From Peisithanatos at aol.com Wed Jun 1 00:38:04 2005 From: Peisithanatos at aol.com (Peisithanatos@aol.com) Date: Wed Jun 1 00:38:15 2005 Subject: [joe-frank-list] re: Poem for Peace Message-ID: <127.5d5c4579.2fcebfdc@aol.com> {yawn} -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.armory.com/pipermail/joe-frank-list/attachments/20050601/9275a2f6/attachment.htm From mondeauxp at gmail.com Wed Jun 1 13:44:03 2005 From: mondeauxp at gmail.com (Armando Prado) Date: Wed Jun 1 13:44:07 2005 Subject: [joe-frank-list] RE:CZJ as Kate Message-ID: <15cb6aea05060113446403dcc5@mail.gmail.com> Just for the record, I've never thought it was CZJ. For one thing, the age does not match the description. Second, that's too obvious. Third, CZJ never studied with Stella Adler. "Kate" could be a middle name that the person goes by. I'll just do my research and post it if I find a good looking prospect. (no pun intended) Good luck and happy day to all who find this. Mondo -- "It is no measure of health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society."- Krishnamurti -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.armory.com/pipermail/joe-frank-list/attachments/20050601/4e92e8fc/attachment.htm From molokoman1 at mac.com Wed Jun 1 14:26:25 2005 From: molokoman1 at mac.com (Darwin Green) Date: Wed Jun 1 14:26:35 2005 Subject: [joe-frank-list] RE:CZJ as Kate In-Reply-To: <15cb6aea05060113446403dcc5@mail.gmail.com> References: <15cb6aea05060113446403dcc5@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Didn't Kate actually appear on one of the shows? It was with another girl and they were at Joe's apartment. She talks about being with another girl and the differences compared with being with guys. If I remember correctly it's a show where Joe speaks very little and it seems like he's trying to get out of the apartment (I think he even said that he had to go to some dinner with some other people but Kate and the other girl persuaded him not to). On Jun 1, 2005, at 1:44 PM, Armando Prado wrote: > Just for the record, I've never thought it was CZJ. For one thing, the > age does not match the description. Second, that's too obvious. Third, > CZJ never studied with Stella Adler. "Kate" could be a middle name > that the person goes by. I'll just do my research and post it if I > find a good looking prospect. (no pun intended) Good luck and?happy > day?to all who find this. Mondo > From lonnierichardson at hotmail.com Wed Jun 1 16:27:44 2005 From: lonnierichardson at hotmail.com (Lonnie Richardson) Date: Wed Jun 1 16:29:17 2005 Subject: [joe-frank-list] RE:CZJ as Kate In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Isn't that one Sunday Morning Service. From majestic_cheese at yahoo.com Thu Jun 2 19:07:27 2005 From: majestic_cheese at yahoo.com (Larry Dunn) Date: Thu Jun 2 19:09:02 2005 Subject: [joe-frank-list] Re: RE:CZJ as Kate In-Reply-To: <200506021200.ac17073@deepthought.armory.com> Message-ID: <20050603020727.38031.qmail@web30004.mail.mud.yahoo.com> From: Armando Prado > Just for the record, I've never thought it was CZJ. Right. The name and the nationality have undoubtedly been changed. Anyway, from the Karma series, it seems obvious that this actress got some work, but isn't what you'd call a bona fide movie star. We won't ever know unless someone who knows Joe blabs, and I doubt that's going to happen. __________________________________ Discover Yahoo! Get on-the-go sports scores, stock quotes, news and more. Check it out! http://discover.yahoo.com/mobile.html From spblat at gmail.com Wed Jun 15 08:13:29 2005 From: spblat at gmail.com (Will Irace) Date: Wed Jun 15 08:19:53 2005 Subject: [joe-frank-list] JF VO in Movie Trailer Message-ID: Holy Crap! http://www.apple.com/trailers/fox_searchlight/night_watch/index.html I'd say Joe makes a pretty awesome "in-a-world guy", no? It's probably fair to assume he did this work recently. And the movie itself looks pretty outrageous. --W Will "www.jfwiki.org, visit us today" Irace From achavez382 at worldsavings.com Wed Jun 15 10:08:43 2005 From: achavez382 at worldsavings.com (Chavez, Aaron, ISD) Date: Wed Jun 15 10:08:48 2005 Subject: [joe-frank-list] JF VO in Movie Trailer Message-ID: <7BED8A15EDFE274D81BF3C76F3B23B9701609D84@SA1EMS12.worldsavings.com> "in-a-world guy" OMFG ROTFL! It _is_ Joe isn't it?!? Do you know this for a fact? I thought it was just any ole' "I-A-W-G" leathery voice over, but it's definitely got Joe's clipped phrasing. Cool. Movie looks typical, but a little odd. there's never been quite such a fool who could fail to pull the whole sky over him with one smile e e cummings -----Original Message----- From: joe-frank-list-bounces@armory.com [mailto:joe-frank-list-bounces@armory.com] On Behalf Of Will Irace Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2005 8:13 AM To: Joe Frank Mailing List Subject: [joe-frank-list] JF VO in Movie Trailer Holy Crap! http://www.apple.com/trailers/fox_searchlight/night_watch/index.html I'd say Joe makes a pretty awesome "in-a-world guy", no? It's probably fair to assume he did this work recently. And the movie itself looks pretty outrageous. --W Will "www.jfwiki.org, visit us today" Irace _______________________________________________ Joe Frank Mailing List joe-frank-list@armory.com http://www.armory.com/mailman/listinfo.cgi/joe-frank-list ***************************************************************************** If you are not the intended recipient of this e-mail, please notify the sender immediately. The contents of this e-mail do not amend any existing disclosures or agreements unless expressly stated. ***************************************************************************** From