From uhohjf at yahoo.com Tue Apr 4 23:08:03 2006 From: uhohjf at yahoo.com (B T) Date: Tue Apr 4 23:08:05 2006 Subject: [joe-frank-list] Memories by Joe Frank (film vs radio) Message-ID: <20060405060803.69727.qmail@web31909.mail.mud.yahoo.com> (where are you all Frankophiles?) I just recently re-signed up to joefrank.com and listened/watched that rare film, "Memories" by Joe Frank. Though I've enjoy(ed) Joe on the radio with his voice and ambient music in the background all these years, these films have really opened the possibilities of putting Joe's stories/thoughts on film. In one extreme, you have a film such as "After Hours" which has a scene or two directly from Joe's work. But while watching it, you don't get that Joe Frank feel--that dark milieu--mostly his raspy voice, the droning beats that's all part of what we know as the Joe Frank experience. Sure, some may argue that his programs do have parts with non-Joe characters interacting with other characters without background music, and still you feel that it's a Joe program. But there's something lacking in the above film. Films that work for Joe's programs have several nuances. First, they're black and white. It brings you back to days long gone when color was only in the imaginations. Perhaps it is like this very discussion of film vs radio where radio was what existed before television. It's not too new as to lose it's original appeal. Second, there are dream like sequences to them. Not only in content, but in how we are shown what is going on. In "Memories," some shots are done very smoothly by a talented steady cam operator moving from place to place as if we were hovering. It relates to some of Joe's programs where the listener is really just hovering above listening in on a conversation or more compelling, the inner thoughts of a character or Joe himself. Thirdly, the use of blurring. Characters are at times left unfocused. This works wonderfully to enhance what is being said by the narrator, mostly Joe. You aren't so much observing what they are wearing or how they look but listening in on their thoughts. It allows us to watch the film and yet, still have the priority be on what you hear. Forthly, the pace. It's slow compared to hollywood's 21 min weekly half hour shows where they try to cram in as much information to have a resolution to their story. The slowness allows you to take in what you're listening. It's like when Joe finishes a part of his monologue, and the music continues so as to indirectly say, 'there, now ponder over it.' Fifthly, and most important, the film MUST have Joe's voice and music interspersed within it. B __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From sendme at earthlink.net Wed Apr 5 12:30:32 2006 From: sendme at earthlink.net (sendme@earthlink.net) Date: Wed Apr 5 12:30:40 2006 Subject: [joe-frank-list] RE: joe-frank-list Digest, Vol 33, Issue 1 Message-ID: <410-22006435193032726@earthlink.net> > > > (where are you all Frankophiles?) > > I just recently re-signed up to joefrank.com and listened/watched that rare > film, "Memories" by Joe Frank. > > Though I've enjoy(ed) Joe on the radio with his voice and ambient music in the > background all these years, these films have really opened the possibilities of > putting Joe's stories/thoughts on film. > it would be really great if a filmmaker really could catch the "essence" of jf's style. there's a film by chel white called 'dirt' that's kind of cute and goes off in one possible sort of direction. really so much could be done if jf-style storytelling could really be caught on film. style is really the wrong word, i think. your ideas are great. surely there are fans in the film world. i wish someone would find it worth a shot. i just came across this website on an unforgettable short film i saw several years ago at the L.A. 'Dances With Films' festival. it's nothing to do with jf, but it was very moving. it's available on dvd and i just ordered it.......i am technically challenged and don't own a dvd player (or a tv), but i still had to own it....maybe jf fans would enjoy it. http://mostthemovie.com From sendme at earthlink.net Wed Apr 5 12:41:39 2006 From: sendme at earthlink.net (sendme@earthlink.net) Date: Wed Apr 5 12:41:47 2006 Subject: [joe-frank-list] jf on film Message-ID: <410-22006435194139505@earthlink.net> i signed up about a month ago and this is the first post since then...there is mention on the jf sight that he relocated...i wonder if he is still in southern cal, does anyone know? > > > (where are you all Frankophiles?) that was my thought.... > > I just recently re-signed up to joefrank.com and listened/watched that rare > film, "Memories" by Joe Frank. > > Though I've enjoy(ed) Joe on the radio with his voice and ambient music in the > background all these years, these films have really opened the possibilities of > putting Joe's stories/thoughts on film. > it would be really great if a filmmaker really could catch the "essence" of jf's style. there's a film by chel white called 'dirt' that's kind of cute and goes off in one possible sort of direction. really so much could be done if jf-style storytelling could really be caught on film. style is really the wrong word, i think. your ideas are great. surely there are fans in the film world. i wish someone would find it worth a shot. i just came across this website on an unforgettable short film i saw several years ago at the L.A. 'Dances With Films' festival. it's nothing to do with jf, but it was very moving. it's available on dvd and i just ordered it.......i am technically challenged and don't own a dvd player (or a tv), but i still had to own it....maybe jf fans would enjoy it. http://mostthemovie.com ____________________________________________________________________________ Good night America, how are you? Say don't you know me? I'm your native son! I'm the train they call the City of New Orleans. I'll be gone 500 miles when the day is done. - Steve Goodman cindi sendme @earthlink.