[joe-frank-list] J. Kornfield

[Steve Schneider]

This post didnt really concern Kate at all; it concerned J. Kornfield.
(Also: this list is for discussing J.F.'s current work only?)  Anyway:
love to know anyone's thoughts about those lectures  -- Steve.


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Do we really need to return to the conversation about "Kate"?  I
understand Steve here is just now exploring this subject, and that's his
prerogative, but personally I'd rather participate in a discussion about
Joe's *current* work.

Don't mind me; go ahead and talk about Kate to your heart's content...I
know it's a fascinating subject...

Harold J.

On 5/1/05, Steve Schneider <steve at theavocadopapers.com> wrote:
> Well -- I guess I should qualify what I said about my uneasiness
> referring to Joe Frank as "Joe": I realize that it's a convention on 
> lists like these to refer to the subject of the list by his or her 
> first name, and that that doesn't necessarily imply a familiarity that

> isn't there.  So I don't mean to suggest that anyone on this list is 
> doing that.  Maybe it's particularly tricky with a "subject" such as 
> J.F., since one might be inclined after listening to dozens and dozens

> of his shows -- and particularly Karma-like shows -- to think that one

> "knows" him, since the shows are, at least seemingly, so personal in 
> nature.
> 
> Anyway: Kate: anyone?  No takers?  K, whether there are or not, here's
> another question to ponder, and it doesn't require speculation about 
> someone's personal life: what do you think is J.F.'s feeling about 
> Jack Kornfield?  As far as I know -- and I could be wrong -- J.K.'s 
> first appearance on a J.F. show is in the first Karma program.  I 
> SWEAR that J.F. put a laugh track over that first appearance (yes, 
> there is often audience laughter in K's segments, but this was more 
> overt, and the laughter was at particularly inappropriate moments), 
> and I proceeded, through a few more Karma shows, to think that J.F. 
> had included the J.K. "reflections" as an example of a futile 
> worldview.  But that doesn't seem to be the case at all.
> 
> The only time I've even ever heard J.F. refer to the J.K. segments was
> in an interview: he says something about his shows being "religious" 
> in the sense that it contrasts the sacred and the profane (note: 
> that's a paraphrase).  With the sacred represented by Kornfield's 
> lectures and the profane represented by "normal" people such as J.F., 
> Debi Mae West, and L. Block just dealing with life's struggles as best

> they can.  I have to say, personally, that I find the Kornfield 
> lectures to be my least favorite parts of the shows in which they 
> appear; I hesitate, though, to fast-forward through them because the 
> artist who created these shows put them there and I feel that I should

> therefore listen to them.  But I find the other stuff -- the phone 
> calls with L.B., D.M.W., J.F.'s mother, D. Rafkin, and others; the 
> first-person narrations of the latest Kate drama; the reminiscences of

> things like the NYC blackout; etc. -- to be much more entertaining, 
> interesting, enlightening, relevant, etc.
> 
> Would love to know others' thoughts on this topic.  And the Kate
> topic. Call me a gossip-monger; I don't think I am being one (although

> I will admit to a certain amount of gut-level curiosity).
> 
> -- Steve.
> 
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> 
> Hi Steve,
> 
> I haven't posted to this group a whole lot either, though I've been
> watching it off and on for a few years.  I'm glad to see you've 
> posted, especially since you seem to have taken the time to post a 
> well-thought, intelligent and considerate post.
> 
> So here's my thoughts: I don't believe there are any particular rules
> here; I would expect the common sense protocols common on many online 
> forums.  In other words, respect your neighbor, etc.  Though I'd 
> imagine many of us hold Joe Frank - or at the very least, his art - at

> high esteem, but I'm not about to say I worship him (yet; though if he

> starts a religion, I don't know, LOL).
> 
> I find it funny that you say you're not quite comfortable referring to
> him as "Joe" yet; I've often had the same feeling.  When I refer to 
> him here or on one of my blogs - let's say I'm writing some commentary

> about storytelling artists or something - I'm inclined to refer to the

> man by his full name, too.  I believe it's because I don't wish to be 
> perceived as one of those nutjobs who talks about a 
> celebrity/artist/whomever as if they *really* know her.  (I'm not 
> referring to any of you posting to this list - except for you, of 
> course, Larry Block.  That's a joke,
> LOL.)
> 
> Example: Following is a link to some commentary I recently posted in
> which I mentioned Joe Frank; you'll, however, that I *crossed the
> line* and referred to him by his forename:
> 
> http://www.somethingthathappened.com/2005/04/hi-reed-i-want-to-express
> -t
> o-you-how.html
> 
> That's all I have to say for now.  I'm off to watch an episode of
> Deadwood I picked up at Goodwill; I hear this show's pretty decent.
> 
> Harold J. Johnson
> 
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