epierce at rcn.com Wed Jun 15 10:25:55 2005 From: epierce at rcn.com (Eric Pierce) Date: Wed Jun 15 10:25:59 2005 Subject: [joe-frank-list] JF VO in Movie Trailer In-Reply-To: <7BED8A15EDFE274D81BF3C76F3B23B9701609D84@SA1EMS12.worldsavings.com> Message-ID: I'll take Joe as the "Voice of God" over Don LaFontaine any day of the week! http://thetrailertrash.com/donlafontaine.html > -----Original Message----- > From: joe-frank-list-bounces@armory.com > [mailto:joe-frank-list-bounces@armory.com]On Behalf Of Chavez, Aaron, > ISD > Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2005 1:09 PM > To: Will Irace; Joe Frank Mailing List > Subject: RE: [joe-frank-list] JF VO in Movie Trailer > > > > "in-a-world guy" OMFG ROTFL! It _is_ Joe isn't it?!? Do you know this > for a fact? I thought it was just any ole' "I-A-W-G" leathery voice > over, but it's definitely got Joe's clipped phrasing. Cool. > > Movie looks typical, but a little odd. > > > > > there's never been quite such a fool > who could fail to pull the whole sky over him > with one smile > > e e cummings > > -----Original Message----- > From: joe-frank-list-bounces@armory.com > [mailto:joe-frank-list-bounces@armory.com] On Behalf Of Will Irace > Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2005 8:13 AM > To: Joe Frank Mailing List > Subject: [joe-frank-list] JF VO in Movie Trailer > > Holy Crap! > > http://www.apple.com/trailers/fox_searchlight/night_watch/index.html > > I'd say Joe makes a pretty awesome "in-a-world guy", no? It's probably > fair to assume he did this work recently. > > And the movie itself looks pretty outrageous. > > --W > > Will "www.jfwiki.org, visit us today" Irace > _______________________________________________ > Joe Frank Mailing List > joe-frank-list@armory.com > http://www.armory.com/mailman/listinfo.cgi/joe-frank-list > > > ****************************************************************** > *********** > If you are not the intended recipient of this e-mail, please notify > the sender immediately. The contents of this e-mail do not amend > any existing disclosures or agreements unless expressly stated. > ****************************************************************** > *********** > > _______________________________________________ > Joe Frank Mailing List > joe-frank-list@armory.com > http://www.armory.com/mailman/listinfo.cgi/joe-frank-list From spblat at gmail.com Wed Jun 15 10:34:55 2005 From: spblat at gmail.com (Will Irace) Date: Wed Jun 15 10:35:01 2005 Subject: [joe-frank-list] JF VO in Movie Trailer In-Reply-To: <7BED8A15EDFE274D81BF3C76F3B23B9701609D84@SA1EMS12.worldsavings.com> References: <7BED8A15EDFE274D81BF3C76F3B23B9701609D84@SA1EMS12.worldsavings.com> Message-ID: It's definitely Joe Frank. Plus I've heard tell there's a longer promo with Joe providing additional voiceover, but I haven't found it yet. When I do, I'll post again. This movie seems to have singlehandedly revitalized the Russian movie business. There's already a Russian DVD release, and I suppose the US version will be subtitled. http://www.manilatimes.net/national/2004/aug/01/yehey/opinion/20040801opi5.html Here's the Russian trailer (without Joe, of course): http://trailer.afisha.ru/night-watch-h.mov And a message board about the American release. http://forum.foxsearchlight.com/viewforum.php?f=30 There's a book too. I don't know if it's just Joe's involvement, but this movie has me pretty intrigued. --W On 6/15/05, Chavez, Aaron, ISD wrote: > > "in-a-world guy" OMFG ROTFL! It _is_ Joe isn't it?!? Do you know this > for a fact? I thought it was just any ole' "I-A-W-G" leathery voice > over, but it's definitely got Joe's clipped phrasing. Cool. > > Movie looks typical, but a little odd. From bobl at 1amsoftware.com Wed Jun 15 11:06:56 2005 From: bobl at 1amsoftware.com (Bob Lee) Date: Wed Jun 15 11:09:42 2005 Subject: [joe-frank-list] JF VO in Movie Trailer References: Message-ID: <01cd01c571d5$04b15370$a202a8c0@IBMBOBDESK> Damm quicktime now seems to require itunes as well as quicktime to install. Bob Lee ----- Original Message ----- From: "Will Irace" To: "Joe Frank Mailing List" Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2005 11:13 AM Subject: [joe-frank-list] JF VO in Movie Trailer Holy Crap! http://www.apple.com/trailers/fox_searchlight/night_watch/index.html I'd say Joe makes a pretty awesome "in-a-world guy", no? It's probably fair to assume he did this work recently. And the movie itself looks pretty outrageous. --W Will "www.jfwiki.org, visit us today" Irace _______________________________________________ Joe Frank Mailing List joe-frank-list@armory.com http://www.armory.com/mailman/listinfo.cgi/joe-frank-list From majestic_cheese at yahoo.com Mon Jun 20 17:27:36 2005 From: majestic_cheese at yahoo.com (Larry Dunn) Date: Mon Jun 20 17:29:09 2005 Subject: [joe-frank-list] Re: JF VO in Movie Trailer In-Reply-To: <200506151200.ac05799@deepthought.armory.com> Message-ID: <20050621002736.68132.qmail@web30014.mail.mud.yahoo.com> > From: Will Irace > Holy Crap! > > http://www.apple.com/trailers/fox_searchlight/night_watch/index.html > > I'd say Joe makes a pretty awesome "in-a-world guy", > no? It's probably > fair to assume he did this work recently. Thanks for sharing that. That certainly sounds like Joe. I've heard him on voice-overs on some animal rescue program as well. It's odd to see a moose stuck in a sinkhole and to hear Joe talking with great animation about it. At any moment I expect Farrington to show up. > And the movie itself looks pretty outrageous. Looks like a garden variety Gen-Y effects-driven supernatural horror flick to me, complete with the "disturbing baby doll" that is a staple of such fare. I wonder if Joe would do the voice-over for my movie, about a man who digitizes himself and travels across the internet to destroy people who are too stupid or lazy to trim their messages. Imagine the cheers in the audience as each offender dissolves screaming while devoured by the righteous digits. It'll be like "Deathwish" meets "The Matrix," or at least that's how my people are presenting the treatment. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Mark_Fassett at intuit.com Tue Jun 21 11:09:48 2005 From: Mark_Fassett at intuit.com (Fassett, Mark) Date: Tue Jun 21 11:10:00 2005 Subject: [joe-frank-list] Re: JF VO in Movie Trailer Message-ID: <5F30476461433A4ABF22CF78C971DC530AD66FE2@mtvex01.mv.intuit.com> > -----Original Message----- > I wonder if Joe would do the voice-over for my movie, > about a man who digitizes himself and travels across > the internet to destroy people who are too stupid or > lazy to trim their messages. Hey, I've gotta say I wish I had your problems! :) From harold.johnson at gmail.com Tue Jun 21 14:05:25 2005 From: harold.johnson at gmail.com (Harold Johnson) Date: Tue Jun 21 14:05:30 2005 Subject: [joe-frank-list] Re: JF VO in Movie Trailer In-Reply-To: <5F30476461433A4ABF22CF78C971DC530AD66FE2@mtvex01.mv.intuit.com> References: <5F30476461433A4ABF22CF78C971DC530AD66FE2@mtvex01.mv.intuit.com> Message-ID: <2dbaf4d8050621140519555cbd@mail.gmail.com> On 6/21/05, Fassett, Mark wrote: > > > > -----Original Message----- > > I wonder if Joe would do the voice-over for my movie, > > about a man who digitizes himself and travels across > > the internet to destroy people who are too stupid or > > lazy to trim their messages. > > Hey, I've gotta say I wish I had your problems! :) Great hilarity. That's this fellow's *thing*, isn't it? The irritation with people not trimming their messages...I wonder if he requires people to trim their conversations at parties, too? (Actually, that's probably not a bad idea...) Harold From djrichard at nc.rr.com Tue Jun 21 14:45:41 2005 From: djrichard at nc.rr.com (David Richard) Date: Tue Jun 21 14:45:48 2005 Subject: [joe-frank-list] JF VO in Movie Trailer References: <01cd01c571d5$04b15370$a202a8c0@IBMBOBDESK> Message-ID: <006001c576aa$929fa0e0$40348c2f@corp.nortel.com> If you want to install quicktime w/o itunes go here: http://www.apple.com/quicktime/download/standalone.html - David ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Lee" To: "Will Irace" ; "Joe Frank Mailing List" Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2005 2:06 PM Subject: Re: [joe-frank-list] JF VO in Movie Trailer > Damm quicktime now seems to require itunes as well as quicktime to install. > Bob Lee From majestic_cheese at yahoo.com Tue Jun 21 20:35:07 2005 From: majestic_cheese at yahoo.com (Larry Dunn) Date: Tue Jun 21 20:36:40 2005 Subject: [joe-frank-list] Re: JF VO in Movie In-Reply-To: <200506211200.ac15979@deepthought.armory.com> Message-ID: <20050622033507.49233.qmail@web30004.mail.mud.yahoo.com> > > I wonder if Joe would do the voice-over for my > movie, > > about a man who digitizes himself and travels > across > > the internet to destroy people who are too stupid > or > > lazy to trim their messages. > > Hey, I've gotta say I wish I had your problems! :) Eh? When did I characterize this pet peeve as one of "my problems?" __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Mark_Fassett at intuit.com Wed Jun 22 13:41:09 2005 From: Mark_Fassett at intuit.com (Fassett, Mark) Date: Wed Jun 22 13:41:20 2005 Subject: [joe-frank-list] Re: JF VO in Movie Message-ID: <5F30476461433A4ABF22CF78C971DC530AD66FEE@mtvex01.mv.intuit.com> > -----Original Message----- > Eh? When did I characterize this pet peeve as one of > "my problems?" I was ribbing you about the vehemence you displayed about an issue I felt was of little importance.... I didn't mean for it to be a big insult or anything, just having a little fun. Sorry I should have included the smiley... :) From majestic_cheese at yahoo.com Wed Jun 22 19:18:57 2005 From: majestic_cheese at yahoo.com (Larry Dunn) Date: Wed Jun 22 19:20:30 2005 Subject: [joe-frank-list] Re: Re: JF VO in Movie Trailer In-Reply-To: <200506221200.ac08019@deepthought.armory.com> Message-ID: <20050623021857.43344.qmail@web30007.mail.mud.yahoo.com> From: Harold Johnson >That's this fellow's *thing*, isn't >it? The >irritation with people not trimming their >messages...I >wonder if he >requires people to trim their conversations at >parties, too? >(Actually, that's probably not a bad idea...) Hate to have to point it out, but that's an obtuse analogy, because people don't repeat everything that was said before they speak in a conversation. I have a *thing* about people bellowing into their cellphones in crowded public places too -- just another example of me being unreasonable, I guess. ____________________________________________________ Yahoo! Sports Rekindle the Rivalries. Sign up for Fantasy Football http://football.fantasysports.yahoo.com From harold.johnson at gmail.com Wed Jun 22 19:35:08 2005 From: harold.johnson at gmail.com (Harold Johnson) Date: Wed Jun 22 19:35:13 2005 Subject: [joe-frank-list] Re: Re: JF VO in Movie Trailer In-Reply-To: <20050623021857.43344.qmail@web30007.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <200506221200.ac08019@deepthought.armory.com> <20050623021857.43344.qmail@web30007.