From achavez382 at worldsavings.com Fri Mar 4 21:39:18 2005 From: achavez382 at worldsavings.com (Chavez, Aaron, ISD) Date: Fri Mar 4 21:39:30 2005 Subject: [joe-frank-list] Site appears down... Message-ID: <7BED8A15EDFE274D81BF3C76F3B23B972BB625@SA1EMS12.worldsavings.com> Anybody else see, or not see, this? Aaron Chavez Database Administrator Information Systems Data Management World Savings Bank 510-446-3087 v 210-833-5336 m/p how should contented fools of fact envision the mystery of freedom ... while at us, very deafly, a most stares colossal hoax of clocks and calendars e e cummings ***************************************************************************** If you are not the intended recipient of this e-mail, please notify the sender immediately. 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Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.6.0 - Release Date: 3/2/2005 From BILLMILOSZ at aol.com Fri Mar 4 23:13:53 2005 From: BILLMILOSZ at aol.com (BILLMILOSZ@aol.com) Date: Fri Mar 4 23:13:58 2005 Subject: [joe-frank-list] Site appears down... Message-ID: <197.39ec735b.2f5ab631@aol.com> Seems OK here at 01:13 CST sat March-5-05 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.armory.com/pipermail/joe-frank-list/attachments/20050305/5ffe3cea/attachment.htm From shiro at uclink4.berkeley.edu Sat Mar 5 23:13:53 2005 From: shiro at uclink4.berkeley.edu (Erik Shirokoff) Date: Sat Mar 5 23:12:08 2005 Subject: [joe-frank-list] joefrank.com streams work in linux once again Message-ID: <20050306071352.GA29760@jabberwock.hopto.org> In case anyone else cares - The streaming content at joefrank.com is once again accessible for those of us without windows or mac computers, after not working for a while. I was all set to spend a weekend with a windows box trying to figure out how to trick the site into working with alternative browsers, only to find that I didn't have to do a thing. When you click through to a stream, the page now displays a link directly to the content, labeled "Player." (A few months ago, every available browser would hang at the "stream not ready" message and go no further.) It works great. Woo hoo! You don't even have to hunt through the page source to retrieve filenames. It's strictly point-and-click. I'm not sure if it was intentional, but I'm immensely grateful for the change. I think it's time to switch over to an annual account. Versions known to work: Mozilla Firefox 1.0 Totem V. 0.99.12 (with xine-lib version 1.0.0) MPlayer 1.0pre5-3.3.4, with all codecs from the mplayer site installed. Now if we can just get them to replace "Windows 98 2nd edition or later required" with "Windows 98 2nd edition or later, or any version of Linux or any BSD or any vesion of Windows (using Cygwin) or MacOS X or Solaris or IRIX or OS/2 required" }8^) - Erik From harold.johnson at gmail.com Sat Mar 5 23:25:52 2005 From: harold.johnson at gmail.com (Harold Johnson) Date: Sat Mar 5 23:25:59 2005 Subject: [joe-frank-list] joefrank.com streams work in linux once again In-Reply-To: <20050306071352.GA29760@jabberwock.hopto.org> References: <20050306071352.GA29760@jabberwock.hopto.org> Message-ID: <2dbaf4d805030523255d634e4@mail.gmail.com> I care. Thanks for the info, Erik. I'm using Linux as my primary system these days--it's the system that's rarely shut down--and it's great news to know I may not have to fire up my Mac every time I want to listen to Joe. Now I just have to install Totem and MPlayer... Harold J. Johnson http://SomethingthatHappened.com On Sat, 5 Mar 2005 23:13:53 -0800, Erik Shirokoff wrote: > In case anyone else cares - > > The streaming content at joefrank.com is once again accessible for those of us without windows or mac computers, after not working for a while. > > I was all set to spend a weekend with a windows box trying to figure out how to trick the site into working with alternative browsers, only to find that I didn't have to do a thing. When you click through to a stream, the page now displays a link directly to the content, labeled "Player." (A few months ago, every available browser would hang at the "stream not ready" message and go no further.) > > It works great. Woo hoo! You don't even have to hunt through the page source to retrieve filenames. It's strictly point-and-click. > > I'm not sure if it was intentional, but I'm immensely grateful for the change. I think it's time to switch over to an annual account. > > Versions known to work: > Mozilla Firefox 1.0 > Totem V. 0.99.12 (with xine-lib version 1.0.0) > MPlayer 1.0pre5-3.3.4, with all codecs from the mplayer site installed. > > Now if we can just get them to replace "Windows 98 2nd edition or later required" with "Windows 98 2nd edition or later, or any version of Linux or any BSD or any vesion of Windows (using Cygwin) or MacOS X or Solaris or IRIX or OS/2 required" }8^) > > - Erik > > _______________________________________________ > Joe Frank Mailing List > joe-frank-list@armory.com > http://www.armory.com/mailman/listinfo.cgi/joe-frank-list > From achavez382 