[joe-frank-list] Re: Jack Kornfield

Tue May 3 23:23:45 PDT 2005

I found Jack through Joe as well.  I have found Jack to be really inspiring and I really had thoughts that Joe dug him as well.    which ever way it went, I am glad that I heard him on joes shows.  

karen

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From: mike h <mrdubway at hotmail.com>
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Sent: Tue, 03 May 2005 21:54:00 -0700
Subject: Re: [joe-frank-list] Re: Jack Kornfield

Jack Kornfield is inspiring, I never even considered that Joe was being
sarcastic, but only Joe Frank knows. Joe led me to Jack's work and I listen
to both guys.

I heard Jack Kornfield speak a few times at Spirit Rock in Marin County
where I believe you can still catch him occasionally.  That place is
ridiculous in its beauty.  Next time I go I will ask him about Joe Frank. Or
probably not, what's the point?

It was equally inspiring to finally see Joe perform a couple of years ago.

Jack and Joe are the only "spoken word" performers I listen to.   But I am
open to suggestions!

On 5/2/05 3:13 PM, "auntiehistamine" <auntiehistamine at yahoo.com> wrote:

> I've recently rejoined this mailing list after an absence of maybe 5
> years or more. I'd like to say that so far I have enjoyed the banter
> immensely.
> 
> When I first heard the Jack Kornfield material in Joe's shows, my
> initial reaction was that it was hokey. I wondered why Joe was
> including it. The only answer I was able to come up with was that Joe
> must be somehow poking fun at the ideas.
> 
> The more I listened and thought about it however, the more I became
> convinced that this was not the case. When Joe pokes fun at something,
> he makes his point and moves on. Joe kept including Jack's material
> however, so I thought that he must be doing it for other reasons. It
> seems to me that Joe would not continue to use Jack's lectures, unless
> Joe found something in them that he was interested in himself.
> 
> As I began to pay more attention to what Jack was saying, I found that
> I began to enjoy his illustrative stories more and more. If Jack was
> simply putting forth his ideas, they would not have nearly the punch
> that they do when he couches them in the story format. His stories make
> his ideas easy to identify with and remember.
> 
> The storytelling quality is the primary reason I feel Jack's lectures
> "work" in Joe's shows. Both of them tell stories that make us think.
> When the materials are juxtaposed the way that Joe presents them, I
> think they compliment and add to one another.
> 
> And yes, I have referred to Joe and Jack by their first names. I can't
> presume to imagine that I know them personally, but when a person tells
> good stories, especially about himself, you DO feel that you know them
> on some level. That's what being a fan is about.
> 
> Pat Nighswander
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