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <2dbaf4d8050622193576d7d6e1@mail.gmail.com> Thank you, you're beautiful. Thank you...you're...beautiful. Thank you. You're. Beautiful.... Harold On 6/22/05, Larry Dunn wrote: > From: Harold Johnson > > >That's this fellow's *thing*, isn't > >it? The > >irritation with people not trimming their > >messages...I > >wonder if he > >requires people to trim their conversations at > >parties, too? > >(Actually, that's probably not a bad idea...) > > Hate to have to point it out, but that's an obtuse > analogy, because people don't repeat everything that > was said before they speak in a conversation. > > I have a *thing* about people bellowing into their > cellphones in crowded public places too -- just > another example of me being unreasonable, I guess. > > > > ____________________________________________________ > Yahoo! Sports > Rekindle the Rivalries. Sign up for Fantasy Football > http://football.fantasysports.yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > Joe Frank Mailing List > joe-frank-list@armory.com > http://www.armory.com/mailman/listinfo.cgi/joe-frank-list > From Peisithanatos at aol.com Thu Jun 23 14:17:11 2005 From: Peisithanatos at aol.com (Peisithanatos@aol.com) Date: Thu Jun 23 14:17:26 2005 Subject: [joe-frank-list] Re: JF VO in Movie Message-ID: <1fd.439f98c.2fec80d7@aol.com> Don't forget to trim your mutton chops while you're at it. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Check it out! http://discover.yahoo.com/mobile.html From tewoodruff at yahoo.com Fri Jun 24 09:10:37 2005 From: tewoodruff at yahoo.com (tewoodruff) Date: Fri Jun 24 09:12:10 2005 Subject: [joe-frank-list] The LISTSERV In-Reply-To: <20050624053103.27407.qmail@web30013.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20050624161037.1628.qmail@web31103.mail.mud.yahoo.com> http://www.mcsweeneys.net/2005/5/16stoeckel.html --- Larry Dunn wrote: > > I was ribbing you about the vehemence you > displayed > > about an issue I felt > > was of little importance.... I didn't mean for it > to > > be a big insult or > > anything, just having a little fun. > > Well, you can be irritated by certain behavior > without > considering it to be of great importance. > > > > __________________________________ > Discover Yahoo! > Get on-the-go sports scores, stock quotes, news and > more. Check it out! > http://discover.yahoo.com/mobile.html > _______________________________________________ > Joe Frank Mailing List > joe-frank-list@armory.com > http://www.armory.com/mailman/listinfo.cgi/joe-frank-list > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Mark_Fassett at intuit.com Fri Jun 24 11:26:37 2005 From: Mark_Fassett at intuit.com (Fassett, Mark) Date: Fri Jun 24 11:26:46 2005 Subject: [joe-frank-list] Re: JF VO in Movie Message-ID: <5F30476461433A4ABF22CF78C971DC530AD67005@mtvex01.mv.intuit.com> > -----Original Message----- > Well, you can be irritated by certain behavior without > considering it to be of great importance. Yea, absolutely... I see that now! :) From justin at kempton.com Fri Jun 24 13:10:07 2005 From: justin at kempton.com (Justin Kempton) Date: Fri Jun 24 13:10:20 2005 Subject: [joe-frank-list] Re: Re: JF VO in Movie Trailer In-Reply-To: <20050623021857.43344.qmail@web30007.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20050623021857.43344.qmail@web30007.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <42BC689F.3050409@kempton.com> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Darwin On Jun 24, 2005, at 3:32 PM, El Presidente, Erik Estrada wrote: > i was wondering if anyone had an interest in making their own > radio-ready broadcasts and have ideas about the process.? such as: > ? > - writing for radio (i.e. dialogue, monologue, plays, narrative, etc.) > - techniques (i.e. mixer settings, effects, mic placement,?recording > your voice, how to speak in a radio-friendly manner,?etc.) > - how to get from an idea to the end product > ? > i remember reading a joe frank interview where he was talking about > the distinctive sound of his voice on his later broadcasts.? > apparently it was somewhat accidental and was created by playing back > the tape after using a certain kind of noise reduction.? i forget the > details.? anyway, thought some of you might be interested in a thread > of this nature. > ? > Derrick Estrada > for president > estrada9@gmail.com_______________________________________________ > Joe Frank Mailing List > joe-frank-list@armory.com > http://www.armory.com/mailman/listinfo.cgi/joe-frank-list -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I must admit that is one part of the reason I started "The Los Angeles Joe Frank Collective" as perhaps a vehicle to that end. No hidden mics (btw)! Who knows. Any other ideas out there amongst our fellow frankophilian listites. David Smith http://joefrank.meetup.com/ I, for one, am very interested in the process and making my own radio-ready broadcast. Darwin On Jun 24, 2005, at 3:32 PM, El Presidente, Erik Estrada wrote: i was wondering if anyone had an interest in making their own radio-ready broadcasts and have ideas about the process. such as: - writing for radio (i.e. dialogue, monologue, plays, narrative, etc.) - techniques (i.e. mixer settings, effects, mic placement, recording your voice, how to speak in a radio-friendly manner, etc.) - how to get from an idea to the end product i remember reading a joe frank interview where he was talking about the distinctive sound of his voice on his later broadcasts. apparently it was somewhat accidental and was created by playing back the tape after using a certain kind of noise reduction. i forget the details. anyway, thought some of you might be interested in a thread of this nature. Derrick Estrada for president estrada9@gmail.