at worldsavings.com Mon Mar 7 09:04:33 2005 From: achavez382 at worldsavings.com (Chavez, Aaron, ISD) Date: Mon Mar 7 09:04:41 2005 Subject: [joe-frank-list] Site appears down... Message-ID: <7BED8A15EDFE274D81BF3C76F3B23B972BB879@SA1EMS12.worldsavings.com> Bad proxy juju. I'm at worik Aaron Chavez Database Administrator Information Systems Data Management World Savings Bank 510-446-3087 v 210-833-5336 m/p how should contented fools of fact envision the mystery of freedom ... while at us, very deafly, a most stares colossal hoax of clocks and calendars e e cummings -----Original Message----- From: joe-frank-list-bounces@armory.com [mailto:joe-frank-list-bounces@armory.com] On Behalf Of BILLMILOSZ@aol.com Sent: Friday, March 04, 2005 11:14 PM To: joe-frank-list@armory.com Subject: Re: [joe-frank-list] Site appears down... Seems OK here at 01:13 CST sat March-5-05 ***************************************************************************** If you are not the intended recipient of this e-mail, please notify the sender immediately. The contents of this e-mail do not amend any existing disclosures or agreements unless expressly stated. ***************************************************************************** -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.armory.com/pipermail/joe-frank-list/attachments/20050307/9ca33463/attachment.htm From harold.johnson at gmail.com Mon Mar 7 10:06:01 2005 From: harold.johnson at gmail.com (Harold Johnson) Date: Mon Mar 7 10:06:08 2005 Subject: [joe-frank-list] joefrank.com streams work in linux once again In-Reply-To: <2dbaf4d805030523255d634e4@mail.gmail.com> References: <20050306071352.GA29760@jabberwock.hopto.org> <2dbaf4d805030523255d634e4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <2dbaf4d80503071006196fb651@mail.gmail.com> For any other Linux users on the list, it turns out that it's quite simple to tune in to my Joe Frank membership streams. I didn't even need to install Totem nor MPlayer or anything else on my system; I opened the stream using Xine, which was already preinstalled. If it's not preinstalled on your Linux system, you can freely download Xine at it's website: http://www.xinehq.de/ Enjoy listening to Joe, Linuxheads, Harold J. Johnson http://SomethingthatHappened.com On Sat, 5 Mar 2005 23:25:52 -0800, Harold Johnson wrote: > I care. Thanks for the info, Erik. I'm using Linux as my primary > system these days--it's the system that's rarely shut down--and it's > great news to know I may not have to fire up my Mac every time I want > to listen to Joe. Now I just have to install Totem and MPlayer... > > Harold J. Johnson > http://SomethingthatHappened.com > > On Sat, 5 Mar 2005 23:13:53 -0800, Erik Shirokoff > wrote: > > In case anyone else cares - > > > > The streaming content at joefrank.com is once again accessible for those of us without windows or mac computers, after not working for a while. > > > > I was all set to spend a weekend with a windows box trying to figure out how to trick the site into working with alternative browsers, only to find that I didn't have to do a thing. When you click through to a stream, the page now displays a link directly to the content, labeled "Player." (A few months ago, every available browser would hang at the "stream not ready" message and go no further.) > > > > It works great. Woo hoo! You don't even have to hunt through the page source to retrieve filenames. It's strictly point-and-click. > > > > I'm not sure if it was intentional, but I'm immensely grateful for the change. I think it's time to switch over to an annual account. > > > > Versions known to work: > > Mozilla Firefox 1.0 > > Totem V. 0.99.12 (with xine-lib version 1.0.0) > > MPlayer 1.0pre5-3.3.4, with all codecs from the mplayer site installed. > > > > Now if we can just get them to replace "Windows 98 2nd edition or later required" with "Windows 98 2nd edition or later, or any version of Linux or any BSD or any vesion of Windows (using Cygwin) or MacOS X or Solaris or IRIX or OS/2 required" }8^) > > > > - Erik > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Joe Frank Mailing List > > joe-frank-list@armory.com > > http://www.armory.com/mailman/listinfo.cgi/joe-frank-list > > > From lonnierichardson at hotmail.com Fri Mar 11 06:16:01 2005 From: lonnierichardson at hotmail.com (Lonnie Richardson) Date: Fri Mar 11 06:17:34 2005 Subject: [joe-frank-list] Karma Message-ID: What is the original order of the Karma's. I have 1-7 down! I just can't seem to find air dates. Thanks ...lr To be yellow from this list please reply with the word SLAW in the subject line. From shiro at uclink4.berkeley.edu Fri Mar 11 12:39:41 2005 From: shiro at uclink4.berkeley.edu (Erik Shirokoff) Date: Fri Mar 11 12:37:45 2005 Subject: [joe-frank-list] Karma (SLAW) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20050311203941.GA13034@jabberwock.hopto.org> The WFMU FAQ has a list which may be in original broadcast order. Main page is at http://wfmu.org/JF/ and the relevent part is at http://wfmu.org/JF/joe_show.html#2001_1 