps at aol.com Thu Jun 1 23:08:34 2006 From: SpringyStepps at aol.com (SpringyStepps@aol.com) Date: Thu Jun 1 23:08:40 2006 Subject: [joe-frank-list] Re: Night pt.2 Message-ID: <257.aea34e6.31b12fe2@aol.com> This post about a lost Night 2 master reminds me of a short snippet from a program (possibly The Sacred? I'm not sure), in which a cascade of disappointment includes a reference to losing some original masters. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.armory.com/pipermail/joe-frank-list/attachments/20060602/b53dd129/attachment.htm From SpringyStepps at aol.com Thu Jun 1 23:14:40 2006 From: SpringyStepps at aol.com (SpringyStepps@aol.com) Date: Thu Jun 1 23:14:53 2006 Subject: [joe-frank-list] Re: Night pt.2 Message-ID: <3d9.34ab7a1.31b13150@aol.com> Oh -- the lost tapes reference was in Insomnia. Thanks to the Joe Frank Reminder for its synopses (I did a find on the word "masters.") If it's fact, not fiction, sadly there were 25 lost tapes. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.armory.com/pipermail/joe-frank-list/attachments/20060602/136f0218/attachment.htm From bobl at 1amsoftware.com Fri Jun 2 13:52:46 2006 From: bobl at 1amsoftware.com (Bob Lee) Date: Fri Jun 2 13:53:11 2006 Subject: [joe-frank-list] Re: Night pt.2 Message-ID: <200606022053.k52Kqv5M032414@lee.calldei.com> Humm Is there a list of the missing? Just thinking something Bob lee -----Original Message----- From: SpringyStepps@aol.com To: joe-frank-list@armory.com Sent: 6/2/06 2:14 AM Subject: Re: [joe-frank-list] Re: Night pt.2 Oh -- the lost tapes reference was in Insomnia. Thanks to the Joe Frank Reminder for its synopses (I did a find on the word "masters.") If it's fact, not fiction, sadly there were 25 lost tapes. From cox at franz.com Fri Jun 2 14:55:10 2006 From: cox at franz.com (Charles A. Cox) Date: Fri Jun 2 14:55:13 2006 Subject: [joe-frank-list] Re: Night pt.2 In-Reply-To: <442A4E15-F1FC-11DA-A0EF-00306546DC84@mac.com> (message from Blaine Betts on Thu, 1 Jun 2006 22:54:33 -0700) References: <442A4E15-F1FC-11DA-A0EF-00306546DC84@mac.com> Message-ID: <200606022155.k52LtAS13682@gemini.franz.com> > Night 1&2 was my introduction to JF, and will always be among my very > favorite shows. While I think part 1 stands on its own pretty well, > part 2 is equally good and you should track it down, if only to get the > full story. "Night" is the first JF I heard as well. I became a fan on the spot. I'm not familiar with the Part 1/2 breakdown. The version I heard (in 1986) was part of something called (I think) "NPR Playhouse". I seem to remember that the program was over an hour, so it likely was the whole story. In case it hasn't already been mentioned, "Night" is in JF's book, _The Queen of Puerto Rico and Other Stories_. I assume the complete story is there. At this point, though, it may be easier to find an audio recording than to find a copy of the book... Charley From SpringyStepps at aol.com Fri Jun 2 15:14:44 2006 From: SpringyStepps at aol.com (SpringyStepps@aol.com) Date: Fri Jun 2 15:14:53 2006 Subject: [joe-frank-list] Re: Night pt.2 Message-ID: <490.1c1ef06.31b21254@aol.com> I have the book, thanks to a thoughtful friend. But this post made me curious about its availability so I just went to amazon.com. As of today (June 2, 2006), there are 13 "used and new copies" available.-- Karen -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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As > of today (June 2, 2006), there are 13 "used and new copies" > available.-- Karen > _______________________________________________ > Joe Frank Mailing List > joe-frank-list@armory.com > http://www.armory.com/mailman/listinfo.cgi/joe-frank-list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.armory.com/pipermail/joe-frank-list/attachments/20060602/e8f79188/attachment.htm From billmilosz at aol.com Tue Jun 6 01:00:26 2006 From: billmilosz at aol.com (billmilosz@aol.com) Date: Tue Jun 6 01:00:39 2006 Subject: [joe-frank-list] I wonder; I hope Message-ID: <8C8575667FF0498-5AC-1335@mblk-d15.sysops.aol.com> May 2006 Update Coming: News from Joe. . . Free podcasts. . . More premium content. . . Will there be a June update I wonder? I hope so. I wonder how Joe's health is? As good as can be expected, I hope, or BETTER.... -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.armory.com/pipermail/joe-frank-list/attachments/20060606/1551b01b/attachment.htm From tjh219 at nyu.edu Tue Jun 6 12:22:50 2006 From: tjh219 at nyu.edu (Tayt J Harlin) Date: Tue Jun 6 12:22:55 2006 Subject: [joe-frank-list] Joe Frank Web Site Message-ID: I also hope there is an update, but I'm not holding my breath. I must say I'm disappointed by the site. It still lacks lots of vital information about the shows--music, synopses, etc.--and it offers little in addition to them. The site was clearly set up to generate money for Joe. I'm all for that. But it's basically dead. It will probably cease to exist after a while, and we'll be back to trading MP3s. From rholland356 at yahoo.com Tue Jun 6 12:51:33 2006 From: rholland356 at yahoo.com (Robert Holland) Date: Tue Jun 6 12:51:38 2006 Subject: [joe-frank-list] Joe Frank Web Site In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20060606195133.82691.qmail@web32512.mail.mud.yahoo.com> It would be soooo cool and useful if Joe's site featured a time generator. That is, you click on it and your life automatically rearranges itself around the Joe Frank show you have chosen to listen to, so that there are no interruptions. Or, it could be a time machine that makes you younger, taking you back to when you had plenty of time to kill and could devote huge amounts of it to listening to the best radio around. Sigh. Not that I'd wish to repeat *this life* (other than those long hours spent listening to the best radio...) Har! Robert --- Tayt J Harlin wrote: > I also hope there is an update, but I'm not holding > my breath. I must > say I'm disappointed by the site. It still lacks > lots of vital > information about the shows--music, synopses, > etc.--and it offers little > in addition to them. The site was clearly set up to > generate money for > Joe. I'm all for that. But it's basically dead. It > will probably cease > to exist after a while, and we'll be back to trading > MP3s. > _______________________________________________ > Joe Frank Mailing List > joe-frank-list@armory.com > http://www.armory.com/mailman/listinfo.cgi/joe-frank-list > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From ghastly_fop at yahoo.com Tue Jun 6 13:23:35 2006 From: ghastly_fop at yahoo.com (Levent) Date: Tue Jun 6 13:23:39 2006 Subject: [joe-frank-list] Joe Frank Web Site In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20060606202335.35799.qmail@web52511.mail.yahoo.com> I totally agree...last month, I finally ended my subscription after a year and a half. The new shows, in my opinion, were pretty fantastic, but you're right--despite promises to the contrary, the site is, for all intents and purposes, dead. I'll still be checking it in the hopes that there will be some kind of activity, but the hopes are dim. --- Tayt J Harlin wrote: > I also hope there is an update, but I'm not holding > my breath. I must > say I'm disappointed by the site. It still lacks > lots of vital > information about the shows--music, synopses, > etc.--and it offers little > in addition to them. The site was clearly set up to > generate money for > Joe. I'm all for that. But it's basically dead. It > will probably cease > to exist after a while, and we'll be back to trading > MP3s. > _______________________________________________ > Joe Frank Mailing List > joe-frank-list@armory.com > http://www.armory.com/mailman/listinfo.cgi/joe-frank-list > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From billmilosz at aol.com Tue Jun 6 14:53:57 2006 From: billmilosz at aol.com (billmilosz@aol.com) Date: Tue Jun 6 14:54:16 2006 Subject: [joe-frank-list] More Hope Message-ID: <8C857CAD8CA8EEE-17F8-2A30@MBLK-D29.sysops.aol.com> I hope the guys who put Joe's site together are reading this thread.... I know everyone over there at Joe, Inc. is super busy etc but they are gonna lose what membership they have if they begin regular updates, new info, news and other stuff- if the object is to earn some money for Joe, if they lose the membership then it's not going to generate as much money..... In the past there's been interest in volunteering to help the site out, but it seemed like the site felt they had all the staff they needed and no volunteers were enlisted....maybe the site never generated enough income to warrant running it as an "ongoing" effort, I don't know. ________________________________________________________________________ Check out AOL.com today. Breaking news, video search, pictures, email and IM. All on demand. Always Free. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.armory.com/pipermail/joe-frank-list/attachments/20060606/6091edf9/attachment.htm From bewareofdog at mac.com Tue Jun 6 16:47:24 2006 From: bewareofdog at mac.com (bewareofdog@mac.com) Date: Tue Jun 6 16:48:00 2006 Subject: [joe-frank-list] More Hope In-Reply-To: <8C857CAD8CA8EEE-17F8-2A30@MBLK-D29.sysops.aol.com> References: <8C857CAD8CA8EEE-17F8-2A30@MBLK-D29.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: There were a couple of updates in May, re: things to come, ...but I know how you all feel. I cancelled my membership awhile back due to lack of regular updates and sparse (if that) releasing of new content. However, I think it's important to remember that Joe has been very ill, and despite that fact, is working on a new series. So as much as we would all appreciate being kept up to date, let's appreciate the situation. I'm sure Joe and his web-slinging crew are all very serious about providing the best possible experience of JF's work. All in all, I think the promise of a "coming soon" forum and twice monthly *free* podcasts is a very good sign. Let's just hope it comes to fruition. From rholland356 at yahoo.com Tue Jun 6 16:54:41 2006 From: rholland356 at yahoo.com (Robert Holland) Date: Tue Jun 6 16:54:44 2006 Subject: [joe-frank-list] More Hope In-Reply-To: <8C857CAD8CA8EEE-17F8-2A30@MBLK-D29.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <20060606235441.693.qmail@web32501.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Joe uses words with precision, and so should you! How do you "know" everyone over there is super busy? You could "imagine" it, but "knowing" that they are super busy flies in the face of this lament that the site seems dead. Maybe they sit around all day listening to the archive, arguing about the identity of Kate, and drinking Grey Goose. And wouldn't that be ideal! --- billmilosz@aol.com wrote: > I hope the guys who put Joe's site together are > reading this thread.... I know everyone over there > at Joe, Inc. is super busy etc but they are gonna > lose what membership they have if they begin regular > updates, new info, news and other stuff- if the > object is to earn some money for Joe, if they lose > the membership then it's not going to generate as > much money..... In the past there's been interest > in volunteering to help the site out, but it seemed > like the site felt they had all the staff they > needed and no volunteers were enlisted....maybe the > site never generated enough income to warrant > running it as an "ongoing" effort, I don't know. > ________________________________________________________________________ > Check out AOL.com today. Breaking news, video > search, pictures, email and IM. All on demand. > Always Free. > > _______________________________________________ > Joe Frank Mailing List > joe-frank-list@armory.com > http://www.armory.com/mailman/listinfo.cgi/joe-frank-list > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From billmilosz at aol.com Tue Jun 6 17:08:09 2006 From: billmilosz at aol.com (billmilosz@aol.com) Date: Tue Jun 6 17:08:29 2006 Subject: [joe-frank-list] More Hope In-Reply-To: References: <8C857CAD8CA8EEE-17F8-2A30@MBLK-D29.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <8C857DD981FADF6-17F8-31FD@MBLK-D29.sysops.aol.com> I agree it's best to be patient- I know Joe's in poor health- but if the web site was intended as a way to create income, the key fact to note is that members are leaving. You yourself have left, and you are one of the folks who has an understanding of and compassion for Joe's health issues. So what I am saying is, if even loyal supporters are leaving the web site membership roll, if the site provides useful income then maybe the site needs more that will hold members. If there's a problem with a labor shortage to put that content on the site, I know there are people qualified to create or edit simple web content who have volunteered -but maybe even coordinating the volunteers is more work than Joe's staff can handle, I don't know the internal situation there. -----Original Message----- From: bewareofdog@mac.com To: Joe Frank Mailing List Sent: Tue, 6 Jun 2006 19:47:24 -0400 Subject: Re: [joe-frank-list] More Hope There were a couple of updates in May, re: things to come, ...but I know how you all feel. I cancelled my membership awhile back due to lack of regular updates and sparse (if that) releasing of new content. However, I think it's important to remember that Joe has been very ill, and despite that fact, is working on a new series. So as much as we would all appreciate being kept up to date, let's appreciate the situation. I'm sure Joe and his web-slinging crew are all very serious about providing the best possible experience of JF's work. All in all, I think the promise of a "coming soon" forum and twice monthly *free* podcasts is a very good sign. Let's just hope it comes to fruition. _______________________________________________ Joe Frank Mailing List joe-frank-list@armory.com http://www.armory.com/mailman/listinfo.cgi/joe-frank-list ________________________________________________________________________ Check out AOL.com today. Breaking news, video search, pictures, email and IM. All on demand. Always Free. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.armory.com/pipermail/joe-frank-list/attachments/20060606/d8d9a206/attachment.htm From billmilosz at aol.com Tue Jun 6 17:13:39 2006 From: billmilosz at aol.com (billmilosz@aol.com) Date: Tue Jun 6 17:14:01 2006 Subject: [joe-frank-list] More Hope In-Reply-To: <20060606235441.693.qmail@web32501.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <8C857DE5C97D1B6-17F8-3246@MBLK-D29.sysops.aol.com> I am using that word with precision. Here's the definition: To possess knowledge, understanding, or information. I know they are busy. One of the staff members, whom I trust, told me that they are busy. So, that is information that I possess. -----Original Message----- From: Robert Holland To: Joe Frank Mailing List Sent: Tue, 6 Jun 2006 16:54:41 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [joe-frank-list] More Hope Joe uses words with precision, and so should you! How do you "know" everyone over there is super busy? You could "imagine" it, but "knowing" that they are super busy flies in the face of this lament that the site seems dead. Maybe they sit around all day listening to the archive, arguing about the identity of Kate, and drinking Grey Goose. And wouldn't that be ideal! --- billmilosz@aol.com wrote: > I hope the guys who put Joe's site together are > reading this thread.... I know everyone over there > at Joe, Inc. is super busy etc but they are gonna > lose what membership they have if they begin regular > updates, new info, news and other stuff- if the > object is to earn some money for Joe, if they lose > the membership then it's not going to generate as > much money..... In the past there's been interest > in volunteering to help the site out, but it seemed > like the site felt they had all the staff they > needed and no volunteers were enlisted....maybe the > site never generated enough income to warrant > running it as an "ongoing" effort, I don't know. > ________________________________________________________________________ > Check out AOL.com today. Breaking news, video > search, pictures, email and IM. All on demand. > Always Free. > > _______________________________________________ > Joe Frank Mailing List > joe-frank-list@armory.com > http://www.armory.com/mailman/listinfo.cgi/joe-frank-list > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ Joe Frank Mailing List joe-frank-list@armory.com http://www.armory.com/mailman/listinfo.cgi/joe-frank-list ________________________________________________________________________ Check out AOL.com today. Breaking news, video search, pictures, email and IM. All on demand. Always Free. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.armory.com/pipermail/joe-frank-list/attachments/20060606/6aa1a464/attachment-0001.htm From majestic_cheese at yahoo.com Thu Jun 8 17:44:01 2006 From: majestic_cheese at yahoo.com (Larry Dunn) Date: Thu Jun 8 17:44:10 2006 Subject: [joe-frank-list] Joe Frank Web Site In-Reply-To: <200606061715.ac15423@deepthought.armory.com> Message-ID: <20060609004401.70486.qmail@web30013.mail.mud.yahoo.com> From: Levent >I totally agree...last month, I finally ended my >subscription after a year and a half. Oooh, I won't do that. This is Joe's say of keeping his material on the air after being shut down, shamefully, by KCRW. I'll support that as long as there is a site. His material is the best out there, period. I'm happy to underwrite that. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From mrdubway at hotmail.com Thu Jun 8 18:11:09 2006 From: mrdubway at hotmail.com (mike hurst) Date: Thu Jun 8 18:11:22 2006 Subject: [joe-frank-list] Night pt.2 In-Reply-To: <20060531004637.59337.qmail@web30012.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Is this Larry Block? I really like the part where Larry describes the woman he was in love with in New York and the seemingly inocuous moment where he realized that the relationship had begun to end. Thanks, Mike Hurst >From: Larry Dunn >Reply-To: Joe Frank Mailing List >To: joe-frank-list@armory.com >Subject: [joe-frank-list] Night pt.2 >Date: Tue, 30 May 2006 17:46:37 -0700 (PDT) > > > From: bewareofdog@mac.com > > > I was just going over the Joe Frank Wiki and saw a > > listing for Night > > pt.2. On Joe's site, I only saw Night listed as a > > single episode > > (which is a phenomenal episode). Any one out there > > have a copy of > > Night pt.2? Is it as good as the first? > >Night was an episode of "Work in Progress." It was a one-parter. > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around >http://mail.yahoo.com >_______________________________________________ >Joe Frank Mailing List >joe-frank-list@armory.com >http://www.armory.com/mailman/listinfo.cgi/joe-frank-list From sendme at earthlink.net Fri Jun 9 12:11:18 2006 From: sendme at earthlink.net (sendme@earthlink.net) Date: Fri Jun 9 12:11:24 2006 Subject: [joe-frank-list] joe's health Message-ID: <410-2200665919111868@earthlink.net> does anyone know anything about joe's health & whether he is doing OK? > [Original Message] > From: > To: > Date: 6/9/2006 12:00:09 PM > Subject: joe-frank-list Digest, Vol 35, Issue 6 > > Send joe-frank-list mailing list submissions to > joe-frank-list@armory.com > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://www.armory.com/mailman/listinfo.cgi/joe-frank-list > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > joe-frank-list-request@armory.com > > You can reach the person managing the list at > joe-frank-list-owner@armory.com > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of joe-frank-list digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Joe Frank Web Site (Larry Dunn) > 2. RE: Night pt.2 (mike hurst) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2006 17:44:01 -0700 (PDT) > From: Larry Dunn > Subject: Re: [joe-frank-list] Joe Frank Web Site > To: joe-frank-list@armory.com > Message-ID: <20060609004401.70486.qmail@web30013.mail.mud.