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.armory.com/pipermail/joe-frank-list/attachments/20050624/f07e72eb/attachment.htm From justin at kempton.com Fri Jun 24 20:47:09 2005 From: justin at kempton.com (Justin Kempton) Date: Fri Jun 24 20:47:24 2005 Subject: [joe-frank-list] recording techniques/legal issues, etc In-Reply-To: References: <001a01c5790c$a8f64f10$bb02a8c0@wally> Message-ID: <42BCD3BD.5080606@kempton.com> Radio-ready audio. As an experiment a few years back I did exactly this (minus the radio publication). Ebay has good deals on recording equipment. I settled on a DAT ($400) from Sony, and a stereo condenser mic also from Sony ($100). You could just as easily use a Mini-disc recorder, and in fact, I recommend trying these instead. Mini discs are cheaper, and the media is also more flexible. Transferring the audio to the computer has been and continues to be a major problem. Oh, by the way, digital recording is the way to go on all of this. Editing is a breeze once you get the files into a computer, which brings me to the problem. Because of some major lawsuit so many years ago, Mini-disc recorders lack the technology to transfer files recorded over the mic to the computer directly as files. Instead, the audio must be transfered using optical wires, and this process happens in real-time. When dealing with hours and hours of recordings, this becomes a real hassle. Hope remains. There are several hard-disk based recording devices coming to the market, including one by Archos. http://www.archos.com/products/catalog.html I have not been able to hear the quality of the recording, but was told it is excellent. Someone should look into this product though, because it has the most open ended format, being direct to Hard disk recording, and USB connections. One drawback is that Archos drive (die) when plugged into Macs. My friend has one, and for some reason the Mac killed it once it plugged in. Apple is aligning itself with the whole copyright protected music industry, beware! Their new computers are planned for PC chips, precisely for the copyright meta data. I use PC's, they are great. Apples are known for the their Top-End audio recording though, so consider them. PC's still, rule in the cheap, open-source friendly bottom end of music creation, for that reason, I love them. Once the audio has been digitized, and resides on your computer, you need a multi-track audio editing program to do something Frank Esq. There are two programs I recommend. Acid 4.0, and CoolEdit2.0 or later. CoolEdit recently was purchased by Adobe. It's original program is brilliant, the new version by Adobe has nothing new about it besides the logos. Acid is owned by SonicFoundry, and has many different versions of Acid. Acid is cool for making layers of beats, (perfect for background theme creation).Both of these are great, and I lean toward CoolEdit for ease, and Acid for effects. Both can give you realtime effects processing, including reverb, and distortion. Acidized music is huge. There is tons of music/beats/and theme sounds and transitions out there free to use for background themes so long as you buy the ACID disc. Go to GuitarCenter or SamAsh for these discs. They cost around $40, and are worth owning. The music. Music is not free. I suggest making your own, or teaming up with some musician wanting to get their stuff out (like me). If you need some background themes, all I need is a credit, and possibility of $ when you make a million dollars :) I hope this is helpful. p.s. You can see what I did with all of the above here : http://www.writersmugs.com/paranoia/index.php From tewoodruff at yahoo.com Fri Jun 24 21:00:19 2005 From: tewoodruff at yahoo.com (tewoodruff) Date: Fri Jun 24 21:01:53 2005 Subject: [joe-frank-list] recording techniques/legal issues, etc In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20050625040019.17420.qmail@web31114.mail.mud.yahoo.com> The This American Life guys made a little comic book you should get from their website for like five bucks. It serves as a short overview/guide to producing these kinds of audio programs...tips on the technical stuff as well as storytelling technique. The equipment and software is so cheap nowadays but editing can obviously get pretty tedious. --- David Smith wrote: > I second that notion. I have thought a lot about > recording people/friends gathered around telling > each other stories, or just having good > conversations in general (hours and hours, over > days, weeks, months, years, or whatever) and then > editing them (the best parts) to cool music. Not > quite like a DJ using small samples to make a song, > and not as elaborate as Joe's cast of actors > improvising, but somewhere in-between. Oh, and a > little more random, abstract, and less formulaic > than "This American Life". Maybe there is something > there, maybe not. I must admit that is one part of > the reason I started "The Los Angeles Joe Frank > Collective" as perhaps a vehicle to that end. No > hidden mics (btw)! Who knows. Any other ideas out > there amongst our fellow frankophilian listites. > > David Smith > http://joefrank.meetup.com/ > > > I, for one, am very interested in the process and > making my own radio-ready broadcast. > Darwin > > On Jun 24, 2005, at 3:32 PM, El Presidente, Erik > Estrada wrote: > > > i was wondering if anyone had an interest in > making their own radio-ready broadcasts and have > ideas about the process. such as: > > - writing for radio (i.e. dialogue, monologue, > plays, narrative, etc.) > - techniques (i.e. mixer settings, effects, mic > placement, recording your voice, how to speak in a > radio-friendly manner, etc.) > - how to get from an idea to the end product > > i remember reading a joe frank interview where > he was talking about the distinctive sound of his > voice