There's also the defunct KCRW page, which seems to have been maintained in reverse chronological order except where programs are removed. A snapshot with most of Karma is at: http://web.archive.org/web/20001206141400/http://www.kcrw.org/cgi-bin/db/kcrw.pl?tmplt_type=program&show_code=jf According to both sources the order is: karma part 1-7 bad karma Karma 4 dollars karma don't deny me Karma Redux Small World Karma Waiting for Karma Karma Memories Karma Crash - Erik On Fri, Mar 11, 2005 at 02:16:01PM +0000, Lonnie Richardson wrote: > X-Original-To: shiro@localhost > Delivered-To: shiro@localhost.localdomain > X-Originating-IP: [64.4.61.200] > X-Originating-Email: [lonnierichardson@hotmail.com] > X-Sender: lonnierichardson@hotmail.com > From: Lonnie Richardson > To: joe-frank-list@armory.com > Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 14:16:01 +0000 > X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Mar 2005 14:16:02.0710 (UTC) > FILETIME=[DB32D360:01C52644] > Subject: [joe-frank-list] Karma > X-BeenThere: joe-frank-list@armory.com > X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 > Precedence: list > Reply-To: Joe Frank Mailing List > List-Id: Joe Frank Mailing List > List-Unsubscribe: , > > List-Archive: > List-Post: > List-Help: > List-Subscribe: , > > Errors-To: joe-frank-list-bounces@armory.com > > What is the original order of the Karma's. I have 1-7 down! I just can't > seem to find air dates. > Thanks > ...lr > > > > To be yellow from this list please reply with the word SLAW in the subject > line. > > > _______________________________________________ > Joe Frank Mailing List > joe-frank-list@armory.com > http://www.armory.com/mailman/listinfo.cgi/joe-frank-list -- Erik Shirokoff shiro@berkeley.edu From BILLMILOSZ at aol.com Sat Mar 26 22:30:22 2005 From: BILLMILOSZ at aol.com (BILLMILOSZ@aol.com) Date: Sat Mar 26 22:30:36 2005 Subject: [joe-frank-list] Joe- started an industry? Message-ID: <1f9.668ef17.2f77acfe@aol.com> I just heard a radio program called "Theory of Everything" - a docutainment magazine format, interviews and discussion of a certain topic. But the production style had the looped music, not quite as dark as Joe's, but definitely that same production technique pioneered by Joe of the looped music with a certain "feel" forming an audio counterpoint to the spoken part. This is something Ira Glass picked up when he interned with Joe Frank and then built into the very popular PRI /Public Radio offering "This American Life" and now this same technique is being used in "Theory of Everything"- a loop that sets the mood and which swells up for emphasis when there is a pause in the story. And while this audio production archetype is now so pervasive that it might seem like it occurred "naturally" or is an "obvious method"- the truth is this is something Joe developed, ha ha, hope he can collect roylaties from these Johnny-come-latelies. Or maybe the Third Coast people were acknowledging this when they gave Joe that Lifetime Achievement award. (I hope that there was a check that came along with that award, but I bet there wasn't. Most people in Public Radio are starving. The average production drudge in an NPR affiliate making documentaries gets paid minimum wage -or less, if the station can get away with paying by the piece rather than hiring staff by the hour.) Actually, I WOULD like to hear Ira Glass acknowledge his debt to Joe. Glass tried a lot of different formulas on the radio - including a self indulgent program called The Wild Room which seemingly had no actual content- before he scored with This American Life, a program which is COMPLETELY beholden to Joe for it's "look and feel". Ira has even been known to use some of the exact same music to loop as Joe.... Don't get me wrong, I like This American Life, I've heard some interesting stuff. I also liked what I heard so far of Benjamin Walker's "Theory of Everything" (except the announcer's stop-and-start vocal pacing which also has kind of breathy whine in it- very annoying) but these guys owe A LOT to Joe and they should acknowledge it. Yeah, right- as if some artists is EVER going to acknowledge that their work isn't only about them and their own incredible genius..... -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.armory.com/pipermail/joe-frank-list/attachments/20050327/4d55876a/attachment.htm From harold.johnson at gmail.com Sat Mar 26 23:05:21 2005 From: harold.johnson at gmail.com (Harold Johnson) Date: Sat Mar 26 23:05:25 2005 Subject: [joe-frank-list] Joe- started an industry? In-Reply-To: <1f9.668ef17.2f77acfe@aol.com> References: <1f9.668ef17.2f77acfe@aol.com> Message-ID: <2dbaf4d805032623052f2c1d9c@mail.gmail.com> I am completely in accordance with what you're saying, and many artists have, in fact, acknowledged Joe Frank's influence, I wish they'd do it more often. There's an audio recording you can listen to at JoeFrank.com which includes both David Sedaris and Ira Glass detailing their admiration for Joe's work; it's currently at the