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 > > From: Levent > > >I totally agree...last month, I finally ended my > >subscription after a year and a half. > > Oooh, I won't do that. This is Joe's say of keeping > his material on the air after being shut down, > shamefully, by KCRW. I'll support that as long as > there is a site. > > His material is the best out there, period. I'm happy > to underwrite that. > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Thu, 08 Jun 2006 18:11:09 -0700 > From: "mike hurst" > Subject: RE: [joe-frank-list] Night pt.2 > To: joe-frank-list@armory.com > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed > > Is this Larry Block? > > I really like the part where Larry describes the woman he was in love with > in New York and the seemingly inocuous moment where he realized that the > relationship had begun to end. > > Thanks, > Mike Hurst > > > >From: Larry Dunn > >Reply-To: Joe Frank Mailing List > >To: joe-frank-list@armory.com > >Subject: [joe-frank-list] Night pt.2 > >Date: Tue, 30 May 2006 17:46:37 -0700 (PDT) > > > > > From: bewareofdog@mac.com > > > > > I was just going over the Joe Frank Wiki and saw a > > > listing for Night > > > pt.2. On Joe's site, I only saw Night listed as a > > > single episode > > > (which is a phenomenal episode). Any one out there > > > have a copy of > > > Night pt.2? Is it as good as the first? > > > >Night was an episode of "Work in Progress." It was a one-parter. > > > >__________________________________________________ > >Do You Yahoo!? > >Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > >http://mail.yahoo.com > >_______________________________________________ > >Joe Frank Mailing List > >joe-frank-list@armory.com > >http://www.armory.com/mailman/listinfo.cgi/joe-frank-list > > > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Joe Frank Mailing List > joe-frank-list@armory.com > http://www.armory.com/mailman/listinfo.cgi/joe-frank-list > > > End of joe-frank-list Digest, Vol 35, Issue 6 > ********************************************* From harold.johnson at gmail.com Tue Jun 13 08:26:57 2006 From: harold.johnson at gmail.com (Harold Johnson) Date: Tue Jun 13 08:29:05 2006 Subject: [joe-frank-list] Joe Frank Web Site In-Reply-To: <20060609004401.70486.qmail@web30013.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <200606061715.ac15423@deepthought.armory.com> <20060609004401.70486.qmail@web30013.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <2dbaf4d80606130826m2f5ed941q5e1a70aea6d6a12a@mail.gmail.com> I'm with you there, Larry. It's *extremely* difficult to find artists of Joe's caliber out there. (Haven't found any yet!) I'd rather subscribe and always have access to Joe's recordings, new or not, and be supporting the artist in the process. Harold On 6/8/06, Larry Dunn wrote: > > From: Levent > > >I totally agree...last month, I finally ended my > >subscription after a year and a half. > > Oooh, I won't do that. This is Joe's say of keeping > his material on the air after being shut down, > shamefully, by KCRW. I'll support that as long as > there is a site. > > His material is the best out there, period. I'm happy > to underwrite that. > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > Joe Frank Mailing List > joe-frank-list@armory.com > http://www.armory.com/mailman/listinfo.cgi/joe-frank-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.armory.com/pipermail/joe-frank-list/attachments/20060613/fac64a84/attachment.htm From majestic_cheese at yahoo.com Tue Jun 13 18:33:20 2006 From: majestic_cheese at yahoo.com (Larry Dunn) Date: Tue Jun 13 18:33:23 2006 Subject: [joe-frank-list] Joe Frank Web Site In-Reply-To: <200606131200.ac10598@deepthought.armory.com> Message-ID: <20060614013320.39026.qmail@web30009.mail.mud.yahoo.com> > From: "Harold Johnson" > I'm with you there, Larry. It's *extremely* > difficult to find artists of > Joe's caliber out there. (Haven't found any yet!) > I'd rather subscribe and > always have access to Joe's recordings, new or not, > and be supporting the > artist in the process. Amen to that, and we should remember that the site has not been updated with new material because Joe was critically ill and is still recovering (at least, I hope he's recovering). To abandon him at such a time is not something I'm prepared to do. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From ghastly_fop at yahoo.com Tue Jun 13 21:43:41 2006 From: ghastly_fop at yahoo.com (Levent) Date: Tue Jun 13 21:43:48 2006 Subject: [joe-frank-list] Joe Frank Web Site In-Reply-To: <20060614013320.39026.qmail@web30009.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20060614044341.77598.qmail@web52506.mail.yahoo.com> Well, it's admirable, I guess, that you continue to support Joe by continuing to subscribe to his very poorly maintained web site (and while I imagine it's been very tough on whoever's responsible for the site, it's still a business, and we're still customers, as well as patrons, of Joe's art). There are many other artists I do support... writers... muscicians... filmmakers...and as a result I'm an avid consumer of music, books, and dvds. To that extent, how does one really consume and support an artist's work? Do you shell out the $15 for a cd for the license to listen to it? Would you pay a monthly fee for temporary access to this musician's entire catalog? Do you buy a book, read it, and leave it on the shelf for possible future consultation? Or would you pay a monthly fee to be able to access that writer's body of work, but only on a computer screen? Either way, you've made a one-time payment for the right to access this work, and to have it at arm's length. Supporting someone's work on a subscription basis is a dicier idea. And although it pains me to say it, the site presents Joe's work in a horrible format (windows media??). It's like paying for a book but getting a smudgy photocopy. The money I spent on my subscription to Joe's site could have paid for quite a few cds of his shows, and I wouldn't have had to sit at my fucking computer to listen to them. I'll take new Joe shows any way I can, and the most recent shows are among the very, very best, and had they been offered for sale on cd, I'd gladly have shelled out for them. But they weren't. And the promise of new content--the reason I became a subscriber--ended well over a year ago. I absolutely love Joe's work, and have benefitted from it in countless ways, and it really pained me to discontinue my subscription, especially after finally discovering the extent of his illness, but I couldn't rationalize it. If things improve, I'll gladly resubscribe. --- Larry Dunn wrote: > > From: "Harold Johnson" > > > I'm with you there, Larry. It's *extremely* > > difficult to find artists of > > Joe's caliber out there. (Haven't found any yet!) > > > I'd rather subscribe and > > always have access to Joe's recordings, new or > not, > > and be supporting the > > artist in the process. > > Amen to that, and we should remember that the site > has > not been updated with new material because Joe was > critically ill and is still recovering (at least, I > hope he's recovering). To abandon him at such a > time > is not something I'm prepared to do. > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > Joe Frank Mailing List > joe-frank-list@armory.com > http://www.armory.com/mailman/listinfo.cgi/joe-frank-list > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From SpringyStepps at aol.com Tue Jun 13 21:57:06 2006 From: SpringyStepps at aol.com (SpringyStepps@aol.com) Date: Tue Jun 13 21:57:17 2006 Subject: [joe-frank-list] Joe Frank Web Site Message-ID: <4b2.243efe3.31c0f122@aol.com> With my pitiful dial-up and even more pitiful computer skills, I'm very content with buying favorite shows on CDs. They're great quality. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.armory.com/pipermail/joe-frank-list/attachments/20060614/2c49d289/attachment.htm From awkwardgrace at yahoo.com Tue Jun 13 22:34:59 2006 From: awkwardgrace at yahoo.com (Tom McDonald) Date: Tue Jun 13 22:35:02 2006 Subject: [joe-frank-list] Joe Frank Web Site In-Reply-To: <20060614044341.77598.qmail@web52506.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20060614053459.56412.qmail@web51813.mail.yahoo.com> I feel much the same way. Hats off to those who support the artist and pony up the $$$ despite their complaints about the site. But as much as I love the work, I can't summon any enthusiasm for the website with the unfortunate format, presentation, and delivery mechanisms. The cruel irony is that we are in a period where getting access to great voices and visions and music and words is dizzyingly easy. An embarrassment of riches. Youtube, iTunes, podcasts, peer-to-peer file sharing networks, all these open up archives of dusty wonders and new marvels everyday, and all sorts of the worst dreck imaginable from the mass media and independent voices. But Joe's stuff isn't circulating because of the way it's currently offered. Enough whining: here's a couple links, just some random recent finds that might appeal to Frank fans. Or might not. http://archinect.com/features/article.php?id=35223_0_23_0_C http://youtube.com/watch?v=YYVec1FNNbA&search=tom%20waits > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > Joe Frank Mailing List > joe-frank-list@armory.com > http://www.armory.com/mailman/listinfo.cgi/joe-frank-list > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From billmilosz at aol.com Wed Jun 14 02:26:19 2006 From: billmilosz at aol.com (billmilosz@aol.com) Date: Wed Jun 14 02:26:25 2006 Subject: [joe-frank-list] A good discussion Message-ID: <8C85DABBA532A40-518-4ECD@mblk-d17.sysops.aol.com> This discussion of the Joe Frank site has been quite interesting. Many valid points raised from various points of view. ________________________________________________________________________ Check out AOL.com today. Breaking news, video search, pictures, email and IM. All on demand. Always Free. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: http://www.armory.com/pipermail/joe-frank-list/attachments/20060614/07e127cc/attachment.htm From majestic_cheese at yahoo.com Wed Jun 14 18:21:04 2006 From: majestic_cheese at yahoo.com (Larry Dunn) Date: Wed Jun 14 18:21:10 2006 Subject: [joe-frank-list] Joe Frank Web Site In-Reply-To: <200606141200.ac24416@deepthought.armory.com> Message-ID: <20060615012104.47639.qmail@web30012.mail.mud.yahoo.com> From: Levent >Well, it's admirable, I guess, that you continue to >support Joe by continuing to subscribe to his very >poorly maintained web site To be frank, if you have to guess (especially via a clumsy left-handed compliment), you just don't get it. >(and while I imagine it's >been very tough on whoever's responsible for the >site, it's still a business, and we're still >customers, as well as patrons, of Joe's art). If I saw Joe's work as a commodity, I might agree. But I don't. I don't look at supporting Joe and his work as interchangable with buying a latte or the latest New Pornographers album or whatever. For years I turned on the radio and there were these amazing shows, definitely not interchangable with a latte or the latest band. And they were totally free. Will I spend money to support the complete library of those shows, and get access to the full library? Sure. I'm not one of these tech-geeks who must get his content delivered to him in precisely format he demands, or declare it "unacceptable." I'm simply not that fussy. I guess looking at the format instead of the essence of the content is what passes for critique in our disposable culture. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From ghastly_fop at yahoo.com Wed Jun 14 20:06:23 2006 From: ghastly_fop at yahoo.com (Levent) Date: Wed Jun 14 20:06:27 2006 Subject: [joe-frank-list] Joe Frank Web Site In-Reply-To: <20060615012104.47639.qmail@web30012.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20060615030623.29748.qmail@web52512.mail.yahoo.com> Thanks, Larry, I rely on your penetrating insights and thoughtful commentary to elevate the level of discourse on this list. --- Larry Dunn wrote: > From: Levent > > >Well, it's admirable, I guess, that you continue to > >support Joe by continuing to subscribe to his very > >poorly maintained web site > > To be frank, if you have to guess (especially via a > clumsy left-handed compliment), you just don't get > it. > > >(and while I imagine it's > >been very tough on whoever's responsible for the > >site, it's still a business, and we're still > >customers, as well as patrons, of Joe's art). > > If I saw Joe's work as a commodity, I might agree. > But I don't. I don't look at supporting Joe and his > work as interchangable with buying a latte or the > latest New Pornographers album or whatever. > > For years I turned on the radio and there were these > amazing shows, definitely not interchangable with a > latte or the latest band. And they were totally > free. > Will I spend money to support the complete library > of > those shows, and get access to the full library? > Sure. I'm not one of these tech-geeks who must get > his content delivered to him in precisely format he > demands, or declare it "unacceptable." I'm simply > not > that fussy. > > I guess looking at the format instead of the essence > of the content is what passes for critique in our > disposable culture. > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > Joe Frank Mailing List > joe-frank-list@armory.com > http://www.armory.com/mailman/listinfo.cgi/joe-frank-list > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From bobl at 1amsoftware.com Wed Jun 14 22:30:28 2006 From: bobl at 1amsoftware.com (Bob Lee) Date: Wed Jun 14 22:40:59 2006 Subject: [joe-frank-list] Joe Frank Web Site References: <20060615012104.47639.qmail@web30012.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <018101c6903d$d0af9310$446ef544@IBMBOBSX30> Sort of full of yourself Larry. ROFL with this one.. "I'm not one of these tech-geeks who must get his content delivered to him in precisely format he demands, or declare it "unacceptable." I'm simply not that fussy." Hey, I got some cassettes tapes of Joe laying around. No tape player anymore Want some ? They were good quality back in the early 90's when I recorded them... Today, its all about the delivery.. Just look at what Sprint and Verizon are doing, not to mention NBC etc.. Television, and Videos pumped to your cell phones. Sure none of us who ever listened to an hour of Joe ever would find ourselves looking at a cell phone to see last nights episode of LOST.. Media and technology keep moving along with ever increasing speed, and somehow people are keeping up with it.. Just because you pigeon hole us tech-geeks doesn't mean what we do is any less important to the world. Sure I would love to bring back the old days, with Joe on Sunday morning, But its not going to happen.. Now the best I can do is listen to Joe on my subway ride into work on my MP3 player. Its not radio, but it does fill the gap.. But the JoeFrank website, with the way it does not allow one to save the content doesn't give the user the ability to listen to Joe over and over.. and I think we could all agree, that listening to a Joe a second/ third or fourth time brings new meaning to the work... I for one don't like to be strapped to my computer to listen to a Joe.. would much rather have it in a car or on my portable, and I applaud the joefrank.com web site for starting the effort to publish the works in podcast format. That is a great step in the right direction. Bob Lee ----- Original Message ----- From: "Larry Dunn" To: Sent: Wednesday, June 14, 2006 6:21 PM Subject: Re: [joe-frank-list] Joe Frank Web Site > From: Levent > >>Well, it's admirable, I guess, that you continue to >>support Joe by continuing to subscribe to his very >>poorly maintained web site > > To be frank, if you have to guess (especially via a > clumsy left-handed compliment), you just don't get it. > >>(and while I imagine it's >>been very tough on whoever's responsible for the >>site, it's still a business, and we're still >>customers, as well as patrons, of Joe's art). > > If I saw Joe's work as a commodity, I might agree. > But I don't. I don't look at supporting Joe and his > work as interchangable with buying a latte or the > latest New Pornographers album or whatever. > > For years I turned on the radio and there were these > amazing shows, definitely not interchangable with a > latte or the latest band. And they were totally free. > Will I spend money to support the complete library of > those shows, and get access to the full library? > Sure. I'm not one of these tech-geeks who must get > his content delivered to him in precisely format he > demands, or declare it "unacceptable." I'm simply not > that fussy. > > I guess looking at the format instead of the essence > of the content is what passes for critique in our > disposable culture. > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > Joe Frank Mailing List > joe-frank-list@armory.com > http://www.armory.com/mailman/listinfo.cgi/joe-frank-list > From billmilosz at aol.com Wed Jun 14 22:50:40 2006 From: billmilosz at aol.com (billmilosz@aol.com) Date: Wed Jun 14 22:50:49 2006 Subject: [joe-frank-list] Another show - wiretap In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8C85E56C47DC764-178C-1CDF@mblk-d19.sysops.aol.com> This American Life has Joe Frank ties? Cool, I'll have to buy one.... ;-) -----Original Message----- From: Matt S To: Joe Frank Mailing List Sent: Wed, 14 Jun 2006 06:46:54 -0400 Subject: [joe-frank-list] Another show - wiretap I don't think it has been mentioned here before but another show that Joe Frank fans may be interested in checking out is the CBC's Wiretap, written/performed/produced (with others) by Jonathan Goldstein, probably best known as a contributor to This American Life (that has its own Joe Frank ties). official site: http://www.cbc.ca/wiretap/ Unofficial rss feed / archive: http://redjar.org/jared/blog/archives/category/radio/wiretap/feed/ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! MSN Messenger = _______________________________________________ Joe Frank Mailing List joe-frank-list@armory.com http://www.armory.com/mailman/listinfo.cgi/joe-frank-list ________________________________________________________________________ Check out AOL.com today. Breaking news, video search, pictures, email and IM. All on demand. Always Free. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.armory.com/pipermail/joe-frank-list/attachments/20060615/a953abf6/attachment.htm From majestic_cheese at yahoo.com Thu Jun 15 18:01:42 2006 From: majestic_cheese at yahoo.com (Larry Dunn) Date: Thu Jun 15 18:01:45 2006 Subject: [joe-frank-list] Re: joe-frank-list Digest, Vol 35, Issue 10 In-Reply-To: <200606151200.ac18746@deepthought.armory.com> Message-ID: <20060616010142.30295.qmail@web30003.mail.mud.yahoo.com> From: Levent > Thanks, Larry, I rely on your penetrating insights > and > thoughtful commentary to elevate the level of > discourse on this list. As well you should, my boy, as well you should. Meanwhile, there is that most penetrating of all insights: "Joe Frank is not compatible with my iPod, so FUCK HIM!" :D __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From billmilosz at aol.com Thu Jun 15 18:23:58 2006 From: billmilosz at aol.com (billmilosz@aol.com) Date: Thu Jun 15 18:24:12 2006 Subject: [joe-frank-list] Re: joe-frank-list Digest, Vol 35, Issue 10 In-Reply-To: <20060616010142.30295.qmail@web30003.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <8C85EFAACFF0CD8-11B4-1714@mblk-d17.sysops.aol.com> Can we get along here? Can we all get along? -----Original Message----- From: Larry Dunn To: joe-frank-list@armory.com Sent: Thu, 15 Jun 2006 18:01:42 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [joe-frank-list] Re: joe-frank-list Digest, Vol 35, Issue 10 From: Levent > Thanks, Larry, I rely on your penetrating insights > and > thoughtful commentary to elevate the level of > discourse on this list. As well you should, my boy, as well you should. Meanwhile, there is that most penetrating of all insights: "Joe Frank is not compatible with my iPod, so FUCK HIM!" :D __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ Joe Frank Mailing List joe-frank-list@armory.com http://www.armory.com/mailman/listinfo.cgi/joe-frank-list ________________________________________________________________________ Check out AOL.com today. Breaking news, video search, pictures, email and IM. All on demand. Always Free. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: http://www.armory.com/pipermail/joe-frank-list/attachments/20060618/526d9409/attachment.htm From sally at oilostatic.com Sun Jun 18 16:05:36 2006 From: sally at oilostatic.com (Sally) Date: Sun Jun 18 16:05:46 2006 Subject: [joe-frank-list] Jack Kornfield In-Reply-To: References: <20051230010929.96174.qmail@web30006.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I would absolutely love to hear what everyone's take on Jack Kornfield is, and what they think Joe's take on him is. I initially regarded them ironically, and assumed Joe was using them as counterpoint to Debi (who seems after a sense of spiritual fulfillment) and also sometimes Larry (who seems to misunderstand Jack completely). But, now I've actually gotten really into them. I feel like Joe is using them to condemn Debi and Larry's world view. But, then, does Joe subscribe to Jack's philosophies? -- What is an oilostatic? sally@oilostatic.com From spblat at gmail.com Sun Jun 18 17:13:03 2006 From: spblat at gmail.com (Will Irace) Date: Sun Jun 18 17:15:14 2006 Subject: [joe-frank-list] Hey check this out In-Reply-To: <8C8613320CED1B0-1518-6DDD@mblk-d11.sysops.aol.com> References: <8C8613320CED1B0-1518-6DDD@mblk-d11.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: This is outstanding. Please support Joe Frank if you subscribe to the podcast; there's a link right there on the podcast page. Let's encourage Joe to continue to put these out! I am encouraged and excited by this development. I have re-subscribed to joefrank.com, re-enabled editing at www.jfwiki.org, and added a link to the inaugural podcast show on the front page. If you're not familiar with the (totally unofficial) Joe Frank Wiki, now might be a good time to drop by and say hello. I love the idea that these shows might start dribbling out on a regular basis for us to listen to them (and perhaps discuss) anew. --W On 6/18/06, billmilosz@aol.com wrote: > > OK it seems now all of you with iPods can get your Joe Frank fix, > > see http://www.joefrank.com/cast/ > > > ------------------------------ > *Check out AOL.com today*. > Breaking news, video search, pictures, email and IM. All on demand. Always > Free. > > _______________________________________________ > Joe Frank Mailing List > joe-frank-list@armory.com > http://www.armory.com/mailman/listinfo.cgi/joe-frank-list > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.armory.com/pipermail/joe-frank-list/attachments/20060618/c828708e/attachment.htm From ghastly_fop at yahoo.com Sun Jun 18 17:52:49 2006 From: ghastly_fop at yahoo.com (Levent) Date: Sun Jun 18 17:52:52 2006 Subject: [joe-frank-list] Hey check this out In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20060619005249.79016.qmail@web52501.mail.yahoo.com> Hell yeah...I'm resubscribing. --- Will Irace wrote: > This is outstanding. Please support Joe Frank if you > subscribe to the > podcast; there's a link right there on the podcast > page. Let's encourage > Joe to continue to put these out! > > I am encouraged and excited by this development. I > have re-subscribed to > joefrank.com, re-enabled editing at www.jfwiki.org, > and added a link to the > inaugural podcast show on the front page. If you're > not familiar with the > (totally unofficial) Joe Frank Wiki, now might be a > good time to drop by and > say hello. I love the idea that these shows might > start dribbling out on a > regular basis for us to listen to them (and perhaps > discuss) anew. > > --W > > On 6/18/06, billmilosz@aol.com > wrote: > > > > OK it seems now all of you with iPods can get > your Joe Frank fix, > > > > see http://www.joefrank.com/cast/ > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > *Check out AOL.com > today*. > > Breaking news, video search, pictures, email and > IM. All on demand. Always > > Free. > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Joe Frank Mailing List > > joe-frank-list@armory.com > > > http://www.armory.com/mailman/listinfo.cgi/joe-frank-list > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Joe Frank Mailing List > joe-frank-list@armory.com > http://www.armory.com/mailman/listinfo.cgi/joe-frank-list > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From billmilosz at aol.com Sun Jun 18 18:51:07 2006 From: billmilosz at aol.com (billmilosz@aol.com) Date: Sun Jun 18 18:51:16 2006 Subject: [joe-frank-list] Jack Kornfield In-Reply-To: References: <20051230010929.96174.qmail@web30006.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <8C86159F70CD4D0-1BD8-2F75@mblk-d16.sysops.aol.com> I think like many Westerners, Joe has found no solid answers in science, monotheistic religion or academic political philosophy, and is just fascinated by Buddhist concepts; he finds the Konfield lectures an approachable entrance to this view of reality. I don't know if Joe consciously does things like use Kornfield to show Debi or Larry in a bad light. He presents all these things and they speak for themselves, and then the listeners bring their own exsting baggage through which the programs are filtered.... My personal reaction to Kornfield, he reminds me of a seminar-circuit guru, the type they now use as mainstays on PBS telethons in the major TV markets. If he weren't pitching mindfulness-in-the-moment he could have a soild career explaining balanced investment strategies and debt reduction techniques to paying students at the airport Holiday Inn. What seems a variation on the short con to someone from Chicago is apparently a legitimate professional occupation in Los Angeles.... that's my partly my "take" - the vibe I get from Kornfield. It's my perception, but then I'm a curmudgeon. He's probably totally sincere and innocent in feeling he has been "called" to do what he does, but to my way of thinking if you are truly enlightened you just sit in the audience with your beatific smile rather than mounting the stage, because the ineffable can't be taught- -----Original Message----- From: Sally To: Joe Frank Mailing List Sent: Sun, 18 Jun 2006 19:05:36 -0400 Subject: [joe-frank-list] Jack Kornfield I would absolutely love to hear what everyone's take on Jack Kornfield is, and what they think Joe's take on him is. I initially regarded them ironically, and assumed Joe was using them as counterpoint to Debi (who seems after a sense of spiritual fulfillment) and also sometimes Larry (who seems to misunderstand Jack completely). But, now I've actually gotten really into them. I feel like Joe is using them to condemn Debi and Larry's world view. But, then, does Joe subscribe to Jack's philosophies? -- What is an oilostatic? sally@oilostatic.com _______________________________________________ Joe Frank Mailing List joe-frank-list@armory.com http://www.armory.com/mailman/listinfo.cgi/joe-frank-list ________________________________________________________________________ Check out AOL.com today. Breaking news, video search, pictures, email and IM. All on demand. Always Free. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.armory.com/pipermail/joe-frank-list/attachments/20060618/0959e55d/attachment.htm From karenladeeda at aol.com Sun Jun 18 19:47:41 2006 From: karenladeeda at aol.com (karenladeeda@aol.com) Date: Sun Jun 18 19:47:49 2006 Subject: [joe-frank-list] Jack Kornfield In-Reply-To: References: <20051230010929.96174.qmail@web30006.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <8C86161DE16F9FA-18EC-96CE@FWM-M06.sysops.aol.com> I have bought a couple of jack's cds just from hearing him on joes shows. I get a lot out of him, actually. -----Original Message----- From: Sally To: Joe Frank Mailing List Sent: Sun, 18 Jun 2006 19:05:36 -0400 Subject: [joe-frank-list] Jack Kornfield I would absolutely love to hear what everyone's take on Jack Kornfield is, and what they think Joe's take on him is. I initially regarded them ironically, and assumed Joe was using them as counterpoint to Debi (who seems after a sense of spiritual fulfillment) and also sometimes Larry (who seems to misunderstand Jack completely). But, now I've actually gotten really into them. I feel like Joe is using them to condemn Debi and Larry's world view. But, then, does Joe subscribe to Jack's philosophies? -- What is an oilostatic? sally@oilostatic.com _______________________________________________ Joe Frank Mailing List joe-frank-list@armory.com http://www.armory.com/mailman/listinfo.cgi/joe-frank-list ________________________________________________________________________ Check out AOL.com today. Breaking news, video search, pictures, email and IM. All on demand. Always Free. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.armory.com/pipermail/joe-frank-list/attachments/20060618/32fd2467/attachment.htm From antonjf at hesiod.org Sun Jun 18 21:48:26 2006 From: antonjf at hesiod.org (Jeff Anton) Date: Sun Jun 18 21:48:34 2006 Subject: [joe-frank-list] Jack Kornfield In-Reply-To: References: <20051230010929.96174.qmail@web30006.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <44962C9A.6030906@hesiod.org> It took quite a while for me to stop being annoyed by Jack's voice in Joe's work. For me, Jack seems like a pale, monotone and overly simple version of Alan Watts. Having heard many of the recordings of Alan Watts' lectures, Jack puts me to sleep. Alan's talks and stories seem very much more like Joe's work to me. I've also thought that Joe might have run out of his own point of view. Joe's early work was often actors doing some reading with Joe as a kind of narrator or chorus pointing something out. When Jack Kornfield showed up, I felt that Joe deligated the narrator/chorus role to Jack because so much of those shows are Joe and Frank or Debi on the phone. Jeff Anton Sally wrote: > > I would absolutely love to hear what everyone's take on Jack Kornfield > is, and what they think Joe's take on him is. > > I initially regarded them ironically, and assumed Joe was using them as > counterpoint to Debi (who seems after a sense of spiritual fulfillment) > and also sometimes Larry (who seems to misunderstand Jack completely). > But, now I've actually gotten really into them. I feel like Joe is > using them to condemn Debi and Larry's world view. But, then, does Joe > subscribe to Jack's philosophies? > > -- > What is an oilostatic? > sally@oilostatic.com > > > _______________________________________________ > Joe Frank Mailing List > joe-frank-list@armory.com > http://www.armory.com/mailman/listinfo.cgi/joe-frank-list > > From sally at oilostatic.com Sun Jun 18 22:04:12 2006 From: sally at oilostatic.com (Sally) Date: Sun Jun 18 22:04:25 2006 Subject: [joe-frank-list] Jack Kornfield In-Reply-To: <44962C9A.6030906@hesiod.org> References: <20051230010929.96174.qmail@web30006.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <44962C9A.6030906@hesiod.org> Message-ID: Who is Alan Watts? On Jun 19, 2006, at 12:48 AM, Jeff Anton wrote: > It took quite a while for me to stop being annoyed by Jack's voice > in Joe's work. For me, Jack seems like a pale, monotone and overly > simple version of Alan Watts. Having heard many of the recordings > of Alan Watts' lectures, Jack puts me to sleep. Alan's talks and > stories seem very much more like Joe's work to me. I've also thought > that Joe might have run out of his own point of view. Joe's early > work was often actors doing some reading with Joe as a kind of > narrator or chorus pointing something out. When Jack Kornfield > showed up, I felt that Joe deligated the narrator/chorus role to > Jack because so much of those shows are Joe and Frank or Debi on > the phone. > > Jeff Anton > > Sally wrote: >> I would absolutely love to hear what everyone's take on Jack >> Kornfield is, and what they think Joe's take on him is. >> I initially regarded them ironically, and assumed Joe was using >> them as counterpoint to Debi (who seems after a sense of >> spiritual fulfillment) and also sometimes Larry (who seems to >> misunderstand Jack completely). But, now I've actually gotten >> really into them. I feel like Joe is using them to condemn Debi >> and Larry's world view. But, then, does Joe subscribe to Jack's >> philosophies? >> -- >> What is an oilostatic? >> sally@oilostatic.com >> _______________________________________________ >> Joe Frank Mailing List >> joe-frank-list@armory.com >> http://www.armory.com/mailman/listinfo.cgi/joe-frank-list > _______________________________________________ > Joe Frank Mailing List > joe-frank-list@armory.com > http://www.armory.com/mailman/listinfo.cgi/joe-frank-list -- What is an oilostatic? sally@oilostatic.com From SpringyStepps at aol.com Sun Jun 18 22:42:26 2006 From: SpringyStepps at aol.com (SpringyStepps@aol.com) Date: Sun Jun 18 22:42:35 2006 Subject: [joe-frank-list] Jack Kornfield Message-ID: <4f1.90a0d9.31c79342@aol.com> I've always thought of any spiritual character who shows up in Joe's work, whether it's Jack or Jesus (the woman at the bar), as Joe's own spiritual longing -- whether he's consciously aware of it or not. Maybe I'm wrong, but it seems to me that someone who has God on his mind as much as Joe does is thirsting for truth and inner peace. To me, this search that I sense, along with the possibility that, in fact, he actually has settled all this for himself and but has tapped into everyone else's midnight (or lunch hour) of the soul, is the single most entrancing thing about Joe's work. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.armory.com/pipermail/joe-frank-list/attachments/20060619/9a197bc9/attachment.htm From antonjf at hesiod.org Mon Jun 19 08:28:40 2006 From: antonjf at hesiod.org (Jeff Anton) Date: Mon Jun 19 08:28:48 2006 Subject: [joe-frank-list] Jack Kornfield In-Reply-To: References: <20051230010929.96174.qmail@web30006.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <44962C9A.6030906@hesiod.org> Message-ID: <4496C2A8.7080901@hesiod.org> Do a web search and you'll find lots of pages. The wikipedia entry is pretty good. It occurs to me that Alan Watts is like a bridge between Jack Kornfield and Joe Frank. Alan is like Jack in that they both were westerners who taught eastern philosophy and did that in Marin county California. Alan is like Joe in that they both struggle with alcohol, were radio broadcasters of stories and philosophy, and avoided wars. This web page is a transcript of a radio broadcast Alan made in the 60's or early 70's. For me, it reads very much like a Joe monolog show. http://www.publicappeal.org/library/unicorn/watts/the_value_of_psychotic_experience.htm Jeff Anton Sally wrote: > > Who is Alan Watts? > > On Jun 19, 2006, at 12:48 AM, Jeff Anton wrote: > >> It took quite a while for me to stop being annoyed by Jack's voice >> in Joe's work. For me, Jack seems like a pale, monotone and overly >> simple version of Alan Watts. Having heard many of the recordings >> of Alan Watts' lectures, Jack puts me to sleep. Alan's talks and >> stories seem very much more like Joe's work to me. I've also thought >> that Joe might have run out of his own point of view. Joe's early >> work was often actors doing some reading with Joe as a kind of >> narrator or chorus pointing something out. When Jack Kornfield >> showed up, I felt that Joe deligated the narrator/chorus role to >> Jack because so much of those shows are Joe and Frank or Debi on >> the phone. >> >> Jeff Anton >> >> Sally wrote: >> >>> I would absolutely love to hear what everyone's take on Jack >>> Kornfield is, and what they think Joe's take on him is. >>> I initially regarded them ironically, and assumed Joe was using >>> them as counterpoint to Debi (who seems after a sense of spiritual >>> fulfillment) and also sometimes Larry (who seems to misunderstand >>> Jack completely). But, now I've actually gotten really into them. I >>> feel like Joe is using them to condemn Debi and Larry's world view. >>> But, then, does Joe subscribe to Jack's philosophies? >>> -- >>> What is an oilostatic? >>> sally@oilostatic.com >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Joe Frank Mailing List >>> joe-frank-list@armory.com >>> http://www.armory.com/mailman/listinfo.cgi/joe-frank-list >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Joe Frank Mailing List >> joe-frank-list@armory.com >> http://www.armory.com/mailman/listinfo.cgi/joe-frank-list > > > -- > What is an oilostatic? > sally@oilostatic.com > > > _______________________________________________ > Joe Frank Mailing List > joe-frank-list@armory.com > http://www.armory.com/mailman/listinfo.cgi/joe-frank-list > > From justin at kempton.com Mon Jun 19 09:53:15 2006 From: justin at kempton.com (Justin Kempton) Date: Mon Jun 19 09:56:51 2006 Subject: [joe-frank-list] Jack Kornfield In-Reply-To: <4496C2A8.7080901@hesiod.org> References: <20051230010929.96174.qmail@web30006.