on his later broadcasts. apparently it was > somewhat accidental and was created by playing back > the tape after using a certain kind of noise > reduction. i forget the details. anyway, thought > some of you might be interested in a thread of this > nature. > > Derrick Estrada > for president > estrada9@gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > Joe Frank Mailing List > joe-frank-list@armory.com > http://www.armory.com/mailman/listinfo.cgi/joe-frank-list > ____________________________________________________ Yahoo! Sports Rekindle the Rivalries. Sign up for Fantasy Football http://football.fantasysports.yahoo.com From matthewshepherd at hotmail.com Sat Jun 25 03:45:50 2005 From: matthewshepherd at hotmail.com (Matthew Shepherd) Date: Sat Jun 25 03:47:23 2005 Subject: [joe-frank-list] recording techniques/legal issues, etc In-Reply-To: <42BCD3BD.5080606@kempton.com> Message-ID: "Oh, by the way, digital recording is the way to go
>on all of this. Editing is a breeze once you get the files into a
>computer, which brings me to the problem. Because of some major
>lawsuit so many years ago, Mini-disc recorders lack the technology
>to transfer files recorded over the mic to the computer directly as
>files. Instead, the audio must be transfered using optical wires,
>and this process happens in real-time." Solved in the newest generation of MD recorders, thank God. Hi-MD lets you upload to the computer through USB, and there are programs like the Hi-MD Renderer that turn the proprietary sound files into standard WAVs and MP3s. From majestic_cheese at yahoo.com Mon Jun 27 18:10:08 2005 From: majestic_cheese at yahoo.com (Larry Dunn) Date: Mon Jun 27 18:11:41 2005 Subject: [joe-frank-list] Re: JF VO in Movie In-Reply-To: <200506241200.ac18654@deepthought.armory.com> Message-ID: <20050628011008.12529.qmail@web30008.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- joe-frank-list-request@armory.com wrote: > From: tewoodruff > http://www.mcsweeneys.net/2005/5/16stoeckel.html That's hilarious! __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail Stay connected, organized, and protected. Take the tour: http://tour.mail.yahoo.com/mailtour.html From majestic_cheese at yahoo.com Mon Jun 27 18:17:06 2005 From: majestic_cheese at yahoo.com (Larry Dunn) Date: Mon Jun 27 18:18:42 2005 Subject: [joe-frank-list] Re: Re: JF VO in Movie Trailer In-Reply-To: <200506242103.ac21991@deepthought.armory.com> Message-ID: <20050628011706.77624.qmail@web30010.mail.mud.yahoo.com> >Within reason, I prefer a one page email complete >with all of the back and forth. Sure, but that's not the same issue as trimming messages, particularly when you are replying to a digest message, and you send the entire digest on the ass end of your response. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From majestic_cheese at yahoo.com Mon Jun 27 18:19:59 2005 From: majestic_cheese at yahoo.com (Larry Dunn) Date: Mon Jun 27 18:21:35 2005 Subject: [joe-frank-list] Re: JF VO in Movie In-Reply-To: <200506241200.ac18654@deepthought.armory.com> Message-ID: <20050628012000.86458.qmail@web30013.mail.mud.yahoo.com> > From: "Fassett, Mark" > > Well, you can be irritated by certain behavior > without > > considering it to be of great importance. > > Yea, absolutely... I see that now! :) Stop, you're going to make me cry. :D People can object to bad behavior being called bad behavior, but notice that messages are being trimmed now. Good deed for the day done, he sauntered into the sunset with Eli Wallach in hot pursuit. ____________________________________________________ Yahoo! Sports Rekindle the Rivalries. Sign up for Fantasy Football http://football.fantasysports.yahoo.com From spblat at gmail.com Mon Jun 27 20:59:26 2005 From: spblat at gmail.com (Will Irace) Date: Mon Jun 27 20:59:31 2005 Subject: [joe-frank-list] Trim your messages please (Was Re: JF VO in Movie) In-Reply-To: <20050628012000.86458.qmail@web30013.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <200506241200.ac18654@deepthought.armory.com> <20050628012000.86458.qmail@web30013.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Someday soon, Joe will issue new content, or a newsletter, or a new version of the "Night Watch" trailer, or he will possibly fart in public. Then we can all rejoice and stop talking about trimmed messages. :-) --W On 6/27/05, Larry Dunn wrote: > People can object to bad behavior being called bad > behavior, but notice that messages are being trimmed > now. Good deed for the day done, he sauntered into > the sunset with Eli Wallach in hot pursuit. > > > From Mark_Fassett at intuit.com Tue Jun 28 11:14:04 2005 From: Mark_Fassett at intuit.com (Fassett, Mark) Date: Tue Jun 28 11:14:53 2005 Subject: [joe-frank-list] Re: JF VO in Movie Message-ID: <5F30476461433A4ABF22CF78C971DC530AD67021@mtvex01.mv.intuit.com> > Stop, you're going to make me cry. :D ..but I only wanted to make you laugh! We all know, to quote my favorite modern philsopher Nigel Tufnel, "there's a fine line between stupid and clever." From ghastly_fop at yahoo.com Tue Jun 28 13:18:54 2005 From: ghastly_fop at yahoo.com (Levent) Date: Tue Jun 28 13:20:27 2005 Subject: [joe-frank-list] Joe's Illness Message-ID: <20050628201854.93343.qmail@web52510.mail.yahoo.com> Yeah? Ok, well I'll post something. While my inbox has been flooded with this breathtakingly fascinating message-trimming discussion, people seem to have ignored the news about Joe Frank's state of health and forthcoming work. Am I the only one who received this? I'll paste it below. Oh, but never mind, the message trimming thing is far more interesting. Greetings, Thanks to everyone who has written