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.armory.com/pipermail/joe-frank-list/attachments/20060405/88344fe5/attachment.htm From billmilosz at aol.com Wed Apr 5 14:48:37 2006 From: billmilosz at aol.com (billmilosz@aol.com) Date: Wed Apr 5 14:48:45 2006 Subject: [joe-frank-list] jf on film In-Reply-To: <410-22006435194139505@earthlink.net> References: <410-22006435194139505@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <8C82711D40875B9-1740-2801@MBLK-M14.sysops.aol.com> Yes, So Cal someplace, maybe Sta Monica -----Original Message----- From: sendme@earthlink.net To: joe-frank-list@armory.com Sent: Wed, 5 Apr 2006 12:41:39 -0700 Subject: [joe-frank-list] jf on film i signed up about a month ago and this is the first post since then...there is mention on the jf sight that he relocated...i wonder if he is still in southern cal, does anyone know? > > > (where are you all Frankophiles?) that was my thought.... > > I just recently re-signed up to joefrank.com and listened/watched that rare > film, "Memories" by Joe Frank. > > Though I've enjoy(ed) Joe on the radio with his voice and ambient music in the > background all these years, these films have really opened the possibilities of > putting Joe's stories/thoughts on film. > it would be really great if a filmmaker really could catch the "essence" of jf's style. there's a film by chel white called 'dirt' that's kind of cute and goes off in one possible sort of direction. really so much could be done if jf-style storytelling could really be caught on film. style is really the wrong word, i think. your ideas are great. surely there are fans in the film world. i wish someone would find it worth a shot. i just came across this website on an unforgettable short film i saw several years ago at the L.A. 'Dances With Films' festival. it's nothing to do with jf, but it was very moving. it's available on dvd and i just ordered it.......i am technically challenged and don't own a dvd player (or a tv), but i still had to own it....maybe jf fans would enjoy it. http://mostthemovie.com ____________________________________________________________________________ Good night America, how are you? Say don't you know me? I'm your native son! I'm the train they call the City of New Orleans. I'll be gone 500 miles when the day is done. - Steve Goodman cindi sendme @earthlink.net _______________________________________________ Joe Frank Mailing List joe-frank-list@armory.com http://www.armory.com/mailman/listinfo.cgi/joe-frank-list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.armory.com/pipermail/joe-frank-list/attachments/20060405/431bbe6b/attachment.htm From majestic_cheese at yahoo.com Wed Apr 5 19:21:57 2006 From: majestic_cheese at yahoo.com (Larry Dunn) Date: Wed Apr 5 19:22:01 2006 Subject: [joe-frank-list] Re: Memories by Joe Frank (film vs radio) (B T) In-Reply-To: <200604051200.ac05608@deepthought.armory.com> Message-ID: <20060406022157.91473.qmail@web30013.mail.mud.yahoo.com> > From: B T > (where are you all Frankophiles?) Pretty much the same place as you -- sitting around not posting. > Though I've enjoy(ed) Joe on the radio with his > voice and ambient music in the > background all these years, these films have really > opened the possibilities of > putting Joe's stories/thoughts on film. Oh, I think they close down many of the possibilities. The story heard is the story interpreted in a million different ways, differently in each imagination -- differently each time heard, even twice by the same person. The story seen and heard becomes something less open to interpretation. > In one extreme, you have a film such as "After > Hours" which has a scene or two > directly from Joe's work. But while watching it, > you don't get that Joe Frank > feel--that dark milieu--mostly his raspy voice, Do you really think Joe has a "raspy voice?" Maybe you're thinking of Larry Block. :D I'd argue that Joe's voice is about as far from raspy as you can get. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From bobl at 1amsoftware.com Wed Apr 5 19:32:49 2006 From: bobl at 1amsoftware.com (Bob Lee) Date: Wed Apr 5 19:36:49 2006 Subject: [joe-frank-list] Re: Memories by Joe Frank (film vs radio) (B T) References: <20060406022157.91473.qmail@web30013.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <00c401c65922$6a8be130$0542fea9@IBMBOBSX30> Listening to a few new favorites I recently rediscovered Words Zen Raymon.. Bob Lee ----- Original Message ----- From: "Larry Dunn" To: Sent: Wednesday, April 05, 2006 10:21 PM Subject: [joe-frank-list] Re: Memories by Joe Frank (film vs radio) (B T) >> From: B T > >> (where are you all Frankophiles?) > > Pretty much the same place as you -- sitting around > not posting. > >> Though I've enjoy(ed) Joe on the radio with his >> voice and ambient music in the >> background all these years, these films have really >> opened the possibilities of >> putting Joe's stories/thoughts on film. > > Oh, I think they close down many of the possibilities. > The story heard is the story interpreted in a million > different ways, differently in each imagination -- > differently each time heard, even twice by the same > person. The story seen and heard becomes something > less open to interpretation. > >> In one extreme, you have a film such as "After >> Hours" which has a scene or two >> directly from Joe's work. But while watching it, >> you don't get that Joe Frank >> feel--that dark milieu--mostly his raspy voice, > > Do you really think Joe has a "raspy voice?" Maybe > you're thinking of Larry Block. :D > > I'd argue that Joe's voice is about as far from raspy > as you can get. > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > Joe Frank Mailing List > joe-frank-list@armory.com > http://www.armory.com/mailman/listinfo.cgi/joe-frank-list > From bobl at 1amsoftware.com Wed Apr 5 19:33:23 2006 From: bobl at 1amsoftware.com (Bob Lee) Date: Wed Apr 5 19:37:22 2006 Subject: [joe-frank-list] Re: Memories by Joe Frank (film vs radio) (B T) References: <20060406022157.91473.qmail@web30013.