following location, on the left of the page: http://www.joefrank.com/air.html Scroll down the page to find the link. You can also find the same audio on the following page, but you'll have to scroll down farther: http://www.joefrank.com/shows.html Harold J. Johnson http://audioblogs.info On Sun, 27 Mar 2005 01:30:22 EST, BILLMILOSZ@aol.com wrote: > I just heard a radio program called "Theory of Everything" - a docutainment > magazine format, interviews and discussion of a certain topic. But the > production style had the looped music, not quite as dark as Joe's, but > definitely that same production technique pioneered by Joe of the looped > music with a certain "feel" forming an audio counterpoint to the spoken > part. This is something Ira Glass picked up when he interned with Joe Frank > and then built into the very popular PRI /Public Radio offering "This > American Life" and now this same technique is being used in "Theory of > Everything"- a loop that sets the mood and which swells up for emphasis when > there is a pause in the story. > > And while this audio production archetype is now so pervasive that it might > seem like it occurred "naturally" or is an "obvious method"- the truth is > this is something Joe developed, ha ha, hope he can collect roylaties from > these Johnny-come-latelies. Or maybe the Third Coast people were > acknowledging this when they gave Joe that Lifetime Achievement award. (I > hope that there was a check that came along with that award, but I bet there > wasn't. Most people in Public Radio are starving. The average production > drudge in an NPR affiliate making documentaries gets paid minimum wage -or > less, if the station can get away with paying by the piece rather than > hiring staff by the hour.) > > Actually, I WOULD like to hear Ira Glass acknowledge his debt to Joe. Glass > tried a lot of different formulas on the radio - including a self indulgent > program called The Wild Room which seemingly had no actual content- before > he scored with This American Life, a program which is COMPLETELY beholden to > Joe for it's "look and feel". Ira has even been known to use some of the > exact same music to loop as Joe.... > > Don't get me wrong, I like This American Life, I've heard some interesting > stuff. I also liked what I heard so far of Benjamin Walker's "Theory of > Everything" (except the announcer's stop-and-start vocal pacing which also > has kind of breathy whine in it- very annoying) but these guys owe A LOT to > Joe and they should acknowledge it. > > Yeah, right- as if some artists is EVER going to acknowledge that their > work isn't only about them and their own incredible genius..... > _______________________________________________ > Joe Frank Mailing List > joe-frank-list@armory.com > http://www.armory.com/mailman/listinfo.cgi/joe-frank-list > > > From BILLMILOSZ at aol.com Sat Mar 26 23:27:15 2005 From: BILLMILOSZ at aol.com (BILLMILOSZ@aol.com) Date: Sat Mar 26 23:27:27 2005 Subject: Fwd: [joe-frank-list] Joe- started an industry? Message-ID: <6.41cd5fab.2f77ba53@aol.com> Skipped content of type multipart/alternative-------------- next part -------------- An embedded message was scrubbed... From: Harold Johnson Subject: Re: [joe-frank-list] Joe- started an industry? Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2005 23:05:21 -0800 Size: 6086 Url: http://www.armory.com/pipermail/joe-frank-list/attachments/20050327/e74bdcb4/attachment.eml From tewoodruff at yahoo.com Tue Mar 29 15:36:13 2005 From: tewoodruff at yahoo.com (tewoodruff) Date: Tue Mar 29 15:37:47 2005 Subject: Fwd: [joe-frank-list] Joe- started an industry? In-Reply-To: 6667 Message-ID: <20050329233613.32980.qmail@web31103.mail.mud.yahoo.com> the theory of everything guy mentioned his respect for joe in a pitchforkmedia article a little while back. http://www.pitchforkmedia.com/columns/get-that-out-of-your-mouth/05-02-25.shtml ... "My hero in radio is the greatest radio artist that ever existed, Joe Frank. I'm barely emerging out of my Joe Frank clone stage," claims Walker. (It is easy to hear the influence, especially in the way they both give the ends of their sentences one last strangle before letting them go.) "[Frank] worked with fiction and exploratory topics...What he did was create a space where you could change the format. In other words, you weren't just doing the same thing every week. 