Joe wishing him well over the past few months. Here's (briefly) what happened: In mid-January, Joe was laid up, unable to walk. Medication he was taking led to internal bleeding and a week (February 18-25) at St. John's Hospital in Santa Monica. Then, in the early morning hours of April 5th, Joe experienced severe abdominal pain. His girlfriend drove him to the emergency room where, after a battery of diagnostic tests, Joe was told he had experienced sudden, irreversible kidney failure (Joe lost his other kidney in 1991). After three weeks in the hospital, where he began dialysis treatments, Joe returned home. He now goes for dialysis three times a week. The ordeal was initially shocking and overwhelming. Joe lost the stamina and motivation to work. In time, though, he began to keep a journal and to record phone conversations with his radio collaborators. With this material, Joe is now in the process of creating a new radio series based on his experience called, "The Santa Monica Book of the Dead." Since early April, we have committed our time to helping Joe with his personal affairs and have not had a chance to add new Premium content. We are grateful to the loyal and committed Members of JoeFrank.com. Because of you, we will be able to upload new Premium content (in addition to Joe's new series), and continue to keep all of the archived shows available for all Premium Members. Later this week, Premium Members will be able to see two highly produced comic Joe Frank films (which appeared in his live performances in Chicago and San Francisco) plus a few other items we will upload. And we'll move quickly ahead implementing our plan to improve the site, offer downloads, T-shirts, and more. Keep checking www.joefrank.com for updates and we'll send a Newsletter out announcing the first installment of Joe's new series. Thanks again for your continued support, The Joe Frank Team ____________________________________________________ Yahoo! Sports Rekindle the Rivalries. Sign up for Fantasy Football http://football.fantasysports.yahoo.com From harold.johnson at gmail.com Tue Jun 28 18:48:45 2005 From: harold.johnson at gmail.com (Harold Johnson) Date: Tue Jun 28 18:48:48 2005 Subject: [joe-frank-list] Joe's Illness In-Reply-To: <20050628201854.93343.qmail@web52510.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20050628201854.93343.qmail@web52510.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <2dbaf4d805062818483d23fc75@mail.gmail.com> Hi Levent, I can only speak for myself - no, I haven't received this news. This is the first I've learned of the specifics of Joe's state of health/his forthcoming work. I'm glad to hear about the new radio series - thanks for sharing that. Sincerely, Harold J. Johnson On 6/28/05, Levent wrote: > Yeah? Ok, well I'll post something. While my inbox > has been flooded with this breathtakingly fascinating > message-trimming discussion, people seem to have > ignored the news about Joe Frank's state of health and > forthcoming work. Am I the only one who received > this? I'll paste it below. > > Oh, but never mind, the message trimming thing is far > more interesting. > > > Greetings, > > Thanks to everyone who has written Joe wishing him > well over the past few months. Here's (briefly) what > happened: > > In mid-January, Joe was laid up, unable to walk. > Medication he was taking led to internal bleeding and > a week (February 18-25) at St. John's Hospital in > Santa Monica. > > Then, in the early morning hours of April 5th, Joe > experienced severe abdominal pain. His girlfriend > drove him to the emergency room where, after a battery > of diagnostic tests, Joe was told he had experienced > sudden, irreversible kidney failure (Joe lost his > other kidney in 1991). > > After three weeks in the hospital, where he began > dialysis treatments, Joe returned home. He now goes > for dialysis three times a week. > > The ordeal was initially shocking and overwhelming. > Joe lost the stamina and motivation to work. In time, > though, he began to keep a journal and to record phone > conversations with his radio collaborators. > > With this material, Joe is now in the process of > creating a new radio series based on his experience > called, "The Santa Monica Book of the Dead." > > Since early April, we have committed our time to > helping Joe with his personal affairs and have not had > a chance to add new Premium content. We are grateful > to the loyal and committed Members of JoeFrank.com. > Because of you, we will be able to upload new Premium > content (in addition to Joe's new series), and > continue to keep all of the archived shows available > for all Premium Members. > > Later this week, Premium Members will be able to see > two highly produced comic Joe Frank films (which > appeared in his live performances in Chicago and San > Francisco) plus a few other items we will upload. And > we'll move quickly ahead implementing our plan to > improve the site, offer downloads, T-shirts, and more. > > Keep checking www.joefrank.com for updates and we'll > send a Newsletter out announcing the first installment > of Joe's new series. > > Thanks again for your continued support, > > The Joe Frank Team From harold.johnson at gmail.com Tue Jun 28 18:58:15 2005 From: harold.johnson at gmail.com (Harold Johnson) Date: Tue Jun 28 18:58:17 2005 Subject: [joe-frank-list] recording techniques/legal issues, etc In-Reply-To: <42BCD3BD.5080606@kempton.com> References: <001a01c5790c$a8f64f10$bb02a8c0@wally> <42BCD3BD.5080606@kempton.com> Message-ID: <2dbaf4d805062818584f18affc@mail.gmail.com> On 6/24/05, Justin Kempton wrote: > Once the audio has been digitized, and resides on your