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <00cb01c65922$7bdfea30$0542fea9@IBMBOBSX30> p.s.. Still in NYC ,but moving back to LA in a few months.. Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: "Larry Dunn" To: Sent: Wednesday, April 05, 2006 10:21 PM Subject: [joe-frank-list] Re: Memories by Joe Frank (film vs radio) (B T) >> From: B T > >> (where are you all Frankophiles?) > > Pretty much the same place as you -- sitting around > not posting. > >> Though I've enjoy(ed) Joe on the radio with his >> voice and ambient music in the >> background all these years, these films have really >> opened the possibilities of >> putting Joe's stories/thoughts on film. > > Oh, I think they close down many of the possibilities. > The story heard is the story interpreted in a million > different ways, differently in each imagination -- > differently each time heard, even twice by the same > person. The story seen and heard becomes something > less open to interpretation. > >> In one extreme, you have a film such as "After >> Hours" which has a scene or two >> directly from Joe's work. But while watching it, >> you don't get that Joe Frank >> feel--that dark milieu--mostly his raspy voice, > > Do you really think Joe has a "raspy voice?" Maybe > you're thinking of Larry Block. :D > > I'd argue that Joe's voice is about as far from raspy > as you can get. > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > Joe Frank Mailing List > joe-frank-list@armory.com > http://www.armory.com/mailman/listinfo.cgi/joe-frank-list > From uhohjf at yahoo.com Thu Apr 6 23:12:11 2006 From: uhohjf at yahoo.com (B T) Date: Thu Apr 6 23:12:19 2006 Subject: [joe-frank-list] Most In-Reply-To: <410-22006435193032726@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <20060407061211.40136.qmail@web31913.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- "sendme@earthlink.net" wrote: > > > > > > (where are you all Frankophiles?) > > > > I just recently re-signed up to joefrank.com and listened/watched that > rare > > film, "Memories" by Joe Frank. > > > > Though I've enjoy(ed) Joe on the radio with his voice and ambient music > in the > > background all these years, these films have really opened the > possibilities of > > putting Joe's stories/thoughts on film. > > > it would be really great if a filmmaker really could catch the "essence" of > jf's style. there's a film by chel white called 'dirt' that's kind of cute > and goes off in one possible sort of direction. really so much could be > done if jf-style storytelling could really be caught on film. style is > really the wrong word, i think. your ideas are great. surely there are > fans in the film world. i wish someone would find it worth a shot. > I do too, but of course, we all know that it won't be as the original... the radio and just the voice. Still, I'm a visual person--created by me or others--I would enjoy them, if done in a Joe-esque way. > i just came across this website on an unforgettable short film i saw > several years ago at the L.A. 'Dances With Films' festival. it's nothing > to do with jf, but it was very moving. it's available on dvd and i just > ordered it.......i am technically challenged and don't own a dvd player (or > a tv), but i still had to own it....maybe jf fans would enjoy it. > > http://mostthemovie.com Just saw the trailer. Interesting. I love shorts. Call it my shorten attn span from not reading much when I was little. Joe's programs are my savior from the immediate gratification generation. B __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From uhohjf at yahoo.com Thu Apr 6 23:15:35 2006 From: uhohjf at yahoo.com (B T) Date: Thu Apr 6 23:15:39 2006 Subject: [joe-frank-list] Re: Memories by Joe Frank (film vs radio) (B T) In-Reply-To: <20060406022157.91473.qmail@web30013.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20060407061535.77979.qmail@web31901.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- Larry Dunn wrote: > > Though I've enjoy(ed) Joe on the radio with his > > voice and ambient music in the > > background all these years, these films have really > > opened the possibilities of > > putting Joe's stories/thoughts on film. > > Oh, I think they close down many of the possibilities. > The story heard is the story interpreted in a million > different ways, differently in each imagination -- > differently each time heard, even twice by the same > person. The story seen and heard becomes something > less open to interpretation. Agreed. But I also enjoy seeing others interpretations-- just don't go crazy with it. > Do you really think Joe has a "raspy voice?" Maybe > you're thinking of Larry Block. :D > > I'd argue that Joe's voice is about as far from raspy > as you can get. Perhaps I'm remembering his days with reverse dolby recording/playing mode that caused his voice to be just so. B __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From uhohjf at yahoo.com Thu Apr 6 23:21:08 2006 From: uhohjf at yahoo.com (B T) Date: Thu Apr 6 23:21:12 2006 Subject: [joe-frank-list] Re: Memories by Joe Frank (film vs radio) (B T) In-Reply-To: <00c401c65922$6a8be130$0542fea9@IBMBOBSX30> Message-ID: <20060407062108.43195.qmail@web31913.