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <44962C9A.6030906@hesiod.org> <4496C2A8.7080901@hesiod.org> Message-ID: <4496D67B.2080506@kempton.com> That's a very interesting point. I listen / listened to all three regularly. All three have left a huge body of work to the public. Frank and Watts are available to listen to on many radio stations (online), and also via peer to peer. Thanks to Joe Frank, Kornfield is available via proxy of Joe's work. Personally, Joe Frank was my bridge into preferring spoken word versus music to listen to. That migrated to a brief bit of Kornfield, where I bought two of his series. When I ran through all of the Joe Frank programs, I discovered Alan Watts since they were available online for free at that time. Alan Watts let's you know right away that he is an entertainer, discounting himself as a guru. He talent is the gift of gab, as they say, and he is doing it for money. He smoked marijuana fairly regularly (but does not advertise this unless you look for it), had tried Acid, and was probably active in that. It was San Francisco, and during the late 60's after all. There is audio of him with Timothy Leary / Gary Snyder / Allen Ginsberg ). More importantly, Watts was a friend of Aldous Huxley and was heavily influenced by Krishnamurti. ). Jack Kornfield, of the modern west coast neutered drug class, is less open about them. He admits to 'shrooms in Boston, on an unspecified date and time. Joe Frank seems more into alcohol then pot, like his friend Larry and son. Incidentally, You can hear it after awhile, the drug of choice is reflected in their style of speech. Watts tends to ramble, especially in his later series, it drives my girlfriend crazy. Jack Kornfield quotes Alan Watts a few times, but not nearly as much as Gandhi. Kornfield seems more focused on the Buddhism of Thailand where he studied, Theravada*, *whereas Watts is more into Zen (Japan). Kornfield tends to splatter his lectures with quotes from all over the place, while Watts does not quote as much. This reflects the difference between Theravada and Zen. Zen is more about acting spontaneous, whereas Theravada is traditional and holds to authority. I think Watts is more original. Watt's may very well be a name that get's quoted a thousand years from now, he has a wonderful way of expressing his point so you understand it immediately. You get the feeling that Watts didn't like or trust Gandhi, as the biggest trouble makers can be the heroic selfless preachers of good habit. He certainly didn't quote him. Kornfield on the other hand quotes Gandhi regularly. This could be historic / and regional preference, Watts is British after all, in the older empire sense. As to the initial point, what does Joe Frank think of Jack Kornfield? I always remember Larry accusing Joe of being a form of provocateur, and I think there is some truth in that. It seems more like Joe wants to incite thought on these things, rather then project one belief or another. As to which beliefs he holds, who knows. One gets the feeling, after reading and listening to these westernized buddhists, that a world of saints would be a dull world. Joe plays Coyote, in the Navajo tradition, almost doing the opposite to prove what is good. Where would the story be if everyone spoke like Jack Kornfield? If everyone was careful never to step on an ant let's say, or swat a fly, or hurt anyone's feelings. Debi and Larry are real people, with real problems (actually, how much of that is true?).. at least within the context of the show, Larry and Debi have real problems. It makes for very interesting drama, and a story line you can stick to. Kornfield, like the rug in the big Lebowski, really ties the room together, but not any more or less then Larry or Debi or Joe himself. As for myself, were it not for the inclusion of Jack Kornfield, I doubt I would have kept listening so long, and to such depth. -Justin Kempton Jeff Anton wrote: > Do a web search and you'll find lots of pages. > The wikipedia entry is pretty good. > > It occurs to me that Alan Watts is like a bridge between > Jack Kornfield and Joe Frank. Alan is like Jack in that they > both were westerners who taught eastern philosophy and did that > in Marin county California. Alan is like Joe in that they both > struggle with alcohol, were radio broadcasters of stories and > philosophy, and avoided wars. > > This web page is a transcript of a radio broadcast Alan made in the > 60's or early 70's. For me, it reads very much like a Joe monolog show. > http://www.publicappeal.org/library/unicorn/watts/the_value_of_psychotic_experience.htm > > > Jeff Anton > > Sally wrote: >> >> Who is Alan Watts? >> >> On Jun 19, 2006, at 12:48 AM, Jeff Anton wrote: >> >>> It took quite a while for me to stop being annoyed by Jack's voice >>> in Joe's work. For me, Jack seems like a pale, monotone and overly >>> simple version of Alan Watts. Having heard many of the recordings >>> of Alan Watts' lectures, Jack puts me to sleep. Alan's talks and >>> stories seem very much more like Joe's work to me. I've also thought >>> that Joe might have run out of his own point of view. Joe's early >>> work was often actors doing some reading with Joe as a kind of >>> narrator or chorus pointing something out. When Jack Kornfield >>> showed up, I felt that Joe deligated the narrator/chorus role to >>> Jack because so much of those shows are Joe and Frank or Debi on >>> the phone. >>> >>> Jeff Anton >>> >>> Sally wrote: >>> >>>> I would absolutely love to hear what everyone's take on Jack >>>> Kornfield is, and what they think Joe's take on him is. >>>> I initially regarded them ironically, and assumed Joe was using >>>> them as counterpoint to Debi (who seems after a sense of >>>> spiritual fulfillment) and also sometimes Larry (who seems to >>>> misunderstand Jack completely). But, now I've actually gotten >>>> really into them. I feel like Joe is using them to condemn Debi >>>> and Larry's world view. But, then, does Joe subscribe to Jack's >>>> philosophies? >>>> -- >>>> > From rholland356 at yahoo.com Mon Jun 19 10:13:30 2006 From: rholland356 at yahoo.com (Robert Holland) Date: Mon Jun 19 10:13:34 2006 Subject: [joe-frank-list] Jack Kornfield In-Reply-To: <44962C9A.6030906@hesiod.org> Message-ID: <20060619171330.28565.qmail@web32501.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I enjoy the juxtaposition of views and voices that Kornfield brings to the works. It really enhances the stories, from my point of view. Listen to Larry telling his manic stories. Larry's playing a modern voice that you just know couldn't fit into Kornfield's ancient view of life. And Kornfield's performance is quite suave and soothing--he's a salesman. With Kornfield as background, Larry leaps from the radio. Instead of us getting 30 minutes of a Larry rant, which could become mundane, by framing Larry with Kornfield, it just makes Larry really come alive. It enhances the nuances in Larry's story. I don't see a spiritual search here on Joe's part. Nobody interacts with Kornfield, or pursues Buddhist philosophy during the shows. Robert --- Jeff Anton wrote: > It took quite a while for me to stop being annoyed > by Jack's voice > in Joe's work. For me, Jack seems like a pale, > monotone and overly > simple version of Alan Watts. Having heard many of > the recordings > of Alan Watts' lectures, Jack puts me to sleep. > Alan's talks and > stories seem very much more like Joe's work to me. > I've also thought > that Joe might have run out of his own point of > view. Joe's early > work was often actors doing some reading with Joe as > a kind of > narrator or chorus pointing something out. When > Jack Kornfield > showed up, I felt that Joe deligated the > narrator/chorus role to > Jack because so much of those shows are Joe and > Frank or Debi on > the phone. > > Jeff Anton > > Sally wrote: > > > > I would absolutely love to hear what everyone's > take on Jack Kornfield > > is, and what they think Joe's take on him is. > > > > I initially regarded them ironically, and assumed > Joe was using them as > > counterpoint to Debi (who seems after a sense of > spiritual fulfillment) > > and also sometimes Larry (who seems to > misunderstand Jack completely). > > But, now I've actually gotten really into them. I > feel like Joe is > > using them to condemn Debi and Larry's world view. > But, then, does Joe > > subscribe to Jack's philosophies? > > > > -- > > What is an oilostatic? > > sally@oilostatic.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Joe Frank Mailing List > > joe-frank-list@armory.com > > > http://www.armory.com/mailman/listinfo.cgi/joe-frank-list > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Joe Frank Mailing List > joe-frank-list@armory.com > http://www.armory.com/mailman/listinfo.cgi/joe-frank-list > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From awkwardgrace at yahoo.com Mon Jun 19 12:58:56 2006 From: awkwardgrace at yahoo.com (Tom McDonald) Date: Mon Jun 19 12:59:02 2006 Subject: [joe-frank-list] Jack Kornfield In-Reply-To: <20060619171330.28565.qmail@web32501.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20060619195856.20392.qmail@web51810.mail.yahoo.com> My initial reaction to Kornfield segments was practically to roll my eyes and hold my nose. After not too long, though, I began to like the musicality of his voice. And then, persuaded to listen, I realized we was going beyond the simplistic thinking that I associate with spiritual tourism, and I understood that he actually did have some wisdom to impart. In the end I've collected quite a few of his audio materials (on the written page his voice doesn't come through). Because of my gut-level objections to new age things and self help things, I realize I never would have tapped into JF were it not for the Joe Frank wrapping put it around. I think there's an episode where Larry and Joe talk about Kornfield, almost in passing. That snippet tended to confirm what I thought all along (once I took JK seriously), which is that Joe weaves in the Kornfield bits because there's a richness there and lack of irony. If nothing else, the JK segments work as a kind of musical or emotional counterpoint (a calm clear voice against the more manic and anguished and ironic voices). Also, and I think this came up on this list about a year ago, during a Bay Area radio interview with JK it was revealed that he had never heard of Joe Frank! --- Robert Holland wrote: > I enjoy the juxtaposition of views and voices that > Kornfield brings to the works. It really enhances > the > stories, from my point of view. > > Listen to Larry telling his manic stories. Larry's > playing a modern voice that you just know couldn't > fit > into Kornfield's ancient view of life. And > Kornfield's > performance is quite suave and soothing--he's a > salesman. With Kornfield as background, Larry leaps > from the radio. > > Instead of us getting 30 minutes of a Larry rant, > which could become mundane, by framing Larry with > Kornfield, it just makes Larry really come alive. It > enhances the nuances in Larry's story. > > I don't see a spiritual search here on Joe's part. > Nobody interacts with Kornfield, or pursues Buddhist > philosophy during the shows. > > Robert > > --- Jeff Anton wrote: > > > It took quite a while for me to stop being annoyed > > by Jack's voice > > in Joe's work. For me, Jack seems like a pale, > > monotone and overly > > simple version of Alan Watts. Having heard many > of > > the recordings > > of Alan Watts' lectures, Jack puts me to sleep. > > Alan's talks and > > stories seem very much more like Joe's work to me. > > > I've also thought > > that Joe might have run out of his own point of > > view. Joe's early > > work was often actors doing some reading with Joe > as > > a kind of > > narrator or chorus pointing something out. When > > Jack Kornfield > > showed up, I felt that Joe deligated the > > narrator/chorus role to > > Jack because so much of those shows are Joe and > > Frank or Debi on > > the phone. > > > > Jeff Anton > > > > Sally wrote: > > > > > > I would absolutely love to hear what everyone's > > take on Jack Kornfield > > > is, and what they think Joe's take on him is. > > > > > > I initially regarded them ironically, and > assumed > > Joe was using them as > > > counterpoint to Debi (who seems after a sense of > > spiritual fulfillment) > > > and also sometimes Larry (who seems to > > misunderstand Jack completely). > > > But, now I've actually gotten really into them. > I > > feel like Joe is > > > using them to condemn Debi and Larry's world > view. > > But, then, does Joe > > > subscribe to Jack's philosophies? > > > > > > -- > > > What is an oilostatic? > > > sally@oilostatic.com > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Joe Frank Mailing List > > > joe-frank-list@armory.com > > > > > > http://www.armory.com/mailman/listinfo.cgi/joe-frank-list > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Joe Frank Mailing List > > joe-frank-list@armory.com > > > http://www.armory.com/mailman/listinfo.cgi/joe-frank-list > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > Joe Frank Mailing List > joe-frank-list@armory.com > http://www.armory.com/mailman/listinfo.cgi/joe-frank-list > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From LBlockD at aol.com Mon Jun 19 13:52:41 2006 From: LBlockD at aol.com (LBlockD@aol.com) Date: Mon Jun 19 13:52:53 2006 Subject: [joe-frank-list] Re: joe-frank-list Digest, Vol 35, Issue 13 Message-ID: <3f8.478f9d0.31c86899@aol.com> With regard to Larry's opinion of Jack - and the suggestion by one aficionado that Larry misunderstands Jack - it should be noted that Jack was actually a student of Larry's at the Mir-Asud Sufi powerhouse in Osh, an isolated region of central Asia, now part of Tazhikstan, in the late 1960's. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Ha ha ha very good Larry. -----Original Message----- From: LBlockD@aol.com To: joe-frank-list@armory.com Sent: Mon, 19 Jun 2006 16:52:41 EDT Subject: [joe-frank-list] Re: joe-frank-list Digest, Vol 35, Issue 13 With regard to Larry's opinion of Jack - and the suggestion by one aficionado that Larry misunderstands Jack - it should be noted that Jack was actually a student of Larry's at the Mir-Asud Sufi powerhouse in Osh, an isolated region of central Asia, now part of Tazhikstan, in the late 1960's. _______________________________________________ Joe Frank Mailing List joe-frank-list@armory.com http://www.armory.com/mailman/listinfo.cgi/joe-frank-list ________________________________________________________________________ Check out AOL.com today. Breaking news, video search, pictures, email and IM. All on demand. Always Free. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.armory.com/pipermail/joe-frank-list/attachments/20060619/8ee6332a/attachment.htm From majestic_cheese at yahoo.com Mon Jun 19 18:54:19 2006 From: majestic_cheese at yahoo.com (Larry Dunn) Date: Mon Jun 19 18:54:41 2006 Subject: [joe-frank-list] Jack Kornfield In-Reply-To: <200606191200.ac25442@deepthought.armory.com> Message-ID: <20060620015419.5497.qmail@web30008.mail.mud.yahoo.com> From: Justin Kempton > Where would the story be if everyone spoke like >Jack Kornfield? If everyone was careful never to >step on an ant let's say, or swat a fly, or hurt >anyone's feelings. Jack Kornfield says no such thing. He speaks often, anc clearly, about the disconnect between the goals of Buddhism and the tensions, the distractions of the world. Even in the "Karma" series (where you hear Kornfield most often), he is very clear about this. It's patently obvious that Joe Frank finds Kornfield's quest for peace and deeper understanding to be profoundly moving. Even as recently as his web-special program "Fire" he cited Kornfield's teachings as an admirable goal. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From mrdubway at hotmail.com Tue Jun 20 05:40:23 2006 From: mrdubway at hotmail.com (mike hurst) Date: Tue Jun 20 05:40:28 2006 Subject: [joe-frank-list] Jack Kornfield In-Reply-To: <4496D67B.2080506@kempton.com> Message-ID: Thank you Justin for that great summary. I look forward to listening to Alan Watts. One or more listmembers who recently wrote that they held the Kornfield segments in low esteem. I can understand why when I read these emails. I am reminded of my friend who has earned his PhD studying and writing about Buddhism and doesn't like Kornfield recordings which he dismisses as "new age self help recordings." I think that the audience Kornfield speaks to should be kept in mind. I think Kornfield is a great introduction to Buddhism for western people. Kind of like the aerobics instructor at a hospital who is assigned to work with fatally obese people - the aerobics regimen is weak but you have to consider the intended audience. But Kornfield has studied with some of the most respected Buddhist philosophers, and is able to present the philosphy in a way that is really welcoming to the uninitiated. For the past several months I have been working my way through India and Indochina learning a lot about Buddhism. Some of the concepts like the absence of self or a soul can be difficult to grapple with depending on your upbringing. It helps to have someone like Jack Kornfield ease you in to it. Regarding what Joe thinks about Kornfield I have no idea. Can someone ask him? >From: Justin Kempton >Reply-To: Joe Frank Mailing List >To: Joe Frank Mailing List >Subject: Re: [joe-frank-list] Jack Kornfield >Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2006 09:53:15 -0700 > >That's a very interesting point. I listen / listened to all three >regularly. > >All three have left a huge body of work to the public. Frank and Watts are >available to listen to on many radio stations (online), and also via peer >to peer. Thanks to Joe Frank, Kornfield is available via proxy of Joe's >work. Personally, Joe Frank was my bridge into preferring spoken word >versus music to listen to. That migrated to a brief bit of Kornfield, where >I bought two of his series. When I ran through all of the Joe Frank >programs, I discovered Alan Watts since they were available online for free >at that time. > >Alan Watts let's you know right away that he is an entertainer, discounting >himself as a guru. He talent is the gift of gab, as they say, and he is >doing it for money. He smoked marijuana fairly regularly (but does not >advertise this unless you look for it), had tried Acid, and was probably >active in that. It was San Francisco, and during the late 60's after all. >There is audio of him with Timothy Leary / Gary Snyder / Allen Ginsberg ). >More importantly, Watts was a friend of Aldous Huxley and was heavily >influenced by Krishnamurti. ). Jack Kornfield, of the modern west coast >neutered drug class, is less open about them. He admits to 'shrooms in >Boston, on an unspecified date and time. Joe Frank seems more into alcohol >then pot, like his friend Larry and son. Incidentally, You can hear it >after awhile, the drug of choice is reflected in their style of speech. >Watts tends to ramble, especially in his later series, it drives my >girlfriend crazy. > >Jack Kornfield quotes Alan Watts a few times, but not nearly as much as >Gandhi. Kornfield seems more focused on the Buddhism of Thailand where he >studied, Theravada*, *whereas Watts is more into Zen (Japan). Kornfield >tends to splatter his lectures with quotes from all over the place, while >Watts does not quote as much. This reflects the difference between >Theravada and Zen. Zen is more about acting spontaneous, whereas Theravada >is traditional and holds to authority. I think Watts is more original. >Watt's may very well be a name that get's quoted a thousand years from now, >he has a wonderful way of expressing his point so you understand it >immediately. You get the feeling that Watts didn't like or trust Gandhi, as >the biggest trouble makers can be the heroic selfless preachers of good >habit. He certainly didn't quote him. Kornfield on the other hand quotes >Gandhi regularly. This could be historic / and regional preference, Watts >is British after all, in the older empire sense. > >As to the initial point, what does Joe Frank think of Jack Kornfield? I >always remember Larry accusing Joe of being a form of provocateur, and I >think there is some truth in that. It seems more like Joe wants to incite >thought on these things, rather then project one belief or another. As to >which beliefs he holds, who knows. One gets the feeling, after reading and >listening to these westernized buddhists, that a world of saints would be a >dull world. Joe plays Coyote, in the Navajo tradition, almost doing the >opposite to prove what is good. > >Where would the story be if everyone spoke like Jack Kornfield? If everyone >was careful never to step on an ant let's say, or swat a fly, or hurt >anyone's feelings. Debi and Larry are real people, with real problems >(actually, how much of that is true?).. at least within the context of the >show, Larry and Debi have real problems. It makes for very interesting >drama, and a story line you can stick to. Kornfield, like the rug in the >big Lebowski, really ties the room together, but not any more or less then >Larry or Debi or Joe himself. > >As for myself, were it not for the inclusion of Jack Kornfield, I doubt I >would have kept listening so long, and to such depth. > > >-Justin Kempton > >Jeff Anton wrote: >>Do a web search and you'll find lots of pages. >>The wikipedia entry is pretty good. >> >>It occurs to me that Alan Watts is like a bridge between >>Jack Kornfield and Joe Frank. Alan is like Jack in that they >>both were westerners who taught eastern philosophy and did that >>in Marin county California. Alan is like Joe in that they both >>struggle with alcohol, were radio broadcasters of stories and >>philosophy, and avoided wars. >> >>This web page is a transcript of a radio broadcast Alan made in the >>60's or early 70's. For me, it reads very much like a Joe monolog show. >>http://www.publicappeal.org/library/unicorn/watts/the_value_of_psychotic_experience.htm >> >> >>Jeff Anton >> >>Sally wrote: >>> >>>Who is Alan Watts? >>> >>>On Jun 19, 2006, at 12:48 AM, Jeff Anton wrote: >>> >>>>It took quite a while for me to stop being annoyed by Jack's voice >>>>in Joe's work. For me, Jack seems like a pale, monotone and overly >>>>simple version of Alan Watts. Having heard many of the recordings >>>>of Alan Watts' lectures, Jack puts me to sleep. Alan's talks and >>>>stories seem very much more like Joe's work to me. I've also thought >>>>that Joe might have run out of his own point of view. Joe's early >>>>work was often actors doing some reading with Joe as a kind of >>>>narrator or chorus pointing something out. When Jack Kornfield >>>>showed up, I felt that Joe deligated the narrator/chorus role to >>>>Jack because so much of those shows are Joe and Frank or Debi on >>>>the phone. >>>> >>>>Jeff Anton >>>> >>>>Sally wrote: >>>> >>>>>I would absolutely love to hear what everyone's take on Jack >>>>>Kornfield is, and what they think Joe's take on him is. >>>>>I initially regarded them ironically, and assumed Joe was using them >>>>>as counterpoint to Debi (who seems after a sense of spiritual >>>>>fulfillment) and also sometimes Larry (who seems to misunderstand >>>>>Jack completely). But, now I've actually gotten really into them. I >>>>>feel like Joe is using them to condemn Debi and Larry's world view. >>>>>But, then, does Joe subscribe to Jack's philosophies? >>>>>-- >>>>> >> >_______________________________________________ >Joe Frank Mailing List >joe-frank-list@armory.com >http://www.armory.com/mailman/listinfo.cgi/joe-frank-list From SpringyStepps at aol.com Tue Jun 20 09:34:21 2006 From: SpringyStepps at aol.com (SpringyStepps@aol.com) Date: Tue Jun 20 09:34:36 2006 Subject: [joe-frank-list] Jack Kornfield Message-ID: <522.a03d33.31c97d8d@aol.com> In a message dated 6/19/2006 8:56:47 PM Central Standard Time, majestic_cheese@yahoo.com writes: It's patently obvious that Joe Frank finds Kornfield's quest for peace and deeper understanding to be profoundly moving. I second that emotion. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.armory.com/pipermail/joe-frank-list/attachments/20060620/0a070dc7/attachment.htm From justin at kempton.com Tue Jun 20 11:48:21 2006 From: justin at kempton.com (Justin Kempton) Date: Tue Jun 20 11:51:45 2006 Subject: [joe-frank-list] Jack Kornfield Message-ID: <20060620184821.C2FD9DA596@ws6-6.us4.outblaze.com> Certainly we must admit that Jack Kornfields voice is calm, still and musical. Dare we say effeminate? This style of speech reflects a certain way of being, that is more concerned rather then less concerned with making mistakes with words. He is not John Wayne or George Bush!. All I am saying is that this approach goes only so far. Kornfields approach does work, as it worked to bring me into more interest in Buddhism. But just as Kornfield is appealing in his desire to be a good person, one of the things I love about Alan Watts, is that he allows for you to be bad. He talks of a irreducible rascality in all of us. It's a morality based upon the understanding that you are just as capable if not more so of being evil in a given situation, and so you do not judge others for their action. "Judge not that you be not judged". Right and wrong action is as simple as efficient and inefficient action, nothing more. There is no God telling you what to do, you are the God figuring it out. Kornfield says all of this too, in his own way, but like Mike Hurst points out, his speech is given for a certain type of audience. For a western person to receive buddhism, it must be translated, and these translations must be played out into the drama of life. Even this message is part of that drama, as is the continuing saga of the wondering zen master Larry. One of my all time favorite movies, Razor's Edge, had another Larry as it's lead, which also explored eastern thought. Larry finds enlightenment by burning his books! Coincidence? In the Larry of JF, we have that same joking spirit, confronted with life, as we all are. Stories get translated, and some get lost, others become a part of us forever. Larry Block's elephant / monkey joke has come in handy more then a few times. The best comedy is based upon tragic truth. It is the same with spiritual understanding, you either laugh and get it, or you pretend and never get it. Enlightenment might be called one's ability to find the joke in it. > > Where would the story be if everyone spoke like > > Jack Kornfield? If everyone was careful never to > > step on an ant let's say, or swat a fly, or hurt > > anyone's feelings. > > Jack Kornfield says no such thing. He speaks often, > anc clearly, about the disconnect between the goals of > Buddhism and the tensions, the distractions of the > world. Even in the "Karma" series (where you hear > Kornfield most often), he is very clear about this. > > It's patently obvious that Joe Frank finds Kornfield's > quest for peace and deeper understanding to be > profoundly moving. Even as recently as his > web-special program "Fire" he cited Kornfield's > teachings as an admirable goal. From KneeCha at aol.com Tue Jun 20 12:12:12 2006 From: KneeCha at aol.com (KneeCha@aol.com) Date: Tue Jun 20 12:12:26 2006 Subject: [joe-frank-list] Jack Kornfield Message-ID: <520.a7175e.31c9a28c@aol.com> When Kornfield first appeared in Joe's work, it seemed out of place. And then I tried to figure out, is Joe mocking him or embracing him? Or does Kornfield's words just fit into the rest of the piece? I concluded, no, no, and no. I think Joe likes his voice and appreciates the hypnotic power. Also, the tone of peace and enlightenment balances and gives relief and contrast with Joe's inquietude and doubt. Kornfield is highly respected in his field, and as was noted here previously, he's unfamiliar with Joe's work. They're not buddies. They've never met. Kornfield isn't a neat fit into Joe's pieces, but then again, Joe is a sloppy though brilliant artist. Through Joe's work, Kornfield has kind of grown on me and I've sought out his recordings. With a little patience, they can be downloaded from Limewire. Robert Wright San Jose -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.armory.com/pipermail/joe-frank-list/attachments/20060620/75bd14d9/attachment.htm From KneeCha at aol.com Tue Jun 20 12:16:30 2006 From: KneeCha at aol.com (KneeCha@aol.com) Date: Tue Jun 20 12:16:39 2006 Subject: [joe-frank-list] Jack Kornfield Message-ID: <48d.2e3395f.31c9a38e@aol.com> If you search Alan Watts via iTunes, you can find free podcasts. It's difficult to like Alan Watts after hearing Kornfield. Watts is smart and might make you think, but sometimes, I don't know, I feel like slapping him. Listening to Kornfield can be like taking Vicoden. Robert Wright San Jose -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.armory.com/pipermail/joe-frank-list/attachments/20060620/2a21c35e/attachment.htm From awkwardgrace at yahoo.com Tue Jun 20 16:28:01 2006 From: awkwardgrace at yahoo.com (Tom McDonald) Date: Tue Jun 20 16:28:10 2006 Subject: [joe-frank-list] Jack Kornfield In-Reply-To: <48d.2e3395f.31c9a38e@aol.com> Message-ID: <20060620232803.18880.qmail@web51807.mail.yahoo.com> That's my experience too Robert. Except for the part about vicodin, which I've never taken, so I'll just take yr word for it. Watts is fascinating to read about, a brilliant and colorful character to be sure, but his writing and the one or two podcasts I listened to didn't do it for me. Is it the kind of thing that appeals to you when yr in your early 20s but not so much afterwards? (OK. I did read a book of his during my early 20s, and had a kind of panic attack. Something about fear of never escaping ego or something like that. A true panic attack. Never happened before, never happened again. I guess that's a sign of powerful writing (or a vulnerable young man) but in any case going back to him some 20 years later it was a bit of a let down. Usually when I go back to things I watched or read 20 years ago I find more there, not less.) Oh, speaking of brilliant and colorful characters, have any of you folks seen The Cruise (the documentary about a bloke who leads tourist bus cruises in New York City)? What did you think? --- KneeCha@aol.com wrote: > If you search Alan Watts via iTunes, you can find > free podcasts. > > It's difficult to like Alan Watts after hearing > Kornfield. Watts is smart > and might make you think, but sometimes, I don't > know, I feel like slapping him. > > Listening to Kornfield can be like taking Vicoden. > > Robert Wright > San Jose > > _______________________________________________ > Joe Frank Mailing List > joe-frank-list@armory.com > http://www.armory.com/mailman/listinfo.cgi/joe-frank-list > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From creigeallan at yahoo.com Tue Jun 20 17:15:48 2006 From: creigeallan at yahoo.com (craig millman) Date: Tue Jun 20 17:15:54 2006 Subject: [joe-frank-list] Jack Kornfield In-Reply-To: <20060619195856.20392.qmail@web51810.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20060621001548.48711.qmail@web34312.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I heard that interview and found it real surprising that Kornfield hadn't heard of JF. It seemed like he was a bit wary Joe might have been mocking him or not necessarily using his content with the same integrity. I don't know if Kornfield would get Joe, but I have no doubt Joe gets Kornfield. To me Kornfield is the real deal. He's not a wimpy new ager and he's not a phony like Chopra and Dyer. He's authentic. I've listened to podcasts of other Buddhists and I can't get into it like Kornfield. He has real substance. I thought his "Path with Heart" was a very good read. Watts is total different. He didn't really practice, he lectured. He's more of a scholar/bon vivant. Personally I think the Donald Sutherland character in Animal House had a little Alan Watts in him. Watts gets repetitious but I love listening to him because to me his philosophy is incredibly sensible. --- Tom McDonald wrote: > My initial reaction to Kornfield segments was > practically to roll my eyes and hold my nose. After > not too long, though, I began to like the musicality > of his voice. And then, persuaded to listen, I > realized we was going beyond the simplistic thinking > that I associate with spiritual tourism, and I > understood that he actually did have some wisdom to > impart. In the end I've collected quite a few of his > audio materials (on the written page his voice > doesn't > come through). Because of my gut-level objections to > new age things and self help things, I realize I > never > would have tapped into JF were it not for the Joe > Frank wrapping put it around. > > I think there's an episode where Larry and Joe talk > about Kornfield, almost in passing. That snippet > tended to confirm what I thought all along (once I > took JK seriously), which is that Joe weaves in the > Kornfield bits because there's a richness there and > lack of irony. If nothing else, the JK segments work > as a kind of musical or emotional counterpoint (a > calm > clear voice against the more manic and anguished and > ironic voices). > > Also, and I think this came up on this list about a > year ago, during a Bay Area radio interview with JK > it > was revealed that he had never heard of Joe Frank! > > --- Robert Holland wrote: > > > I enjoy the juxtaposition of views and voices that > > Kornfield brings to the works. It really enhances > > the > > stories, from my point of view. > > > > Listen to Larry telling his manic stories. Larry's > > playing a modern voice that you just know couldn't > > fit > > into Kornfield's ancient view of life. And > > Kornfield's > > performance is quite suave and soothing--he's a > > salesman. With Kornfield as background, Larry > leaps > > from the radio. > > > > Instead of us getting 30 minutes of a Larry rant, > > which could become mundane, by framing Larry with > > Kornfield, it just makes Larry really come alive. > It > > enhances the nuances in Larry's story. > > > > I don't see a spiritual search here on Joe's part. > > Nobody interacts with Kornfield, or pursues > Buddhist > > philosophy during the shows. > > > > Robert > > > > --- Jeff Anton wrote: > > > > > It took quite a while for me to stop being > annoyed > > > by Jack's voice > > > in Joe's work. For me, Jack seems like a pale, > > > monotone and overly > > > simple version of Alan Watts. Having heard many > > of > > > the recordings > > > of Alan Watts' lectures, Jack puts me to sleep. > > > Alan's talks and > > > stories seem very much more like Joe's work to > me. > > > > > I've also thought > > > that Joe might have run out of his own point of > > > view. Joe's early > > > work was often actors doing some reading with > Joe > > as > > > a kind of > > > narrator or chorus pointing something out. When > > > Jack Kornfield > > > showed up, I felt that Joe deligated the > > > narrator/chorus role to > > > Jack because so much of those shows are Joe and > > > Frank or Debi on > > > the phone. > > > > > > Jeff Anton > > > > > > Sally wrote: > > > > > > > > I would absolutely love to hear what > everyone's > > > take on Jack Kornfield > > > > is, and what they think Joe's take on him is. > > > > > > > > I initially regarded them ironically, and > > assumed > > > Joe was using them as > > > > counterpoint to Debi (who seems after a sense > of > > > spiritual fulfillment) > > > > and also sometimes Larry (who seems to > > > misunderstand Jack completely). > > > > But, now I've actually gotten really into > them. > > I > > > feel like Joe is > > > > using them to condemn Debi and Larry's world > > view. > > > But, then, does Joe > > > > subscribe to Jack's philosophies? > > > > > > > > -- > > > > What is an oilostatic? > > > > sally@oilostatic.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Joe Frank Mailing List > > > > joe-frank-list@armory.com > > > > > > > > > > http://www.armory.com/mailman/listinfo.cgi/joe-frank-list > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Joe Frank Mailing List > > > joe-frank-list@armory.com > > > > > > http://www.armory.com/mailman/listinfo.cgi/joe-frank-list > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Tired of spam? 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Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From dbakins at cox.net Tue Jun 20 17:16:52 2006 From: dbakins at cox.net (Damon Akins) Date: Tue Jun 20 17:17:00 2006 Subject: [joe-frank-list] Jack Kornfield In-Reply-To: <20060620232803.18880.qmail@web51807.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20060620232803.18880.qmail@web51807.