'Here's the A section, the B section'-- he just mixed it up. The formatless format. To me, that's wonderful. I mean, why would you want any other format than that?" ... --- BILLMILOSZ@aol.com wrote: > Well, I stand corrected - Ira Glass is indeed > acknowledging the influence. > I am getting increasingly cynical in my old age, and > often assume the worst > about people.... it's good to hear that Ira Glass is > of better character than > that. > > Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2005 23:05:21 -0800 > From: Harold Johnson > To: Joe Frank Mailing List > > Subject: Re: [joe-frank-list] Joe- started an > industry? > > I am completely in accordance with what you're > saying, and many > artists have, in fact, acknowledged Joe Frank's > influence, I wish > they'd do it more often. There's an audio recording > you can listen to > at JoeFrank.com which includes both David Sedaris > and Ira Glass > detailing their admiration for Joe's work; it's > currently at the > following location, on the left of the page: > > http://www.joefrank.com/air.html > > Scroll down the page to find the link. You can also > find the same > audio on the following page, but you'll have to > scroll down farther: > > http://www.joefrank.com/shows.html > > Harold J. Johnson > http://audioblogs.info > > On Sun, 27 Mar 2005 01:30:22 EST, BILLMILOSZ@aol.com > wrote: > > I just heard a radio program called "Theory of > Everything" - a docutainment > > magazine format, interviews and discussion of a > certain topic. But the > > production style had the looped music, not quite > as dark as Joe's, but > > definitely that same production technique > pioneered by Joe of the looped > > music with a certain "feel" forming an audio > counterpoint to the spoken > > part. This is something Ira Glass picked up when > he interned with Joe Frank > > and then built into the very popular PRI /Public > Radio offering "This > > American Life" and now this same technique is > being used in "Theory of > > Everything"- a loop that sets the mood and which > swells up for emphasis when > > there is a pause in the story. > > > > And while this audio production archetype is now > so pervasive that it might > > seem like it occurred "naturally" or is an > "obvious method"- the truth is > > this is something Joe developed, ha ha, hope he > can collect roylaties from > > these Johnny-come-latelies. Or maybe the Third > Coast people were > > acknowledging this when they gave Joe that > Lifetime Achievement award. (I > > hope that there was a check that came along with > that award, but I bet there > > wasn't. Most people in Public Radio are starving. > The average production > > drudge in an NPR affiliate making documentaries > gets paid minimum wage -or > > less, if the station can get away with paying by > the piece rather than > > hiring staff by the hour.) > > > > Actually, I WOULD like to hear Ira Glass > acknowledge his debt to Joe. Glass > > tried a lot of different formulas on the radio - > including a self indulgent > > program called The Wild Room which seemingly had > no actual content- before > > he scored with This American Life, a program which > is COMPLETELY beholden to > > Joe for it's "look and feel". Ira has even been > known to use some of the > > exact same music to loop as Joe.... > > > > Don't get me wrong, I like This American Life, > I've heard some interesting > > stuff. I also liked what I heard so far of > Benjamin Walker's "Theory of > > Everything" (except the announcer's stop-and-start > vocal pacing which also > > has kind of breathy whine in it- very annoying) > but these guys owe A LOT to > > Joe and they should acknowledge it. > > > > Yeah, right- as if some artists is EVER going to > acknowledge that their > > work isn't only about them and their own > incredible genius..... > > _______________________________________________ > > Joe Frank Mailing List > > joe-frank-list@armory.com > > > http://www.armory.com/mailman/listinfo.cgi/joe-frank-list > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Joe Frank Mailing List > joe-frank-list@armory.com > http://www.armory.com/mailman/listinfo.cgi/joe-frank-list > > _______________________________________________ > Joe Frank Mailing List > joe-frank-list@armory.com > http://www.armory.com/mailman/listinfo.cgi/joe-frank-list > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From BILLMILOSZ at aol.com Tue Mar 29 15:52:01 2005 From: BILLMILOSZ at aol.com (BILLMILOSZ@aol.com) Date: Tue Mar 29 15:52:16 2005 Subject: [joe-frank-list] Joe- started an industry? Message-ID: I'm proved wrong again- how nice that both the examples I mentioned in my screed both have the good graces to acknowledge their debt to Joe. Nice to be wrong when it means that people are better than I thought.... maybe I need to have my medication adjusted ;-) In a message dated 3/29/2005 5:39:51 PM Central Standard Time, tewoodruff@yahoo.com writes: > the theory of everything guy mentioned his respect for > joe in a pitchforkmedia article a little while back. > http://www.pitchforkmedia.com/columns/get-that-out-of-your-mouth/05-02-25.sht > ml > > ... > "My hero in radio is the greatest radio artist that > ever existed, Joe Frank. I'm barely emerging out of my > Joe Frank clone stage," claims Walker. (It is easy to > hear the influence, especially in the way they both > give the ends of their sentences one last strangle > before letting them go.) "[Frank] worked with fiction > and exploratory topics...What he did was create a > space where you could change the format. In other > words, you weren't just doing the same thing every > week. 