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- Bob Lee wrote: > Listening to a few new favorites I recently rediscovered > Words > Zen > Raymon.. > > Bob Lee Not that I'm searching for a replacement, but more of what I enjoyed of Joe, I'm seeking Joe-like stories/styles. Something like: http://www.itsjerrytime.com/ The only similarity is the idiosyncratic stories-- here's my experience, like it or not, with no apologies. Life is life. B __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From rocheb at colorado.edu Fri Apr 7 14:14:46 2006 From: rocheb at colorado.edu (ben) Date: Fri Apr 7 14:14:57 2006 Subject: [joe-frank-list] Memories by Joe Frank (film vs radio) In-Reply-To: <20060405060803.69727.qmail@web31909.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060405060803.69727.qmail@web31909.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1393FA8C-7EA3-42B7-8B15-60FD9DB8CACE@colorado.edu> Hi Here is a short film I made in a school a few years ago using Joe Frank's Eye in the Sky program. I got his permission to use it, and it has won several awards at film festivals. http://homepage.mac.com/rocheb/iMovieTheater2.html On Apr 4, 2006, at 11:08 PM, B T wrote: > (where are you all Frankophiles?) > > I just recently re-signed up to joefrank.com and listened/watched > that rare > film, "Memories" by Joe Frank. > > Though I've enjoy(ed) Joe on the radio with his voice and ambient > music in the > background all these years, these films have really opened the > possibilities of > putting Joe's stories/thoughts on film. > > In one extreme, you have a film such as "After Hours" which has a > scene or two > directly from Joe's work. But while watching it, you don't get > that Joe Frank > feel--that dark milieu--mostly his raspy voice, the droning beats > that's all > part of what we know as the Joe Frank experience. Sure, some may > argue that > his programs do have parts with non-Joe characters interacting with > other > characters without background music, and still you feel that it's a > Joe > program. But there's something lacking in the above film. > > Films that work for Joe's programs have several nuances. First, > they're black > and white. It brings you back to days long gone when color was > only in the > imaginations. Perhaps it is like this very discussion of film vs > radio where > radio was what existed before television. It's not too new as to > lose it's > original appeal. > > Second, there are dream like sequences to them. Not only in > content, but in how > we are shown what is going on. In "Memories," some shots are done > very smoothly > by a talented steady cam operator moving from place to place as if > we were > hovering. It relates to some of Joe's programs where the listener > is really > just hovering above listening in on a conversation or more > compelling, the > inner thoughts of a character or Joe himself. > > Thirdly, the use of blurring. Characters are at times left > unfocused. This > works wonderfully to enhance what is being said by the narrator, > mostly Joe. > You aren't so much observing what they are wearing or how they look > but > listening in on their thoughts. It allows us to watch the film and > yet, still > have the priority be on what you hear. > > Forthly, the pace. It's slow compared to hollywood's 21 min weekly > half hour > shows where they try to cram in as much information to have a > resolution to > their story. The slowness allows you to take in what you're > listening. It's > like when Joe finishes a part of his monologue, and the music > continues so as > to indirectly say, 'there, now ponder over it.' > > Fifthly, and most important, the film MUST have Joe's voice and music > interspersed within it. > > B > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > Joe Frank Mailing List > joe-frank-list@armory.com > http://www.armory.com/mailman/listinfo.cgi/joe-frank-list From gofishorfigure at hotmail.com Fri Apr 7 14:29:07 2006 From: gofishorfigure at hotmail.com (David Smith) Date: Fri Apr 7 14:29:08 2006 Subject: [joe-frank-list] Memories by Joe Frank (film vs radio) References: <20060405060803.69727.qmail@web31909.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <1393FA8C-7EA3-42B7-8B15-60FD9DB8CACE@colorado.edu> Message-ID: well done ben! ----- Original Message ----- From: "ben" To: "Joe Frank Mailing List" Sent: Friday, April 07, 2006 2:14 PM Subject: Re: [joe-frank-list] Memories by Joe Frank (film vs radio) > Hi > > Here is a short film I made in a school a few years ago using Joe > Frank's Eye in the Sky program. I got his permission to use it, and > it has won several awards at film festivals. > > http://homepage.mac.com/rocheb/iMovieTheater2.html > > > On Apr 4, 2006, at 11:08 PM, B T wrote: > >> (where are you all Frankophiles?) >> >> I just recently re-signed up to joefrank.com and listened/watched >> that rare >> film, "Memories" by Joe Frank. >> >> Though I've enjoy(ed) Joe on the radio with his voice and ambient >> music in the >> background all these years, these films have really opened the >> possibilities of >> putting Joe's stories/thoughts on film. >> >> In one extreme, you have a film such as "After Hours" which has a >> scene or two >> directly from Joe's work. But while watching it, you don't get >> that Joe Frank >> feel--that dark milieu--mostly his raspy voice, the droning beats >> that's all >> part of what we know as the Joe Frank experience. Sure, some may >> argue that >> his programs do have parts with non-Joe characters interacting with >> other >> characters without background music, and still you feel that it's a >> Joe >> program. But there's something lacking in the above film. >> >> Films that work for Joe's programs have several