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <7A1C170F-2F41-4007-A768-AFD70B37EDFB@cox.net> On Alan Watts, back in the late 90s, KPFK used to broadcast him regularly in the wee hours of the morning. Often, I would find myself in a very Joe-moment: stumbling back to my car with a heady buzz after last call, and driving up Silverlake Blvd to the freeway listening to the program. In that context, very enlightening. But I imagine, as others have suggested, that with a more neutral approach, his teachings might fall a bit flat. He has a sonorous voice which is particularly so at 2:00a. On the Joe / Kornfield relationship, I have to agree with others that what is going on there is much more complex than endorsement / ridicule. If it were the latter, it might have been on the shows once or twice. I think it is something like the cracker between wine tasting rounds, not to call Kornfield a cracker... no racial slur implied. Haven't seen The Cruise. Thrilled abt the podcasts. On Jun 20, 2006, at 6:28 PM, Tom McDonald wrote: > That's my experience too Robert. Except for the part > about vicodin, which I've never taken, so I'll just > take yr word for it. > > Watts is fascinating to read about, a brilliant and > colorful character to be sure, but his writing and the > one or two podcasts I listened to didn't do it for me. > Is it the kind of thing that appeals to you when yr in > your early 20s but not so much afterwards? (OK. I did > read a book of his during my early 20s, and had a kind > of panic attack. Something about fear of never > escaping ego or something like that. A true panic > attack. Never happened before, never happened again. I > guess that's a sign of powerful writing (or a > vulnerable young man) but in any case going back to > him some 20 years later it was a bit of a let down. > Usually when I go back to things I watched or read 20 > years ago I find more there, not less.) > > Oh, speaking of brilliant and colorful characters, > have any of you folks seen The Cruise (the documentary > about a bloke who leads tourist bus cruises in New > York City)? What did you think? > > --- KneeCha@aol.com wrote: > >> If you search Alan Watts via iTunes, you can find >> free podcasts. >> >> It's difficult to like Alan Watts after hearing >> Kornfield. Watts is smart >> and might make you think, but sometimes, I don't >> know, I feel like slapping him. >> >> Listening to Kornfield can be like taking Vicoden. >> >> Robert Wright >> San Jose >>> _______________________________________________ >> Joe Frank Mailing List >> joe-frank-list@armory.com >> > http://www.armory.com/mailman/listinfo.cgi/joe-frank-list >> > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > Joe Frank Mailing List > joe-frank-list@armory.com > http://www.armory.com/mailman/listinfo.cgi/joe-frank-list From majestic_cheese at yahoo.com Tue Jun 20 18:02:07 2006 From: majestic_cheese at yahoo.com (Larry Dunn) Date: Tue Jun 20 18:02:12 2006 Subject: [joe-frank-list] Re: Jack Kornfield In-Reply-To: <200606201153.ac17392@deepthought.armory.com> Message-ID: <20060621010207.11325.qmail@web30009.mail.mud.yahoo.com> From: "Justin Kempton" >But just as Kornfield is appealing in his desire to >be a good person, one of the things I love about >Alan Watts, is that he allows for you to be bad. He >talks of a irreducible rascality in all of us. Hardly surprising in someone who drank himself to death at age 58. Or, more to the point, someone who went from being a conservative Republican to being ... a libertarian. :D >It's a morality >based upon the understanding that you are just as >capable if not more so of being evil in a given >situation, >and so you do not judge others for their action. Which of course is strictly kindergarten stuff for sthaviravada. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From bewareofdog at mac.com Tue Jun 20 18:10:04 2006 From: bewareofdog at mac.com (bewareofdog@mac.com) Date: Tue Jun 20 18:10:34 2006 Subject: [joe-frank-list] Re: Jack Kornfield In-Reply-To: <20060621010207.11325.qmail@web30009.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060621010207.11325.qmail@web30009.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Larry, your ability to take any conversation and with one turn of the phrase make it taste sour has us all endlessly licking our lips. On Jun 20, 2006, at 9:02 PM, Larry Dunn wrote: > From: "Justin Kempton" > >> But just as Kornfield is appealing in his desire to >> be a good person, one of the things I love about >> Alan Watts, is that he allows for you to be bad. He >> talks of a irreducible rascality in all of us. > > Hardly surprising in someone who drank himself to > death at age 58. Or, more to the point, someone who > went from being a conservative Republican to being ... > a libertarian. :D > >> It's a morality >> based upon the understanding that you are just as >> capable if not more so of being evil in a given >> situation, >> and so you do not judge others for their action. > > Which of course is strictly kindergarten stuff for sthaviravada. > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > Joe Frank Mailing List > joe-frank-list@armory.com > http://www.armory.com/mailman/listinfo.cgi/joe-frank-list From SpringyStepps at aol.com Tue Jun 20 19:50:39 2006 From: SpringyStepps at aol.com (SpringyStepps@aol.com) Date: Tue Jun 20 19:50:49 2006 Subject: [joe-frank-list] Jack Kornfield Message-ID: <48f.2f16ede.31ca0dff@aol.com> In a message dated 6/20/2006 6:31:06 PM Central Standard Time, awkwardgrace@yahoo.com writes: Oh, speaking of brilliant and colorful characters, have any of you folks seen The Cruise (the documentary about a bloke who leads tourist bus cruises in New York City)? What did you think? I LOVE this doc! I've watched it several times, and I think it's just the type of art that you could go back to every few years and have more and more revealed to you and about you. Remember that wonderful scene at World Trade Center, him on the ground looking up at the buildings? And his conversations with the local plants and decorative effects on building facades? He would have been the most original, amazing commentator in the months following 9/11. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.armory.com/pipermail/joe-frank-list/attachments/20060620/d130662b/attachment-0001.htm From SpringyStepps at aol.com Tue Jun 20 19:54:44 2006 From: SpringyStepps at aol.com (SpringyStepps@aol.com) Date: Tue Jun 20 19:54:54 2006 Subject: [joe-frank-list] Jack Kornfield Message-ID: <4f2.f83800.31ca0ef4@aol.com> In a message dated 6/20/2006 2:14:33 PM Central Standard Time, KneeCha@aol.com writes: When Kornfield first appeared in Joe's work, it seemed out of place. And then I tried to figure out, is Joe mocking him or embracing him? Or does Kornfield's words just fit into the rest of the piece? I concluded, no, no, and no. No, no, and no is possible. But so is yes, yes, and yes. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.armory.com/pipermail/joe-frank-list/attachments/20060620/bc4b5648/attachment.htm From sendme at earthlink.net Tue Jun 20 20:16:59 2006 From: sendme at earthlink.net (Cynthia Burkey) Date: Tue Jun 20 20:17:03 2006 Subject: [joe-frank-list] Re: joe-frank-list Digest, Vol 35, Issue 15 Message-ID: <2855331.1150859819847.JavaMail.root@elwamui-chisos.atl.sa.earthlink.net> just my 2 -c- : I found Kornfeld (it is -feld, right?) to be sensible and nice and completely unengaging. It was much more fun to listen to Debi or Larry. I don't enjoy listening to spirituality being directly discussed by anyone, though, especially anyone nice and well-intentioned. It's just not my thing. It sounds like maybe the only one here who really tuned those segments out. Someone asked for people's reactions, so I thought I'd toss my point of view out there since I'm pretty much alone ;-D -----Original Message----- >From: joe-frank-list-request@armory.com >Sent: Jun 20, 2006 7:52 PM >To: joe-frank-list@armory.com >Subject: joe-frank-list Digest, Vol 35, Issue 15 > >Send joe-frank-list mailing list submissions to > joe-frank-list@armory.com > >To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://www.armory.com/mailman/listinfo.cgi/joe-frank-list >or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > joe-frank-list-request@armory.com > >You can reach the person managing the list at > joe-frank-list-owner@armory.com > >When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >than "Re: Contents of joe-frank-list digest..." > > >Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Jack Kornfield (KneeCha@aol.com) > 2. Re: Jack Kornfield (KneeCha@aol.com) > 3. Re: Jack Kornfield (Tom McDonald) > 4. Re: Jack Kornfield (craig millman) > 5. Re: Jack Kornfield (Damon Akins) > 6. Re: Jack Kornfield (Larry Dunn) > 7. Re: Re: Jack Kornfield (bewareofdog@mac.com) > 8. Re: Jack Kornfield (SpringyStepps@aol.com) > > >---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >Message: 1 >Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 15:12:12 EDT >From: KneeCha@aol.com >Subject: Re: [joe-frank-list] Jack Kornfield >To: joe-frank-list@armory.com >Message-ID: <520.a7175e.31c9a28c@aol.com> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > >When Kornfield first appeared in Joe's work, it seemed out of place. > >And then I tried to figure out, is Joe mocking him or embracing him? Or does >Kornfield's words just fit into the rest of the piece? > >I concluded, no, no, and no. > >I think Joe likes his voice and appreciates the hypnotic power. Also, the >tone of peace and enlightenment balances and gives relief and contrast with >Joe's inquietude and doubt. > >Kornfield is highly respected in his field, and as was noted here >previously, he's unfamiliar with Joe's work. They're not buddies. They've never met. > >Kornfield isn't a neat fit into Joe's pieces, but then again, Joe is a >sloppy though brilliant artist. > >Through Joe's work, Kornfield has kind of grown on me and I've sought out >his recordings. With a little patience, they can be downloaded from Limewire. > >Robert Wright >San Jose >-------------- next part -------------- >An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >URL: http://www.armory.com/pipermail/joe-frank-list/attachments/20060620/75bd14d9/attachment-0001.htm > >------------------------------ > >Message: 2 >Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 15:16:30 EDT >From: KneeCha@aol.com >Subject: Re: [joe-frank-list] Jack Kornfield >To: joe-frank-list@armory.com >Message-ID: <48d.2e3395f.31c9a38e@aol.com> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > >If you search Alan Watts via iTunes, you can find free podcasts. > >It's difficult to like Alan Watts after hearing Kornfield. Watts is smart >and might make you think, but sometimes, I don't know, I feel like slapping him. > >Listening to Kornfield can be like taking Vicoden. > >Robert Wright >San Jose >-------------- next part -------------- >An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >URL: http://www.armory.com/pipermail/joe-frank-list/attachments/20060620/2a21c35e/attachment-0001.htm > >------------------------------ > >Message: 3 >Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 16:28:01 -0700 (PDT) >From: Tom McDonald >Subject: Re: [joe-frank-list] Jack Kornfield >To: Joe Frank Mailing List >Message-ID: <20060620232803.18880.qmail@web51807.mail.yahoo.com> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 > >That's my experience too Robert. Except for the part >about vicodin, which I've never taken, so I'll just >take yr word for it. > >Watts is fascinating to read about, a brilliant and >colorful character to be sure, but his writing and the >one or two podcasts I listened to didn't do it for me. >Is it the kind of thing that appeals to you when yr in >your early 20s but not so much afterwards? (OK. I did >read a book of his during my early 20s, and had a kind >of panic attack. Something about fear of never >escaping ego or something like that. A true panic >attack. Never happened before, never happened again. I >guess that's a sign of powerful writing (or a >vulnerable young man) but in any case going back to >him some 20 years later it was a bit of a let down. >Usually when I go back to things I watched or read 20 >years ago I find more there, not less.) > >Oh, speaking of brilliant and colorful characters, >have any of you folks seen The Cruise (the documentary >about a bloke who leads tourist bus cruises in New >York City)? What did you think? > >--- KneeCha@aol.com wrote: > >> If you search Alan Watts via iTunes, you can find >> free podcasts. >> >> It's difficult to like Alan Watts after hearing >> Kornfield. Watts is smart >> and might make you think, but sometimes, I don't >> know, I feel like slapping him. >> >> Listening to Kornfield can be like taking Vicoden. >> >> Robert Wright >> San Jose >> > _______________________________________________ >> Joe Frank Mailing List >> joe-frank-list@armory.com >> >http://www.armory.com/mailman/listinfo.cgi/joe-frank-list >> > > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around >http://mail.yahoo.com > > >------------------------------ > >Message: 4 >Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 17:15:48 -0700 (PDT) >From: craig millman >Subject: Re: [joe-frank-list] Jack Kornfield >To: Joe Frank Mailing List , > rholland356@yahoo.com >Message-ID: <20060621001548.48711.qmail@web34312.mail.mud.yahoo.com> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 > >I heard that interview and found it real surprising >that Kornfield hadn't heard of JF. It seemed like he >was a bit wary Joe might have been mocking him or not >necessarily using his content with the same integrity. >I don't know if Kornfield would get Joe, but I have no >doubt Joe gets Kornfield. > >To me Kornfield is the real deal. He's not a wimpy new >ager and he's not a phony like Chopra and Dyer. He's >authentic. I've listened to podcasts of other >Buddhists and I can't get into it like Kornfield. He >has real substance. I thought his "Path with Heart" >was a very good read. > >Watts is total different. He didn't really practice, >he lectured. He's more of a scholar/bon vivant. >Personally I think the Donald Sutherland character in >Animal House had a little Alan Watts in him. > >Watts gets repetitious but I love listening to him >because to me his philosophy is incredibly sensible. > > >--- Tom McDonald wrote: > >> My initial reaction to Kornfield segments was >> practically to roll my eyes and hold my nose. After >> not too long, though, I began to like the musicality >> of his voice. And then, persuaded to listen, I >> realized we was going beyond the simplistic thinking >> that I associate with spiritual tourism, and I >> understood that he actually did have some wisdom to >> impart. In the end I've collected quite a few of his >> audio materials (on the written page his voice >> doesn't >> come through). Because of my gut-level objections to >> new age things and self help things, I realize I >> never >> would have tapped into JF were it not for the Joe >> Frank wrapping put it around. >> >> I think there's an episode where Larry and Joe talk >> about Kornfield, almost in passing. That snippet >> tended to confirm what I thought all along (once I >> took JK seriously), which is that Joe weaves in the >> Kornfield bits because there's a richness there and >> lack of irony. If nothing else, the JK segments work >> as a kind of musical or emotional counterpoint (a >> calm >> clear voice against the more manic and anguished and >> ironic voices). >> >> Also, and I think this came up on this list about a >> year ago, during a Bay Area radio interview with JK >> it >> was revealed that he had never heard of Joe Frank! >> >> --- Robert Holland wrote: >> >> > I enjoy the juxtaposition of views and voices that >> > Kornfield brings to the works. It really enhances >> > the >> > stories, from my point of view. >> > >> > Listen to Larry telling his manic stories. Larry's >> > playing a modern voice that you just know couldn't >> > fit >> > into Kornfield's ancient view of life. And >> > Kornfield's >> > performance is quite suave and soothing--he's a >> > salesman. With Kornfield as background, Larry >> leaps >> > from the radio. >> > >> > Instead of us getting 30 minutes of a Larry rant, >> > which could become mundane, by framing Larry with >> > Kornfield, it just makes Larry really come alive. >> It >> > enhances the nuances in Larry's story. >> > >> > I don't see a spiritual search here on Joe's part. >> > Nobody interacts with Kornfield, or pursues >> Buddhist >> > philosophy during the shows. >> > >> > Robert >> > >> > --- Jeff Anton wrote: >> > >> > > It took quite a while for me to stop being >> annoyed >> > > by Jack's voice >> > > in Joe's work. For me, Jack seems like a pale, >> > > monotone and overly >> > > simple version of Alan Watts. Having heard many >> > of >> > > the recordings >> > > of Alan Watts' lectures, Jack puts me to sleep. >> > > Alan's talks and >> > > stories seem very much more like Joe's work to >> me. >> > >> > > I've also thought >> > > that Joe might have run out of his own point of >> > > view. Joe's early >> > > work was often actors doing some reading with >> Joe >> > as >> > > a kind of >> > > narrator or chorus pointing something out. When >> > > Jack Kornfield >> > > showed up, I felt that Joe deligated the >> > > narrator/chorus role to >> > > Jack because so much of those shows are Joe and >> > > Frank or Debi on >> > > the phone. >> > > >> > > Jeff Anton >> > > >> > > Sally wrote: >> > > > >> > > > I would absolutely love to hear what >> everyone's >> > > take on Jack Kornfield >> > > > is, and what they think Joe's take on him is. >> > > > >> > > > I initially regarded them ironically, and >> > assumed >> > > Joe was using them as >> > > > counterpoint to Debi (who seems after a sense >> of >> > > spiritual fulfillment) >> > > > and also sometimes Larry (who seems to >> > > misunderstand Jack completely). >> > > > But, now I've actually gotten really into >> them. >> > I >> > > feel like Joe is >> > > > using them to condemn Debi and Larry's world >> > view. >> > > But, then, does Joe >> > > > subscribe to Jack's philosophies? >> > > > >> > > > -- >> > > > What is an oilostatic? >> > > > sally@oilostatic.com >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> _______________________________________________ >> > > > Joe Frank Mailing List >> > > > joe-frank-list@armory.com >> > > > >> > > >> > >> >http://www.armory.com/mailman/listinfo.cgi/joe-frank-list >> > > > >> > > > >> > > _______________________________________________ >> > > Joe Frank Mailing List >> > > joe-frank-list@armory.com >> > > >> > >> >http://www.armory.com/mailman/listinfo.cgi/joe-frank-list >> > > >> > >> > >> > __________________________________________________ >> > Do You Yahoo!? >> > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam >> > protection around >> > http://mail.yahoo.com >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Joe Frank Mailing List >> > joe-frank-list@armory.com >> > >> >http://www.armory.com/mailman/listinfo.cgi/joe-frank-list >> > >> >> >> __________________________________________________ >> Do You Yahoo!? >> Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam >> protection around >> http://mail.yahoo.com >> _______________________________________________ >> Joe Frank Mailing List >> joe-frank-list@armory.com >> >http://www.armory.com/mailman/listinfo.cgi/joe-frank-list >> > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around >http://mail.yahoo.com > > >------------------------------ > >Message: 5 >Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 19:16:52 -0500 >From: Damon Akins >Subject: Re: [joe-frank-list] Jack Kornfield >To: Joe Frank Mailing List >Message-ID: <7A1C170F-2F41-4007-A768-AFD70B37EDFB@cox.net> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed > >On Alan Watts, back in the late 90s, KPFK used to broadcast him >regularly in the wee hours of the morning. Often, I would find myself >in a very Joe-moment: stumbling back to my car with a heady buzz >after last call, and driving up Silverlake Blvd to the freeway >listening to the program. In that context, very enlightening. But I >imagine, as others have suggested, that with a more neutral