'Here's the A section, the B section'-- he just > mixed it up. The formatless format. To me, that's > wonderful. I mean, why would you want any other format > than that?" > ... > > --- BILLMILOSZ@aol.com wrote: > >Well, I stand corrected - Ira Glass is indeed > >acknowledging the influence. > >I am getting increasingly cynical in my old age, and > >often assume the worst > >about people.... it's good to hear that Ira Glass is > >of better character than > >that. > >>Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2005 23:05:21 -0800 > >From: Harold Johnson > >To: Joe Frank Mailing List > > > >Subject: Re: [joe-frank-list] Joe- started an > >industry? > > > >I am completely in accordance with what you're > >saying, and many > >artists have, in fact, acknowledged Joe Frank's > >influence, I wish > >they'd do it more often. There's an audio recording > >you can listen to > >at JoeFrank.com which includes both David Sedaris > >and Ira Glass > >detailing their admiration for Joe's work; it's > >currently at the > >following location, on the left of the page: > > > >http://www.joefrank.com/air.html > > > >Scroll down the page to find the link. You can also > >find the same > >audio on the following page, but you'll have to > >scroll down farther: > > > >http://www.joefrank.com/shows.html > > > >Harold J. Johnson > >http://audioblogs.info > > > >On Sun, 27 Mar 2005 01:30:22 EST, BILLMILOSZ@aol.com > > wrote: > >>I just heard a radio program called "Theory of > >Everything" - a docutainment > >>magazine format, interviews and discussion of a > >certain topic. But the > >>production style had the looped music, not quite > >as dark as Joe's, but > >>definitely that same production technique > >pioneered by Joe of the looped > >>music with a certain "feel" forming an audio > >counterpoint to the spoken > >>part. This is something Ira Glass picked up when > >he interned with Joe Frank > >>and then built into the very popular PRI /Public > >Radio offering "This > >>American Life" and now this same technique is > >being used in "Theory of > >>Everything"- a loop that sets the mood and which > >swells up for emphasis when > >>there is a pause in the story. > >> > >> And while this audio production archetype is now > >so pervasive that it might > >>seem like it occurred "naturally" or is an > >"obvious method"- the truth is > >>this is something Joe developed, ha ha, hope he > >can collect roylaties from > >>these Johnny-come-latelies. Or maybe the Third > >Coast people were > >>acknowledging this when they gave Joe that > >Lifetime Achievement award. (I > >>hope that there was a check that came along with > >that award, but I bet there > >>wasn't. Most people in Public Radio are starving. > >The average production > >>drudge in an NPR affiliate making documentaries > >gets paid minimum wage -or > >>less, if the station can get away with paying by > >the piece rather than > >>hiring staff by the hour.) > >> > >> Actually, I WOULD like to hear Ira Glass > >acknowledge his debt to Joe. Glass > >>tried a lot of different formulas on the radio - > >including a self indulgent > >>program called The Wild Room which seemingly had > >no actual content- before > >>he scored with This American Life, a program which > >is COMPLETELY beholden to > >>Joe for it's "look and feel". Ira has even been > >known to use some of the > >>exact same music to loop as Joe.... > >> > >> Don't get me wrong, I like This American Life, > >I've heard some interesting > >>stuff. I also liked what I heard so far of > >Benjamin Walker's "Theory of > >>Everything" (except the announcer's stop-and-start > >vocal pacing which also > >>has kind of breathy whine in it- very annoying) > >but these guys owe A LOT to > >>Joe and they should acknowledge it. > >> > >> Yeah, right- as if some artists is EVER going to > >acknowledge that their > >>work isn't only about them and their own > >incredible genius..... > >>_______________________________________________ > >>Joe Frank Mailing List > >>joe-frank-list@armory.com > >> > > > http://www.armory.com/mailman/listinfo.cgi/joe-frank-list > >> > >> > >> > >_______________________________________________ > >Joe Frank Mailing List > >joe-frank-list@armory.com > > > http://www.armory.com/mailman/listinfo.cgi/joe-frank-list > >>_______________________________________________ > >Joe Frank Mailing List > >joe-frank-list@armory.com > > > http://www.armory.com/mailman/listinfo.cgi/joe-frank-list > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > Joe Frank Mailing List > joe-frank-list@armory.com > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.armory.com/pipermail/joe-frank-list/attachments/20050329/7a1a9b7a/attachment.htm From babylulu at cybercom.net Tue Mar 29 16:10:01 2005 From: babylulu at cybercom.net (babylulu) Date: Tue Mar 29 16:10:08 2005 Subject: [joe-frank-list] Re: Joe- started an industry? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20050330001001.2475.qmail@mail.cybercom.net> Finally I have to chime in, Bill, you wrote,.. "Nice to be wrong when it means that people are better than I thought.... maybe I need to have my medication adjusted ;-)" Bill, no need to adjust your meds. In the case of Walker there is no need to retract; if he tips his hat to Joe Frank it's only because he has to, the comparison is inescapable. Ben uses the same manner of speaking, the same phrasing and so on. He's been called on it many times. Walker is a horrible poser, a user, a parasite and general all around ass. I did a show at WZBC where he does his show. I knew him- Yuck. Joe is the genuine article. The end. BILLMILOSZ@aol.com writes: > I'm proved wrong again- how nice that both the examples I mentioned in my > screed both have the good graces to acknowledge their debt to Joe. > > Nice to be wrong when it means that people are better than I thought.... > maybe I need to have my medication adjusted ;-) > > In a message dated 3/29/2005 5:39:51 PM Central Standard Time, > tewoodruff@yahoo.com writes: > >> the theory of everything guy mentioned his respect for >> joe in a pitchforkmedia article a little while back. >> http://www.pitchforkmedia.com/columns/get-that-out-of-your-mouth/05-02-25.sht >> ml >> >> ... >> "My hero in radio is the greatest radio artist that >> ever existed, Joe Frank. I'm barely emerging out of my >> Joe Frank clone stage," claims Walker. (It is easy to >> hear the influence, especially in the way they both >> give the ends of their sentences one last strangle >> before letting them go.) "[Frank] worked with fiction >> and exploratory topics...What he did was create a >> space where you could change the format. In other >> words, you weren't just doing the same thing every >> week. 'Here's the A section, the B section'-- he just >> mixed it up. The formatless format. To me, that's >> wonderful. I mean, why would you want any other format >> than that?" >> ... >> >> --- BILLMILOSZ@aol.com wrote: >> >Well, I stand corrected - Ira Glass is indeed >> >acknowledging the influence. >> >I am getting increasingly cynical in my old age, and >> >often assume the worst >> >about people.... it's good to hear that Ira Glass is >> >of better character than >> >that. >> >>Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2005 23:05:21 -0800 >> >From: Harold Johnson >> >To: Joe Frank Mailing List >> > >> >Subject: Re: [joe-frank-list] Joe- started an >> >industry? >> > >> >I am completely in accordance with what you're >> >saying, and many >> >artists have, in fact, acknowledged Joe Frank's >> >influence, I wish >> >they'd do it more often. There's an audio recording >> >you can listen to >> >at JoeFrank.com which includes both David Sedaris >> >and Ira Glass >> >detailing their admiration for Joe's work; it's >> >currently at the >> >following location, on the left of the page: >> > >> >http://www.joefrank.com/air.html >> > >> >Scroll down the page to find the link. You can also >> >find the same >> >audio on the following page, but you'll have to >> >scroll down farther: >> > >> >http://www.joefrank.com/shows.html >> > >> >Harold J. Johnson >> >http://audioblogs.info >> > >> >On Sun, 27 Mar 2005 01:30:22 EST, BILLMILOSZ@aol.com >> > wrote: >> >>I just heard a radio program called "Theory of >> >Everything" - a docutainment >> >>magazine format, interviews and discussion of a >> >certain topic. But the >> >>production style had the looped music, not quite >> >as dark as Joe's, but >> >>definitely that same production technique >> >pioneered by Joe of the looped >> >>music with a certain "feel" forming an audio >> >counterpoint to the spoken >> >>part. This is something Ira Glass picked up when >> >he interned with Joe Frank >> >>and then built into the very popular PRI /Public >> >Radio offering "This >> >>American Life" and now this same technique is >> >being used in "Theory of >> >>Everything"- a loop that sets the mood and which >> >swells up for emphasis when >> >>there is a pause in the story. >> >> >> >> And while this audio production archetype is now >> >so pervasive that it might >> >>seem like it occurred "naturally" or is an >> >"obvious method"- the truth is >> >>this is something Joe developed, ha ha, hope he >> >can collect roylaties from >> >>these Johnny-come-latelies. Or maybe the Third >> >Coast people were >> >>acknowledging this when they gave Joe that >> >Lifetime Achievement award. (I >> >>hope that there was a check that came along with >> >that award, but I bet there >> >>wasn't. Most people in Public Radio are starving. >> >The average production >> >>drudge in an NPR affiliate making documentaries >> >gets paid minimum wage -or >> >>less, if the station can get away with paying by >> >the piece rather than >> >>hiring staff by the hour.) >> >> >> >> Actually, I WOULD like to hear Ira Glass >> >acknowledge his debt to Joe. Glass >> >>tried a lot of different formulas on the radio - >> >including a self indulgent >> >>program called The Wild Room which seemingly had >> >no actual content- before >> >>he scored with This American Life, a program which >> >is COMPLETELY beholden to >> >>Joe for it's "look and feel". Ira has even been >> >known to use some of the >> >>exact