nuances. First, >> they're black >> and white. It brings you back to days long gone when color was >> only in the >> imaginations. Perhaps it is like this very discussion of film vs >> radio where >> radio was what existed before television. It's not too new as to >> lose it's >> original appeal. >> >> Second, there are dream like sequences to them. Not only in >> content, but in how >> we are shown what is going on. In "Memories," some shots are done >> very smoothly >> by a talented steady cam operator moving from place to place as if >> we were >> hovering. It relates to some of Joe's programs where the listener >> is really >> just hovering above listening in on a conversation or more >> compelling, the >> inner thoughts of a character or Joe himself. >> >> Thirdly, the use of blurring. Characters are at times left >> unfocused. This >> works wonderfully to enhance what is being said by the narrator, >> mostly Joe. >> You aren't so much observing what they are wearing or how they look >> but >> listening in on their thoughts. It allows us to watch the film and >> yet, still >> have the priority be on what you hear. >> >> Forthly, the pace. It's slow compared to hollywood's 21 min weekly >> half hour >> shows where they try to cram in as much information to have a >> resolution to >> their story. The slowness allows you to take in what you're >> listening. It's >> like when Joe finishes a part of his monologue, and the music >> continues so as >> to indirectly say, 'there, now ponder over it.' >> >> Fifthly, and most important, the film MUST have Joe's voice and music >> interspersed within it. >> >> B >> >> >> __________________________________________________ >> Do You Yahoo!? >> Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around >> http://mail.yahoo.com >> _______________________________________________ >> Joe Frank Mailing List >> joe-frank-list@armory.com >> http://www.armory.com/mailman/listinfo.cgi/joe-frank-list > > _______________________________________________ > Joe Frank Mailing List > joe-frank-list@armory.com > http://www.armory.com/mailman/listinfo.cgi/joe-frank-list > From bewareofdog at mac.com Fri Apr 7 14:40:06 2006 From: bewareofdog at mac.com (bewareofdog@mac.com) Date: Fri Apr 7 14:40:12 2006 Subject: [joe-frank-list] Memories by Joe Frank (film vs radio) In-Reply-To: References: <20060405060803.69727.qmail@web31909.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <1393FA8C-7EA3-42B7-8B15-60FD9DB8CACE@colorado.edu> Message-ID: <721797F4-5742-490C-B882-0E8760F4542E@mac.com> Agreed. Very well done. Kudos. On Apr 7, 2006, at 5:29 PM, David Smith wrote: > well done ben! > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "ben" > To: "Joe Frank Mailing List" > Sent: Friday, April 07, 2006 2:14 PM > Subject: Re: [joe-frank-list] Memories by Joe Frank (film vs radio) > > >> Hi >> Here is a short film I made in a school a few years ago using Joe >> Frank's Eye in the Sky program. I got his permission to use it, >> and it has won several awards at film festivals. >> http://homepage.mac.com/rocheb/iMovieTheater2.html >> On Apr 4, 2006, at 11:08 PM, B T wrote: >>> (where are you all Frankophiles?) >>> >>> I just recently re-signed up to joefrank.com and listened/ >>> watched that rare >>> film, "Memories" by Joe Frank. >>> >>> Though I've enjoy(ed) Joe on the radio with his voice and >>> ambient music in the >>> background all these years, these films have really opened the >>> possibilities of >>> putting Joe's stories/thoughts on film. >>> >>> In one extreme, you have a film such as "After Hours" which has >>> a scene or two >>> directly from Joe's work. But while watching it, you don't get >>> that Joe Frank >>> feel--that dark milieu--mostly his raspy voice, the droning >>> beats that's all >>> part of what we know as the Joe Frank experience. Sure, some >>> may argue that >>> his programs do have parts with non-Joe characters interacting >>> with other >>> characters without background music, and still you feel that it's >>> a Joe >>> program. But there's something lacking in the above film. >>> >>> Films that work for Joe's programs have several nuances. First, >>> they're black >>> and white. It brings you back to days long gone when color was >>> only in the >>> imaginations. Perhaps it is like this very discussion of film >>> vs radio where >>> radio was what existed before television. It's not too new as to >>> lose it's >>> original appeal. >>> >>> Second, there are dream like sequences to them. Not only in >>> content, but in how >>> we are shown what is going on. In "Memories," some shots are >>> done very smoothly >>> by a talented steady cam operator moving from place to place as >>> if we were >>> hovering. It relates to some of Joe's programs where the >>> listener is really >>> just hovering above listening in on a conversation or more >>> compelling, the >>> inner thoughts of a character or Joe himself. >>> >>> Thirdly, the use of blurring. Characters are at times left >>> unfocused. This >>> works wonderfully to enhance what is being said by the narrator, >>> mostly Joe. >>> You aren't so much observing what they are wearing or how they >>> look but >>> listening in on their thoughts. It allows us to watch the film >>> and yet, still >>> have the priority be on what you hear. >>> >>> Forthly, the pace. It's slow compared to hollywood's 21 min >>> weekly half hour >>> shows where they try to cram in as much information to have a >>> resolution to >>> their story. The slowness allows you to take in what you're >>> listening. It's >>> like when Joe finishes a part of his monologue, and the music >>> continues so as >>> to indirectly say, 'there, now ponder over it.' >>> >>> Fifthly, and most important, the