approach, >his teachings might fall a bit flat. He has a sonorous voice which is >particularly so at 2:00a. > >On the Joe / Kornfield relationship, I have to agree with others that >what is going on there is much more complex than endorsement / >ridicule. If it were the latter, it might have been on the shows once >or twice. I think it is something like the cracker between wine >tasting rounds, not to call Kornfield a cracker... no racial slur >implied. > >Haven't seen The Cruise. Thrilled abt the podcasts. > > > >On Jun 20, 2006, at 6:28 PM, Tom McDonald wrote: > >> That's my experience too Robert. Except for the part >> about vicodin, which I've never taken, so I'll just >> take yr word for it. >> >> Watts is fascinating to read about, a brilliant and >> colorful character to be sure, but his writing and the >> one or two podcasts I listened to didn't do it for me. >> Is it the kind of thing that appeals to you when yr in >> your early 20s but not so much afterwards? (OK. I did >> read a book of his during my early 20s, and had a kind >> of panic attack. Something about fear of never >> escaping ego or something like that. A true panic >> attack. Never happened before, never happened again. I >> guess that's a sign of powerful writing (or a >> vulnerable young man) but in any case going back to >> him some 20 years later it was a bit of a let down. >> Usually when I go back to things I watched or read 20 >> years ago I find more there, not less.) >> >> Oh, speaking of brilliant and colorful characters, >> have any of you folks seen The Cruise (the documentary >> about a bloke who leads tourist bus cruises in New >> York City)? What did you think? >> >> --- KneeCha@aol.com wrote: >> >>> If you search Alan Watts via iTunes, you can find >>> free podcasts. >>> >>> It's difficult to like Alan Watts after hearing >>> Kornfield. Watts is smart >>> and might make you think, but sometimes, I don't >>> know, I feel like slapping him. >>> >>> Listening to Kornfield can be like taking Vicoden. >>> >>> Robert Wright >>> San Jose >>>> _______________________________________________ >>> Joe Frank Mailing List >>> joe-frank-list@armory.com >>> >> http://www.armory.com/mailman/listinfo.cgi/joe-frank-list >>> >> >> >> __________________________________________________ >> Do You Yahoo!? >> Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around >> http://mail.yahoo.com >> _______________________________________________ >> Joe Frank Mailing List >> joe-frank-list@armory.com >> http://www.armory.com/mailman/listinfo.cgi/joe-frank-list > > > >------------------------------ > >Message: 6 >Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 18:02:07 -0700 (PDT) >From: Larry Dunn >Subject: [joe-frank-list] Re: Jack Kornfield >To: joe-frank-list@armory.com >Message-ID: <20060621010207.11325.qmail@web30009.mail.mud.yahoo.com> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 > >From: "Justin Kempton" > >>But just as Kornfield is appealing in his desire to >>be a good person, one of the things I love about >>Alan Watts, is that he allows for you to be bad. He >>talks of a irreducible rascality in all of us. > >Hardly surprising in someone who drank himself to >death at age 58. Or, more to the point, someone who >went from being a conservative Republican to being ... >a libertarian. :D > >>It's a morality >>based upon the understanding that you are just as >>capable if not more so of being evil in a given >>situation, >>and so you do not judge others for their action. > >Which of course is strictly kindergarten stuff for sthaviravada. > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around >http://mail.yahoo.com > > >------------------------------ > >Message: 7 >Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 21:10:04 -0400 >From: bewareofdog@mac.com >Subject: Re: [joe-frank-list] Re: Jack Kornfield >To: Joe Frank Mailing List >Message-ID: >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed > > > >Larry, your ability to take any conversation and with one turn of >the phrase make it taste sour has us all endlessly licking our lips. > > >On Jun 20, 2006, at 9:02 PM, Larry Dunn wrote: > >> From: "Justin Kempton" >> >>> But just as Kornfield is appealing in his desire to >>> be a good person, one of the things I love about >>> Alan Watts, is that he allows for you to be bad. He >>> talks of a irreducible rascality in all of us. >> >> Hardly surprising in someone who drank himself to >> death at age 58. Or, more to the point, someone who >> went from being a conservative Republican to being ... >> a libertarian. :D >> >>> It's a morality >>> based upon the understanding that you are just as >>> capable if not more so of being evil in a given >>> situation, >>> and so you do not judge others for their action. >> >> Which of course is strictly kindergarten stuff for sthaviravada. >> >> __________________________________________________ >> Do You Yahoo!? >> Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around >> http://mail.yahoo.com >> _______________________________________________ >> Joe Frank Mailing List >> joe-frank-list@armory.com >> http://www.armory.com/mailman/listinfo.cgi/joe-frank-list > > > >------------------------------ > >Message: 8 >Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 22:50:39 EDT >From: SpringyStepps@aol.com >Subject: Re: [joe-frank-list] Jack Kornfield >To: joe-frank-list@armory.com >Message-ID: <48f.2f16ede.31ca0dff@aol.com> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > >In a message dated 6/20/2006 6:31:06 PM Central Standard Time, >awkwardgrace@yahoo.com writes: > >Oh, speaking of brilliant and colorful characters, >have any of you folks seen The Cruise (the documentary >about a bloke who leads tourist bus cruises in New >York City)? What did you think? > > > >I LOVE this doc! I've watched it several times, and I think it's just the >type of art that you could go back to every few years and have more and more >revealed to you and about you. Remember that wonderful scene at World Trade >Center, him on the ground looking up at the buildings? And his conversations >with the local plants and decorative effects on building facades? He would >have been the most original, amazing commentator in the months following 9/11. >-------------- next part -------------- >An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >URL: http://www.armory.com/pipermail/joe-frank-list/attachments/20060620/d130662b/attachment.htm > >------------------------------ > >_______________________________________________ >Joe Frank Mailing List >joe-frank-list@armory.com >http://www.armory.com/mailman/listinfo.cgi/joe-frank-list > > >End of joe-frank-list Digest, Vol 35, Issue 15 >********************************************** From billmilosz at aol.com Tue Jun 20 23:58:39 2006 From: billmilosz at aol.com (billmilosz@aol.com) Date: Tue Jun 20 23:58:50 2006 Subject: [joe-frank-list] TEST MESSAGE TO Joe Frank List Message-ID: <8C8631742703E84-1A2C-11AA@mblk-d12.sysops.aol.com> A few messages I sent are on the site's digest but aren't echoed out on the listserve, it seems...... So, this is a test.... if this were an actual message, something slightly more interested might be written here....this is only a test..... ________________________________________________________________________ Check out AOL.com today. Breaking news, video search, pictures, email and IM. All on demand. Always Free. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.armory.com/pipermail/joe-frank-list/attachments/20060621/1d37ab5f/attachment.htm From majestic_cheese at yahoo.com Fri Jun 23 18:37:26 2006 From: majestic_cheese at yahoo.com (Larry Dunn) Date: Fri Jun 23 18:37:30 2006 Subject: [joe-frank-list] Re: Jack Kornfield In-Reply-To: <200606201952.ac06203@deepthought.armory.com> Message-ID: <20060624013726.77746.qmail@web30009.mail.mud.yahoo.com> From: bewareofdog@mac.com >Larry, your ability to take any conversation and >with one turn of the phrase make it taste sour has >us all endlessly licking our lips. Live to serve ya! :D __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From majestic_cheese at yahoo.com Fri Jun 23 18:40:20 2006 From: majestic_cheese at yahoo.com (Larry Dunn) Date: Fri Jun 23 18:40:23 2006 Subject: [joe-frank-list] Re: joe-frank-list Digest, In-Reply-To: <200606211200.ac02794@deepthought.armory.com> Message-ID: <20060624014020.61383.qmail@web30008.mail.mud.yahoo.com> From: Cynthia Burkey >I >don't enjoy listening to spirituality being directly >discussed by anyone, though, especially anyone nice >and >well-intentioned. It's just not my thing. No, your thing is apparently sending the entire digest in your response. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From ghastly_fop at yahoo.com Sat Jun 24 08:11:41 2006 From: ghastly_fop at yahoo.com (Levent) Date: Sat Jun 24 08:11:45 2006 Subject: [joe-frank-list] Re: joe-frank-list Digest, In-Reply-To: <20060624014020.61383.qmail@web30008.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20060624151141.87809.qmail@web52502.mail.yahoo.com> Larry, Can you stop, please? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From paldek at ix.netcom.com Sat Jun 24 08:31:53 2006 From: paldek at ix.netcom.com (Marc Plainguet) Date: Sat Jun 24 08:31:58 2006 Subject: [joe-frank-list] Re: joe-frank-list Digest, In-Reply-To: <20060624151141.87809.qmail@web52502.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I second that. It would be nice to have discussions of Joe Frank without the attitude. Marc Plainguet -----Original Message----- From: joe-frank-list-bounces@armory.com [mailto:joe-frank-list-bounces@armory.com]On Behalf Of Levent Sent: Saturday, June 24, 2006 11:12 AM To: Joe Frank Mailing List Subject: Re: [joe-frank-list] Re: joe-frank-list Digest, Larry, Can you stop, please? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ Joe Frank Mailing List joe-frank-list@armory.com http://www.armory.com/mailman/listinfo.cgi/joe-frank-list From majestic_cheese at yahoo.com Sun Jun 25 12:21:46 2006 From: majestic_cheese at yahoo.com (Larry Dunn) Date: Sun Jun 25 12:21:49 2006 Subject: [joe-frank-list] Re: joe-frank-list Digest, Vol 35, Issue 17 In-Reply-To: <200606241201.ac19639@deepthought.armory.com> Message-ID: <20060625192146.64389.qmail@web30008.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- joe-frank-list-request@armory.com wrote: > Larry, > Can you stop, please? Sure, as soon as people learn how to reply correctly. You don't post the entire digest in your response. You clip it to what's relevant. In fact, that's such horrendous netiquette that Yahoo Groups, the biggest mailing list service, has had to take measure to prevent it. A quick websearch turns up about a million messages complaining about this kind of bad behavior. Example: http://lists.evolt.org/archive/Week-of-Mon-20010402/029280.html So why not try to help correct that, instead of using it as an excuse to go negative on me because you wrote something snotty to me offlist and I responded in a way that might have hurt your fragile ego. Ok chief? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From ghastly_fop at yahoo.com Mon Jun 26 09:20:49 2006 From: ghastly_fop at yahoo.com (Levent) Date: Mon Jun 26 09:20:53 2006 Subject: [joe-frank-list] Re: joe-frank-list Digest, Vol 35, Issue 17 In-Reply-To: <20060625192146.64389.qmail@web30008.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20060626162049.41884.qmail@web52505.mail.yahoo.com> Yes...because this list is not the place for spats or personal attacks. In the interest of maintaining the list's integrity, does anyone else think we could perhaps establish some guidelines so that rational, productive discussions and dialogues aren't derailed in this way? I think that most people on this list, even those who are not frequent contributors, appreciate having this forum to discuss or simply read other's thoughts about Joe's work, and it would be nice if we could all, while posting TO the list, maintain positive, polite attitudes. If someone does have a personal problem with someone else's comments, this list is not the place to take it up. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From SpringyStepps at aol.com Mon Jun 26 11:48:28 2006 From: SpringyStepps at aol.com (SpringyStepps@aol.com) Date: Mon Jun 26 11:48:34 2006 Subject: [joe-frank-list] Re: joe-frank-list Digest, Vol 35, Issue 17 Message-ID: <51d.1c5c0f7.31d185fc@aol.com> Public scoldings are kind of a downer. I'd rather the parties took it to private e-mail. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.armory.com/pipermail/joe-frank-list/attachments/20060626/1a1649c5/attachment.htm From sendme at earthlink.net Mon Jun 26 12:13:19 2006 From: sendme at earthlink.net (sendme@earthlink.net) Date: Mon Jun 26 12:13:29 2006 Subject: [joe-frank-list] RE: joe-frank-list Digest, Vol 35, Issue 18 Message-ID: <410-220066126191319721@earthlink.net> >sorry. i haven't participated in this kind of list before. > Sure, as soon as people learn how to reply correctly. > > > You don't post the entire digest in your response. > You clip it to what's relevant. In fact, that's such > horrendous netiquette that Yahoo Groups, the biggest > mailing list service, has had to take measure to > prevent it. > > A quick websearch turns up about a million messages > complaining about this kind of bad behavior. Example: > > http://lists.evolt.org/archive/Week-of-Mon-20010402/029280.html > From spblat at gmail.com Mon Jun 26 12:22:51 2006 From: spblat at gmail.com (Will Irace) Date: Mon Jun 26 12:25:26 2006 Subject: [joe-frank-list] Re: joe-frank-list Digest, Vol 35, Issue 17 In-Reply-To: <20060626162049.41884.qmail@web52505.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20060625192146.64389.qmail@web30008.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <20060626162049.41884.qmail@web52505.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Amen. I for one would much rather see someone participate in the discussion and accidentally include the whole digest in a reply than be yelled at and possibly wander off in search of a less uptight community. Joe Frank fans are a rare breed; let's stick together. Rules are good, why not. May I suggest the Joe Frank Wiki as a place to maintain an "about the mailing list and how to behave there" page. I have created such a page (without any rules, interested parties are free to make up and change the rules as they go along) at: http://jfwiki.org/index.php/Joe_Frank_Mailing_List --W On 6/26/06, Levent wrote: > Yes...because this list is not the place for spats or > personal attacks. > > In the interest of maintaining the list's integrity, > does anyone else think we could perhaps establish some > guidelines so that rational, productive discussions > and dialogues aren't derailed in this way? I think > that most people on this list, even those who are not > frequent contributors, appreciate having this forum to > discuss or simply read other's thoughts about Joe's > work, and it would be nice if we could all, while > posting TO the list, maintain positive, polite > attitudes. If someone does have a personal problem > with someone else's comments, this list is not the > place to take it up. > From majestic_cheese at yahoo.com Mon Jun 26 17:20:31 2006 From: majestic_cheese at yahoo.com (Larry Dunn) Date: Mon Jun 26 17:20:34 2006 Subject: [joe-frank-list] Re: joe-frank-list In-Reply-To: <200606261203.ac17735@deepthought.armory.com> Message-ID: <20060627002031.79134.qmail@web30002.mail.mud.yahoo.com> From: Levent >In the interest of maintaining the list's integrity, >does anyone else think we could perhaps establish >some >guidelines so that rational, productive discussions >and dialogues aren't derailed in this way? Wow, amazing how much that sounded like your own caricature of Jack Kornfield. What would Alan Watts say? :D I'll tell you what. Establish the requirements of basic netiquette and complaints like mine, about people posting the ENTIRE DIGEST in a response, would vanish. I've been asking people to trim their messages for quite some time, to no avail, so good luck with your crusade -- which sounds a lot like stifling all disagreement with what you write, which you characterize (adorably) as "derailing the dialogue." __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From justin at kempton.com Mon Jun 26 17:35:22 2006 From: justin at kempton.com (Justin Kempton) Date: Mon Jun 26 17:38:51 2006 Subject: [joe-frank-list] Re: joe-frank-list In-Reply-To: <20060627002031.79134.qmail@web30002.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060627002031.79134.qmail@web30002.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <44A07D4A.2070904@kempton.com> What prunes invigorates. I bet he would say something like that. Larry Dunn wrote: >> In the interest of maintaining the list's integrity, >> does anyone else think we could perhaps establish >> some guidelines so that rational, productive discussions >> and dialogues aren't derailed in this way? >> > Wow, amazing how much that sounded like your own > caricature of Jack Kornfield. What would Alan Watts > say? :D > > I'll tell you what. Establish the requirements of > basic netiquette and complaints like mine, about > people posting the ENTIRE DIGEST in a response, would > vanish. > > I've been asking people to trim their messages for > quite some time, to no avail, so good luck with your > crusade -- which sounds a lot like stifling all > disagreement with what you write, which you > characterize (adorably) as "derailing the dialogue." > > From paldek at ix.netcom.com Mon Jun 26 20:17:22 2006 From: paldek at ix.netcom.com (Marc Plainguet) Date: Mon Jun 26 20:17:27 2006 Subject: [joe-frank-list] Re: joe-frank-list In-Reply-To: <20060627002031.79134.qmail@web30002.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: >I've been asking people to trim their messages for >quite some time, to no avail, so good luck with your >crusade -- which sounds a lot like stifling all >disagreement with what you write, which you >characterize (adorably) as "derailing the dialogue." Disagreement is fine. I've seen nothing to indicate anyone wants to stifle disagreements. It's the attitude that's the problem. I'll take scrolling down an e-mail a few more inches over abusiveness any day. Marc From rogerantibodies at hotmail.com Tue Jun 27 05:25:58 2006 From: rogerantibodies at hotmail.com (ROGER HILL) Date: Tue Jun 27 05:26:06 2006 Subject: [joe-frank-list] attitude Message-ID: I have to agree with some of the others who can do without Larry Dunn's attitude toward others on this list. I am sure that there are far more important things in this world than failing to trim a message and I for one don't care for self appointed "internet police" to be so unkind to others. In fact, I am much more interested in Joe Frank's health and his ability & motivation to create new shows. I thought that discussion about Joe Frank and his work was the purpose of this list in the first place. Larry, if you have something to offer about Joe or his work, I am interested in reading it. If you have other opinions or negative attitudes toward others, please take it somewhere else. Roger From rholland356 at yahoo.com Tue Jun 27 10:10:22 2006 From: rholland356 at yahoo.com (Robert Holland) Date: Tue Jun 27 10:10:25 2006 Subject: [joe-frank-list] Re: joe-frank-list In-Reply-To: <44A07D4A.2070904@kempton.com> Message-ID: <20060627171022.53714.qmail@web32508.