same music to loop as Joe.... >> >> >> >> Don't get me wrong, I like This American Life, >> >I've heard some interesting >> >>stuff. I also liked what I heard so far of >> >Benjamin Walker's "Theory of >> >>Everything" (except the announcer's stop-and-start >> >vocal pacing which also >> >>has kind of breathy whine in it- very annoying) >> >but these guys owe A LOT to >> >>Joe and they should acknowledge it. >> >> >> >> Yeah, right- as if some artists is EVER going to >> >acknowledge that their >> >>work isn't only about them and their own >> >incredible genius..... >> >>_______________________________________________ >> >>Joe Frank Mailing List >> >>joe-frank-list@armory.com >> >> >> > >> http://www.armory.com/mailman/listinfo.cgi/joe-frank-list >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >_______________________________________________ >> >Joe Frank Mailing List >> >joe-frank-list@armory.com >> > >> http://www.armory.com/mailman/listinfo.cgi/joe-frank-list >> >>_______________________________________________ >> >Joe Frank Mailing List >> >joe-frank-list@armory.com >> > >> http://www.armory.com/mailman/listinfo.cgi/joe-frank-list >> > >> >> __________________________________________________ >> Do You Yahoo!? >> Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around >> http://mail.yahoo.com >> _______________________________________________ >> Joe Frank Mailing List >> joe-frank-list@armory.com >> > From BILLMILOSZ at aol.com Tue Mar 29 20:15:34 2005 From: BILLMILOSZ at aol.com (BILLMILOSZ@aol.com) Date: Tue Mar 29 20:15:44 2005 Subject: [joe-frank-list] Re: Joe- started an industry? Message-ID: Now that's interesting. One thing I have to say, I found it PAINFUL listening to Walker talk. The rhythm was so forced.... the inflection so stagey.... excruciating, that man's voice on the radio. Actually, though, I kind of liked the stories he was presenting in the one segment I heard. But all that aside- some very interesting short VIDEOS on JoeFrank.com's premium content this month. Even the Zima commercial is amusing. In a message dated 3/29/2005 6:10:57 PM Central Standard Time, babylulu@cybercom.net writes: > Finally I have to chime in, > > Bill, you wrote,.. > "Nice to be wrong when it means that people are better than I thought.... > maybe I need to have my medication adjusted ;-)" > > Bill, no need to adjust your meds. In the case of Walker there is no need > to retract; if he tips his hat to Joe Frank it's only because he has to, the > > comparison is inescapable. Ben uses the same manner of speaking, the same > phrasing and so on. He's been called on it many times. Walker is a horrible > poser, a user, a parasite and general all around ass. > > I did a show at WZBC where he does his show. I knew him- Yuck. > > Joe is the genuine article. > > The end. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I believe Joe was an anchor on this program back in the day. http://www.npr.org/templates/rundowns/rundown.php?prgId=2 But it sure would be interesting to hear some tape from these years! -- Will Irace Visit the Joe Frank Wiki: www.jfwiki.org On Wed, 30 Mar 2005 13:41:45 -0500, Tayt J Harlin wrote: > > > Does anyone have any tapes of Joe's monologues from the NPR program "All > Things Considered"? > _______________________________________________ > Joe Frank Mailing List > joe-frank-list@armory.com > http://www.armory.com/mailman/listinfo.cgi/joe-frank-list > > > From harold.johnson at gmail.com Wed Mar 30 13:00:33 2005 From: harold.johnson at gmail.com (Harold Johnson) Date: Wed Mar 30 13:00:37 2005 Subject: [joe-frank-list] All Things Considered In-Reply-To: References: <6c048656c0527c.6c0527c6c04865@nyu.edu> Message-ID: <2dbaf4d805033013003eccd1e@mail.gmail.com> I would dig around JoeFrank.com to see if there's any to be found, or contact them to see what they know about that: Site: http://www.joefrank.com Contact: contact@joefrank.com Who knows what'll turn up? Through the website I recently discovered and listened to a show recorded 30 years ago while Joe was still a wet-behind-the-ears amateur (though he still had a compelling voice). Harold J. Johnson http://SomethingthatHappened.com On Wed, 30 Mar 2005 12:10:44 -0800, Will Irace wrote: > All Things Considered is a news program on NPR. I believe Joe was an > anchor on this program back in the day. > > http://www.npr.org/templates/rundowns/rundown.php?prgId=2 > > But it sure would be interesting to hear some tape from these years! > > -- > Will Irace > Visit the Joe Frank Wiki: www.jfwiki.org > > > On Wed, 30 Mar 2005 13:41:45 -0500, Tayt J Harlin wrote: > > > > > > Does anyone have any tapes of Joe's monologues from the NPR program "All > > Things Considered"? > > _______________________________________________ > > Joe Frank Mailing List > > joe-frank-list@armory.com > > http://www.armory.com/mailman/listinfo.cgi/joe-frank-list > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Joe Frank Mailing List > joe-frank-list@armory.com > http://www.armory.com/mailman/listinfo.cgi/joe-frank-list >