film MUST have Joe's voice and >>> music >>> interspersed within it. >>> >>> B >>> >>> >>> __________________________________________________ >>> Do You Yahoo!? >>> Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around >>> http://mail.yahoo.com >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Joe Frank Mailing List >>> joe-frank-list@armory.com >>> http://www.armory.com/mailman/listinfo.cgi/joe-frank-list >> _______________________________________________ >> Joe Frank Mailing List >> joe-frank-list@armory.com >> http://www.armory.com/mailman/listinfo.cgi/joe-frank-list >> > _______________________________________________ > Joe Frank Mailing List > joe-frank-list@armory.com > http://www.armory.com/mailman/listinfo.cgi/joe-frank-list From harold.johnson at gmail.com Tue Apr 11 08:55:16 2006 From: harold.johnson at gmail.com (Harold Johnson) Date: Tue Apr 11 08:55:23 2006 Subject: [joe-frank-list] jf on film In-Reply-To: <410-22006435194139505@earthlink.net> References: <410-22006435194139505@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <2dbaf4d80604110855t155f8a70mfb016cd8cce488ba@mail.gmail.com> Sorry this is off-topic: I dig your sig! Always thought Arlo Guthrie wrote that, though... Harold On 4/5/06, sendme@earthlink.net wrote: > > i signed up about a month ago and this is the first post since > then...there is mention on the jf sight that he relocated...i wonder if he > is still in southern cal, does anyone know? > > > > > > > (where are you all Frankophiles?) > > that was my thought.... > > > > I just recently re-signed up to joefrank.com and listened/watched that > rare > > film, "Memories" by Joe Frank. > > > > Though I've enjoy(ed) Joe on the radio with his voice and ambient music > in the > > background all these years, these films have really opened the > possibilities of > > putting Joe's stories/thoughts on film. > > > it would be really great if a filmmaker really could catch the "essence" > of jf's style. there's a film by chel white called 'dirt' that's kind of > cute and goes off in one possible sort of direction. really so much could be > done if jf-style storytelling could really be caught on film. style is > really the wrong word, i think. your ideas are great. surely there are fans > in the film world. i wish someone would find it worth a shot. > > i just came across this website on an unforgettable short film i saw > several years ago at the L.A. 'Dances With Films' festival. it's nothing > to do with jf, but it was very moving. it's available on dvd and i just > ordered it.......i am technically challenged and don't own a dvd player (or > a tv), but i still had to own it....maybe jf fans would enjoy it. > > http://mostthemovie.com > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________ > Good night America, how are you? > Say don't you know me? I'm your native son! > I'm the train they call the City of New Orleans. > I'll be gone 500 miles when the day is done. > - Steve Goodman > > cindi > sendme > @earthlink.net > > > > _______________________________________________ > Joe Frank Mailing List > joe-frank-list@armory.com > http://www.armory.com/mailman/listinfo.cgi/joe-frank-list > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: http://www.armory.com/pipermail/joe-frank-list/attachments/20060411/001ab261/attachment.htm From joe-frank-list at amalon.com Tue Apr 11 09:14:54 2006 From: joe-frank-list at amalon.com (David Gutierrez) Date: Tue Apr 11 09:15:02 2006 Subject: [joe-frank-list] Re: Memories by Joe Frank (film vs radio) (B T) In-Reply-To: <2dbaf4d80604110858s39934e18le15729908ce3b4c8@mail.gmail.com> References: <20060406022157.91473.qmail@web30013.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <20060407061535.77979.qmail@web31901.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <2dbaf4d80604110858s39934e18le15729908ce3b4c8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <34301.66.114.240.130.1144772094.squirrel@khordos.com> Those in the NY/NJ area might remember that Joe called in to the WFMU (90.1 / 91.1FM) pledge drive If I'm not mistaken, Joe talked about it in one of those pledge drives (the WFMU pledge drives run for 2 weeks and Joe called in both weeks) Unfortunatelly, WFMU doesn't (to my knowledge) archive past Joe Frank shows: http://www.wfmu.org/playlists/JF If anyone has that recorded, I am 80% that's where I heard it. He said it had something to do with an old tape recorder that he used to use; I think he mentioned that has since stopped working and he can no longer reproduce that unique sound. Dave > For years I've been trying to figure out how he does that...Anyone have > that > engineer's phone number? Or did Joe discover that trick? Does Joe have > that "voice" copyrighted? > > Harold > > > On 4/6/06, B T wrote: >> >> >> >> Perhaps I'm remembering his days with reverse dolby recording/playing >> mode >> that >> caused his voice to be just so. > _______________________________________________ > Joe Frank Mailing List > joe-frank-list@armory.com > http://www.armory.com/mailman/listinfo.cgi/joe-frank-list > From joe-frank-list at amalon.com Tue Apr 11 09:15:14 2006 From: joe-frank-list at amalon.com (David Gutierrez) Date: Tue Apr 11 09:15:17 2006 Subject: [joe-frank-list] Re: Memories by Joe Frank (film vs radio) (B T) Message-ID: <34315.66.114.240.130.1144772114.squirrel@khordos.com> Those in the NY/NJ area might remember that Joe called in to the WFMU (90.1 / 91.1FM) pledge drive in February or March 2005. If I'm not mistaken, Joe talked about it in one of those pledge drives (the WFMU pledge drives run for 2 weeks and Joe called in both weeks) Unfortunatelly, WFMU doesn't (to my knowledge) archive past Joe Frank shows: http://www.wfmu.org/playlists/JF If anyone has that