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Alan Watts talked about poo? Clearly a man for modern times! --- Justin Kempton wrote: > What prunes invigorates. > > I bet he would say something like that. > > Larry Dunn wrote: > >> In the interest of maintaining the list's > integrity, > >> does anyone else think we could perhaps establish > >> some guidelines so that rational, productive > discussions > >> and dialogues aren't derailed in this way? > >> > > Wow, amazing how much that sounded like your own > > caricature of Jack Kornfield. What would Alan > Watts > > say? :D > > > > I'll tell you what. Establish the requirements of > > basic netiquette and complaints like mine, about > > people posting the ENTIRE DIGEST in a response, > would > > vanish. > > > > I've been asking people to trim their messages for > > quite some time, to no avail, so good luck with > your > > crusade -- which sounds a lot like stifling all > > disagreement with what you write, which you > > characterize (adorably) as "derailing the > dialogue." > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Joe Frank Mailing List > joe-frank-list@armory.com > http://www.armory.com/mailman/listinfo.cgi/joe-frank-list > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From rholland356 at yahoo.com Tue Jun 27 10:20:15 2006 From: rholland356 at yahoo.com (Robert Holland) Date: Tue Jun 27 10:20:21 2006 Subject: [joe-frank-list] attitude In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20060627172015.12467.qmail@web32509.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Well, Roger, if you were to take your own medicine, you wouldn't have posted at all. There is no news about Joe's health or his production schedule. And if there were news about Joe's health, how absolutely boorish for us to natter about it. Aww, crap. Now I'm a scold. OK, all is not lost. I'll delete my message without reading it... I suggest you do the same! Robert --- ROGER HILL wrote: > > I have to agree with some of the others who can do > without Larry Dunn's > attitude toward others on this list. I am sure that > there are far more > important things in this world than failing to trim > a message and I for one > don't care for self appointed "internet police" to > be so unkind to others. > In fact, I am much more interested in Joe Frank's > health and his ability & > motivation to create new shows. I thought that > discussion about Joe Frank > and his work was the purpose of this list in the > first place. Larry, if you > have something to offer about Joe or his work, I am > interested in reading > it. If you have other opinions or negative > attitudes toward others, please > take it somewhere else. > > Roger > > > _______________________________________________ > Joe Frank Mailing List > joe-frank-list@armory.com > http://www.armory.com/mailman/listinfo.cgi/joe-frank-list > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From spblat at gmail.com Tue Jun 27 10:39:08 2006 From: spblat at gmail.com (Will Irace) Date: Tue Jun 27 10:44:12 2006 Subject: [joe-frank-list] Re: joe-frank-list In-Reply-To: <20060627002031.79134.qmail@web30002.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <200606261203.ac17735@deepthought.armory.com> <20060627002031.79134.qmail@web30002.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Larry! You're the only one who cares about this. By all means, please go ahead and write the rules. I bet most of us will support them. And then someone will violate them. And again, you'll be the only one who cares. And we'll ask you to politely and *privately* refer the offender to the rules. And when you continue to try to publicly and rudely enforce netiquette because of what a burden it is upon you to delete improperly pruned e-mails, you'll be the one who needs a public scolding. I refer you to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_troll Cheers. On 6/26/06, Larry Dunn wrote: > > I'll tell you what. Establish the requirements of > basic netiquette and complaints like mine, about > people posting the ENTIRE DIGEST in a response, would > vanish. > > I've been asking people to trim their messages for > quite some time, to no avail, so good luck with your > crusade -- which sounds a lot like stifling all > disagreement with what you write, which you > characterize (adorably) as "derailing the dialogue." > From harold.johnson at gmail.com Wed Jun 28 13:13:15 2006 From: harold.johnson at gmail.com (Harold Johnson) Date: Wed Jun 28 13:15:24 2006 Subject: [joe-frank-list] attitude In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2dbaf4d80606281313l1cb634c5x17774c55f015fc6b@mail.gmail.com> Are we back to this nonsense? Just ignore Larry Dunn, or meet his demands. 'Nuff said. Heard Joe's podcast yet? Harold On 6/27/06, ROGER HILL wrote: > > > I have to agree with some of the others who can do without Larry Dunn's > attitude toward others on this list. I am sure that there are far more > important things in this world than failing to trim a message and I for > one > don't care for self appointed "internet police" to be so unkind to others. > In fact, I am much more interested in Joe Frank's health and his ability & > motivation to create new shows. I thought that discussion about Joe Frank > and his work was the purpose of this list in the first place. Larry, if > you > have something to offer about Joe or his work, I am interested in reading > it. If you have other opinions or negative attitudes toward others, > please > take it somewhere else. > > Roger > > > _______________________________________________ > Joe Frank Mailing List > joe-frank-list@armory.com > http://www.armory.com/mailman/listinfo.cgi/joe-frank-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.armory.com/pipermail/joe-frank-list/attachments/20060628/5a7fe6db/attachment.htm From karenladeeda at aol.com Wed Jun 28 13:21:48 2006 From: karenladeeda at aol.com (karenladeeda@aol.com) Date: Wed Jun 28 13:21:55 2006 Subject: [joe-frank-list] attitude In-Reply-To: <2dbaf4d80606281313l1cb634c5x17774c55f015fc6b@mail.gmail.com> References: <2dbaf4d80606281313l1cb634c5x17774c55f015fc6b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <8C869079E40E9FD-186C-4E2@MBLK-M34.sysops.aol.com> sorry if I missed this, but where do I find joes pod cast? his website? I should have checked that first? -----Original Message----- From: Harold Johnson To: Joe Frank Mailing List Sent: Wed, 28 Jun 2006 13:13:15 -0700 Subject: Re: [joe-frank-list] attitude Are we back to this nonsense? Just ignore Larry Dunn, or meet his demands. 'Nuff said. Heard Joe's podcast yet? Harold On 6/27/06, ROGER HILL wrote: I have to agree with some of the others who can do without Larry Dunn's attitude toward others on this list. I am sure that there are far more important things in this world than failing to trim a message and I for one don't care for self appointed "internet police" to be so unkind to others. In fact, I am much more interested in Joe Frank's health and his ability & motivation to create new shows. I thought that discussion about Joe Frank and his work was the purpose of this list in the first place. Larry, if you have something to offer about Joe or his work, I am interested in reading it. If you have other opinions or negative attitudes toward others, please take it somewhere else. Roger _______________________________________________ Joe Frank Mailing List joe-frank-list@armory.com http://www.armory.com/mailman/listinfo.cgi/joe-frank-list _______________________________________________ Joe Frank Mailing List joe-frank-list@armory.com http://www.armory.com/mailman/listinfo.cgi/joe-frank-list ________________________________________________________________________ Check out AOL.com today. Breaking news, video search, pictures, email and IM. All on demand. Always Free. From awkwardgrace at yahoo.com Wed Jun 28 14:37:28 2006 From: awkwardgrace at yahoo.com (Tom McDonald) Date: Wed Jun 28 14:39:55 2006 Subject: [joe-frank-list] attitude In-Reply-To: <8C869079E40E9FD-186C-4E2@MBLK-M34.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <20060628213728.90639.qmail@web51805.mail.yahoo.com> Wow, somehow I overlooked this podcast. Karen: do you have iTunes? If so, start the Apple music store within iTunes, click the podcasts category and do a search on Joe Frank. You'll find something called "Joe Frank Radio." This is great exposure for him. Interesting to see some of the things like the listing of what other subscribers have also subscribed to. (Ah, there's Alan Watts. There's Benjamen Walker.) If you don't have iTunes you can probably go to JoeFrank.com and search around for a link to it. --- karenladeeda@aol.com wrote: > > sorry if I missed this, but where do I find joes pod > cast? his > website? I should have checked that first? > -----Original Message----- > From: Harold Johnson > To: Joe Frank Mailing List > > Sent: Wed, 28 Jun 2006 13:13:15 -0700 > Subject: Re: [joe-frank-list] attitude > > Are we back to this nonsense? Just ignore Larry > Dunn, or meet his > demands. 'Nuff said. Heard Joe's podcast yet? > > Harold > > > On 6/27/06, ROGER HILL > wrote: > I have to agree with some of the others who can do > without Larry Dunn's > attitude toward others on this list. I am sure that > there are far more > important things in this world than failing to trim > a message and I for > one > don't care for self appointed "internet police" to > be so unkind to > others. > In fact, I am much more interested in Joe Frank's > health and his > ability & > motivation to create new shows. I thought that > discussion about Joe > Frank > and his work was the purpose of this list in the > first place. Larry, if > you > have something to offer about Joe or his work, I am > interested in > reading > it. If you have other opinions or negative attitudes > toward others, > please > take it somewhere else. > > Roger > > > _______________________________________________ > Joe Frank Mailing List > joe-frank-list@armory.com > http://www.armory.com/mailman/listinfo.cgi/joe-frank-list > > > > _______________________________________________ > Joe Frank Mailing List > joe-frank-list@armory.com > http://www.armory.com/mailman/listinfo.cgi/joe-frank-list > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > Check out AOL.com today. Breaking news, video > search, pictures, email > and IM. All on demand. Always Free. > > _______________________________________________ > Joe Frank Mailing List > joe-frank-list@armory.com > http://www.armory.com/mailman/listinfo.cgi/joe-frank-list > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From karenladeeda at aol.com Wed Jun 28 15:10:43 2006 From: karenladeeda at aol.com (karenladeeda@aol.com) Date: Wed Jun 28 15:10:52 2006 Subject: [joe-frank-list] attitude In-Reply-To: <20060628213728.90639.qmail@web51805.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <8C86916D520DE97-186C-E90@MBLK-M34.sysops.aol.com> thank you -----Original Message----- From: Tom McDonald To: Joe Frank Mailing List Sent: Wed, 28 Jun 2006 14:37:28 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [joe-frank-list] attitude Wow, somehow I overlooked this podcast. Karen: do you have iTunes? If so, start the Apple music store within iTunes, click the podcasts category and do a search on Joe Frank. You'll find something called "Joe Frank Radio." This is great exposure for him. Interesting to see some of the things like the listing of what other subscribers have also subscribed to. (Ah, there's Alan Watts. There's Benjamen Walker.) If you don't have iTunes you can probably go to JoeFrank.com and search around for a link to it. --- karenladeeda@aol.com wrote: > > sorry if I missed this, but where do I find joes pod > cast? his > website? I should have checked that first? > -----Original Message----- > From: Harold Johnson > To: Joe Frank Mailing List > > Sent: Wed, 28 Jun 2006 13:13:15 -0700 > Subject: Re: [joe-frank-list] attitude > > Are we back to this nonsense? Just ignore Larry > Dunn, or meet his > demands. 'Nuff said. Heard Joe's podcast yet? > > Harold > > > On 6/27/06, ROGER HILL > wrote: > I have to agree with some of the others who can do > without Larry Dunn's > attitude toward others on this list. I am sure that > there are far more > important things in this world than failing to trim > a message and I for > one > don't care for self appointed "internet police" to > be so unkind to > others. > In fact, I am much more interested in Joe Frank's > health and his > ability & > motivation to create new shows. I thought that > discussion about Joe > Frank > and his work was the purpose of this list in the > first place. Larry, if > you > have something to offer about Joe or his work, I am > interested in > reading > it. If you have other opinions or negative attitudes > toward others, > please > take it somewhere else. > > Roger > > > _______________________________________________ > Joe Frank Mailing List > joe-frank-list@armory.com > http://www.armory.com/mailman/listinfo.cgi/joe-frank-list > > > > _______________________________________________ > Joe Frank Mailing List > joe-frank-list@armory.com > http://www.armory.com/mailman/listinfo.cgi/joe-frank-list > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > Check out AOL.com today. Breaking news, video > search, pictures, email > and IM. All on demand. Always Free. > > _______________________________________________ > Joe Frank Mailing List > joe-frank-list@armory.com > http://www.armory.com/mailman/listinfo.cgi/joe-frank-list > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ Joe Frank Mailing List joe-frank-list@armory.com http://www.armory.com/mailman/listinfo.cgi/joe-frank-list ________________________________________________________________________ Check out AOL.com today. Breaking news, video search, pictures, email and IM. All on demand. Always Free. From bobl at 1amsoftware.com Wed Jun 28 18:16:10 2006 From: bobl at 1amsoftware.com (Bob Lee) Date: Wed Jun 28 18:21:55 2006 Subject: [joe-frank-list] attitude References: <2dbaf4d80606281313l1cb634c5x17774c55f015fc6b@mail.gmail.com> <8C869079E40E9FD-186C-4E2@MBLK-M34.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <02d801c69b19$d8e28790$6112060a@IBMBOBSX30> Here is the podcast feed. http://joefrank.com/cast/ Bob Lee ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, June 28, 2006 1:21 PM Subject: Re: [joe-frank-list] attitude > > sorry if I missed this, but where do I find joes pod cast? his > website? I should have checked that first? > -----Original Message----- > From: Harold Johnson > To: Joe Frank Mailing List > Sent: Wed, 28 Jun 2006 13:13:15 -0700 > Subject: Re: [joe-frank-list] attitude > > Are we back to this nonsense? Just ignore Larry Dunn, or meet his > demands. 'Nuff said. Heard Joe's podcast yet? > > Harold > > > On 6/27/06, ROGER HILL wrote: > I have to agree with some of the others who can do without Larry Dunn's > attitude toward others on this list. I am sure that there are far more > important things in this world than failing to trim a message and I for > one > don't care for self appointed "internet police" to be so unkind to > others. > In fact, I am much more interested in Joe Frank's health and his > ability & > motivation to create new shows. I thought that discussion about Joe > Frank > and his work was the purpose of this list in the first place. Larry, if > you > have something to offer about Joe or his work, I am interested in > reading > it. If you have other opinions or negative attitudes toward others, > please > take it somewhere else. > > Roger > > > _______________________________________________ > Joe Frank Mailing List > joe-frank-list@armory.com > http://www.armory.com/mailman/listinfo.cgi/joe-frank-list > > > > _______________________________________________ > Joe Frank Mailing List > joe-frank-list@armory.com > http://www.armory.com/mailman/listinfo.cgi/joe-frank-list > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > Check out AOL.com today. Breaking news, video search, pictures, email > and IM. All on demand. Always Free. > > _______________________________________________ > Joe Frank Mailing List > joe-frank-list@armory.com > http://www.armory.com/mailman/listinfo.cgi/joe-frank-list > From LBlockD at aol.com Thu Jun 29 08:12:22 2006 From: LBlockD at aol.com (LBlockD@aol.com) Date: Thu Jun 29 08:12:31 2006 Subject: [joe-frank-list] Re: joe-frank-list Digest, Vol 35, Issue 19 Message-ID: <537.1e35930.31d547d6@aol.com> Larry Dunn is not the Larry heard in Joe's work -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.armory.com/pipermail/joe-frank-list/attachments/20060629/3d7ee497/attachment.htm From bewareofdog at mac.com Thu Jun 29 13:04:12 2006 From: bewareofdog at mac.com (bewareofdog@mac.com) Date: Thu Jun 29 13:04:22 2006 Subject: [joe-frank-list] joe-frank-list In-Reply-To: <537.1e35930.31d547d6@aol.com> References: <537.1e35930.31d547d6@aol.com> Message-ID: Just out of curiosity, how many here are in NYC? I'm thinking we could all meet up for drink sometime, put a face to the name. From joe-frank-list at amalon.com Thu Jun 29 13:40:51 2006 From: joe-frank-list at amalon.com (David Gutierrez) Date: Thu Jun 29 13:41:36 2006 Subject: [joe-frank-list] joe-frank-list In-Reply-To: References: <537.1e35930.31d547d6@aol.com> Message-ID: <3144.69.115.97.99.1151613651.squirrel@khordos.com> I'm here in Central Jersey and make it into the city several times a week. I'd definitely show up to something like this. Does anyone want to start a group on meetup.com? I think the Los Angeles folks have one set up. http://www.meetup.com if anyone is interested. Dave > > > Just out of curiosity, how many here are in NYC? > > I'm thinking we could all meet up for drink sometime, put a face to > the name. > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Joe Frank Mailing List > joe-frank-list@armory.com > http://www.armory.com/mailman/listinfo.cgi/joe-frank-list From bobl at 1amsoftware.com Thu Jun 29 14:28:59 2006 From: bobl at 1amsoftware.com (Bob Lee) Date: Thu Jun 29 14:33:02 2006 Subject: [joe-frank-list] joe-frank-list References: <537.1e35930.31d547d6@aol.com> Message-ID: <028501c69bc3$098f44b0$6112060a@IBMBOBSX30> sorry, just left.. Back in sunny Los Angeles. !! Bob Lee ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Joe Frank Mailing List" Sent: Thursday, June 29, 2006 1:04 PM Subject: [joe-frank-list] joe-frank-list > > > Just out of curiosity, how many here are in NYC? > > I'm thinking we could all meet up for drink sometime, put a face to > the name. > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Joe Frank Mailing List > joe-frank-list@armory.com > http://www.armory.com/mailman/listinfo.cgi/joe-frank-list >