recorded, I am 80% that's where I heard it. He said it had something to do with an old tape recorder that he used to use; I think he mentioned that has since stopped working and he can no longer reproduce that unique sound. Dave > For years I've been trying to figure out how he does that...Anyone have > that > engineer's phone number? Or did Joe discover that trick? Does Joe have > that "voice" copyrighted? > > Harold > > > On 4/6/06, B T wrote: >> >> >> >> Perhaps I'm remembering his days with reverse dolby recording/playing >> mode >> that >> caused his voice to be just so. > _______________________________________________ > Joe Frank Mailing List > joe-frank-list@armory.com > http://www.armory.com/mailman/listinfo.cgi/joe-frank-list > From billmilosz at aol.com Tue Apr 11 11:30:42 2006 From: billmilosz at aol.com (billmilosz@aol.com) Date: Tue Apr 11 11:30:50 2006 Subject: [joe-frank-list] Joe Frank voice effect In-Reply-To: <34315.66.114.240.130.1144772114.squirrel@khordos.com> References: <34315.66.114.240.130.1144772114.squirrel@khordos.com> Message-ID: <8C82BAD2C6F3DC7-1F34-2580@FWM-D29.sysops.aol.com> Backwards Dolby B or no, I can't reproduce the way my voice sounded when I was 25 years younger, either ....alas...... -----Original Message----- From: David Gutierrez To: Joe Frank Mailing List Sent: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 11:15:14 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: [joe-frank-list] Re: Memories by Joe Frank (film vs radio) (B T) Those in the NY/NJ area might remember that Joe called in to the WFMU (90.1 / 91.1FM) pledge drive in February or March 2005. If I'm not mistaken, Joe talked about it in one of those pledge drives (the WFMU pledge drives run for 2 weeks and Joe called in both weeks) Unfortunatelly, WFMU doesn't (to my knowledge) archive past Joe Frank shows: http://www.wfmu.org/playlists/JF If anyone has that recorded, I am 80% that's where I heard it. He said it had something to do with an old tape recorder that he used to use; I think he mentioned that has since stopped working and he can no longer reproduce that unique sound. Dave > For years I've been trying to figure out how he does that...Anyone have > that > engineer's phone number? Or did Joe discover that trick? Does Joe have > that "voice" copyrighted? > > Harold > > > On 4/6/06, B T wrote: >> >> >> >> Perhaps I'm remembering his days with reverse dolby recording/playing >> mode >> that >> caused his voice to be just so. > _______________________________________________ > Joe Frank Mailing List > joe-frank-list@armory.com > http://www.armory.com/mailman/listinfo.cgi/joe-frank-list > _______________________________________________ Joe Frank Mailing List joe-frank-list@armory.com http://www.armory.com/mailman/listinfo.cgi/joe-frank-list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.armory.com/pipermail/joe-frank-list/attachments/20060411/adb0461f/attachment.htm From Mark_Fassett at intuit.com Tue Apr 11 11:43:41 2006 From: Mark_Fassett at intuit.com (Fassett, Mark) Date: Tue Apr 11 11:43:45 2006 Subject: [joe-frank-list] Re: Memories by Joe Frank (film vs radio) (B T) Message-ID: <5F30476461433A4ABF22CF78C971DC531D4398FC@mtvex01.mv.intuit.com> Most likely he used one of the older professional dolby A units that was external... easy enough to route audio through in either direction. -----Original Message----- From: joe-frank-list-bounces@armory.com [mailto:joe-frank-list-bounces@armory.com] On Behalf Of Harold Johnson Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2006 8:58 AM To: Joe Frank Mailing List Subject: Re: [joe-frank-list] Re: Memories by Joe Frank (film vs radio) (B T) For years I've been trying to figure out how he does that...Anyone have that engineer's phone number? Or did Joe discover that trick? Does Joe have that "voice" copyrighted? Harold On 4/6/06, B T > wrote: Perhaps I'm remembering his days with reverse dolby recording/playing mode that caused his voice to be just so. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.armory.com/pipermail/joe-frank-list/attachments/20060411/10519ada/attachment.htm From harold.johnson at gmail.com Wed Apr 12 15:50:03 2006 From: harold.johnson at gmail.com (Harold Johnson) Date: Wed Apr 12 15:50:08 2006 Subject: [joe-frank-list] Re: Memories by Joe Frank (film vs radio) (B T) In-Reply-To: <5F30476461433A4ABF22CF78C971DC531D4398FC@mtvex01.mv.intuit.com> References: <5F30476461433A4ABF22CF78C971DC531D4398FC@mtvex01.mv.intuit.com> Message-ID: <2dbaf4d80604121550w9da0021pbd732ef856c8392a@mail.gmail.com> Unless I'm mistaken, this topic has been discussed on this list before, too -- so our archives may reveal some other explanations, as well. I'm enjoyed learning your theories, too, however... Harold On 4/11/06, Fassett, Mark wrote: > > Most likely he used one of the older professional dolby A units that was > external... easy enough to route audio through in either direction. > > -----Original Message----- > *From:* joe-frank-list-bounces@armory.com [mailto: > joe-frank-list-bounces@armory.com] *On Behalf Of *Harold Johnson > *Sent:* Tuesday, April 11, 2006 8:58 AM > *To:* Joe Frank Mailing List > *Subject:* Re: [joe-frank-list] Re: Memories by Joe Frank (film vs radio) > (B T) > > For years I've been trying to figure out how he does that...Anyone have > that engineer's phone number? Or did Joe discover that trick? Does Joe > have that "voice" copyrighted? > > Harold > > > On 4/6/06, B T wrote: > > > > > > > > Perhaps I'm remembering his days with reverse dolby recording/playing > > mode that > > caused his voice to be just so. > > > _______________________________________________ > Joe Frank Mailing List > joe-frank-list@armory.com > http://www.armory.com/mailman/listinfo.cgi/joe-frank-list > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.armory.com/pipermail/joe-frank-list/attachments/20060412/228aada3/attachment.htm From joe-frank-list at amalon.com Thu Apr 13 21:53:18 2006 From: joe-frank-list at amalon.com (David Gutierrez) Date: Thu Apr 13 21:54:11 2006 Subject: [joe-frank-list] Joe's voice/unique sound - answer found Message-ID: <443F2ABE.4090507@amalon.com> Regarding the recent topic on the list about how Joe achieved that unique sound with his voice: searching through the media on joefrank.com I came across the answer in the show description listed under "April :: May 2005 - Monthly Premium" -- snip -- Synopsis: In March 2005, Joe was on air live with WFMU during their annual fund drive. The recording begins in progress just after WFMU aired a 10-minute excerpt from the program "Pilot :: The End." Joe talks about actors he's worked with, music in his shows, and how he accidentally learned to alter his voice. He also gives a little advice for those interested in creating their own shows for radio. We've edited the show to filter out some of the fund drive pitching, but the interview with Joe is complete. -- snip -- Dave From SpringyStepps at aol.com Fri Apr 28 12:04:20 2006 From: SpringyStepps at aol.com (SpringyStepps@aol.com) Date: Fri Apr 28 12:04:39 2006 Subject: [joe-frank-list] (no subject) Message-ID: <379.24909b9.3183c134@aol.com> > Though I've enjoy(ed) Joe on the radio with his > voice and ambient music in the > background all these years, these films have really > opened the possibilities of > putting Joe's stories/thoughts on film. Oh, I think they close down many of the possibilities. The story heard is the story interpreted in a million different ways, differently in each imagination -- differently each time heard, even twice by the same person. The story seen and heard becomes something less open to interpretation. Hi - I've been a reader of this site, but just subscribed. I couldn't agree more with the opinion that film would "close down" the possibilities. To me, Joe rides a wavelength into the mind that is (thankfully) beyond any filmmaker's capacity to capture. Some things are just meant to be experienced utterly personally: For instance, I feel that the journey we are invited to take by listening to music is stopped cold by the four "walls" of a video on a tv screen. I shudder to imagine what a restriction someone else's vision of Joe Frank's work would represent for me. I prefer to sit in the dark and let Joe lead me to places I didn't know existed. --Karen -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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The short films of his that I've seen have wonderful ironic use of Hollywood visual cliches and other purely visual touches that bring his content to us in a different, but very effective, way. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.armory.com/pipermail/joe-frank-list/attachments/20060429/0a0b0e05/attachment.htm From majestic_cheese at yahoo.com Sat Apr 29 12:30:45 2006 From: majestic_cheese at yahoo.com (Larry Dunn) Date: Sat Apr 29 12:30:48 2006 Subject: [joe-frank-list] Re: (no subject) In-Reply-To: <200604291200.ac08732@deepthought.armory.com> Message-ID: <20060429193045.48817.qmail@web30007.mail.mud.yahoo.com> From: SpringyStepps@aol.com > To me, Joe rides a wavelength into the mind that is > (thankfully) beyond any filmmaker's capacity to > capture. I agree, Karen, and I'll add that, even were Joe himself to make the film version of one of his stories, right away it gets compartmentalized into the four walls of the TV screen. We are primarliy visual creatures, trained to take in what we see and assess it as accurately as possible. Hearing a story makes it so much more open to suggestion and interpretation, to fantasy and development by our own imaginations. I'm glad Joe's on radio. Joe is the storyteller, but the stroy is a true interaction between storyteller and listener. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From SpringyStepps at aol.com Sat Apr 29 13:05:59 2006 From: SpringyStepps at aol.com (SpringyStepps@aol.com) Date: Sat Apr 29 13:06:09 2006 Subject: [joe-frank-list] Re: (no subject) Message-ID: <38f.26e0f0f.31852127@aol.com> In a message dated 4/29/2006 2:34:44 PM Central Standard Time, majestic_cheese@yahoo.com writes: From: SpringyStepps@aol.com > To me, Joe rides a wavelength into the mind that is > (thankfully) beyond any filmmaker's capacity to > capture. I agree, Karen, and I'll add that, even were Joe himself to make the film version of one of his stories, right away it gets compartmentalized into the four walls of the TV screen. We are primarliy visual creatures, trained to take in what we see and assess it as accurately as possible. Hearing a story makes it so much more open to suggestion and interpretation, to fantasy and development by our own imaginations. I'm glad Joe's on radio. Joe is the storyteller, but the stroy is a true interaction between storyteller and listener. I'm glad Joe's on radio, too. I feel there is something, of necessity, exterior about the visual experience; the aural experience is much more interior, thus limitless. Sometimes his voice alone IS the story. Just as an experiment, I have occasionally listened to his programs from another room, not really catching the words themselves, yet still taken to another place by the power and honesty of that amazing voice. (If anyone on this site has ever caught his voiceovers on Animal Planet's "Animal Rescues," he can infuse pulling a horse from a creek with Biblical significance.) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.armory.com/pipermail/joe-frank-list/attachments/20060429/f1ae34fd/attachment.htm