computer, you > need a multi-track audio editing program to do something Frank Esq. > There are two programs I recommend. Acid 4.0, and CoolEdit2.0 or later. > CoolEdit recently was purchased by Adobe. It's original program is > brilliant, the new version by Adobe has nothing new about it besides the > logos. Acid is owned by SonicFoundry, and has many different versions of > Acid. Acid is cool for making layers of beats, (perfect for background > theme creation).Both of these are great, and I lean toward CoolEdit for > ease, and Acid for effects. Both can give you realtime effects > processing, including reverb, and distortion. If you're in a lower tax-bracket, I'd recommend using open source tools like Audacity, which are free. Audacity is a wonderful cross-platform audio editing application - in other words, it works on Mac, Windows, and Linux operating systems. So if you have a dusty old PC with an early Pentium processor on it or something, you can slap Linux on it for free, Audacity for free, and go to work. I don't believe Audacity is as robust as CoolEdit or Acid software, but it does the job fine. Harold J. Johnson http;//voyagerradio.com From tkelm94520 at yahoo.com Wed Jun 29 09:37:34 2005 From: tkelm94520 at yahoo.com (Tim) Date: Wed Jun 29 09:39:06 2005 Subject: [joe-frank-list] Joe's Illness In-Reply-To: <20050628201854.93343.qmail@web52510.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20050629163734.11939.qmail@web50204.mail.yahoo.com> Thank you! I'm glad someone was able to speak out against this moronistic pointless discussion. Alas! my inbox has been spared. On the topic of Joe Frank, i'm still looking forward to getting a set of T-Shirts, my favorite "I've made a dreadful error." Anyone heard any heads up as to the ETA and $? T. Levent wrote: Yeah? Ok, well I'll post something. While my inbox has been flooded with this breathtakingly fascinating message-trimming discussion, people seem to have ignored the news about Joe Frank's state of health and forthcoming work. Am I the only one who received this? I'll paste it below. Oh, but never mind, the message trimming thing is far more interesting. Greetings, Thanks to everyone who has written Joe wishing him well over the past few months. Here's (briefly) what happened: In mid-January, Joe was laid up, unable to walk. Medication he was taking led to internal bleeding and a week (February 18-25) at St. John's Hospital in Santa Monica. Then, in the early morning hours of April 5th, Joe experienced severe abdominal pain. His girlfriend drove him to the emergency room where, after a battery of diagnostic tests, Joe was told he had experienced sudden, irreversible kidney failure (Joe lost his other kidney in 1991). After three weeks in the hospital, where he began dialysis treatments, Joe returned home. He now goes for dialysis three times a week. The ordeal was initially shocking and overwhelming. Joe lost the stamina and motivation to work. In time, though, he began to keep a journal and to record phone conversations with his radio collaborators. With this material, Joe is now in the process of creating a new radio series based on his experience called, "The Santa Monica Book of the Dead." Since early April, we have committed our time to helping Joe with his personal affairs and have not had a chance to add new Premium content. We are grateful to the loyal and committed Members of JoeFrank.com. Because of you, we will be able to upload new Premium content (in addition to Joe's new series), and continue to keep all of the archived shows available for all Premium Members. Later this week, Premium Members will be able to see two highly produced comic Joe Frank films (which appeared in his live performances in Chicago and San Francisco) plus a few other items we will upload. And we'll move quickly ahead implementing our plan to improve the site, offer downloads, T-shirts, and more. Keep checking www.joefrank.com for updates and we'll send a Newsletter out announcing the first installment of Joe's new series. Thanks again for your continued support, The Joe Frank Team ____________________________________________________ Yahoo! Sports Rekindle the Rivalries. Sign up for Fantasy Football http://football.fantasysports.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ Joe Frank Mailing List joe-frank-list@armory.com http://www.armory.com/mailman/listinfo.cgi/joe-frank-list __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.armory.com/pipermail/joe-frank-list/attachments/20050629/d2a1c8a7/attachment.htm From billmilosz at aol.com Wed Jun 29 10:59:43 2005 From: billmilosz at aol.com (billmilosz@aol.com) Date: Wed Jun 29 10:59:48 2005 Subject: [joe-frank-list] Joe's illness Message-ID: <8C74AEB76906DD0-8B8-57D@FWM-D43.sysops.aol.com> Total kidney failure is not a nice way to live. Dialysis takes hours, and between dialysis treatments the patient gets more and more ill from the buildup of metabolites in the bloodstream. The cost is staggering. It is not impossible that Joe will be made penniless by the medical bills, even if he has health insurance - which he might not. (Go buy a few shows, help the old boy out!) The alternative is, of course, certain death. Or a kidney transplant. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.armory.com/pipermail/joe-frank-list/attachments/20050629/e46c7f96/attachment.htm From majestic_cheese at yahoo.com Wed Jun 29 21:48:36 2005 From: majestic_cheese at yahoo.com (Larry Dunn) Date: Wed Jun 29 21:50:17 2005 Subject: [joe-frank-list] Re: Joe's Illness In-Reply-To: <200506291200.ac15466@deepthought.armory.com> Message-ID: <20050630044836.71995.qmail@web30002.mail.mud.yahoo.com> From: Levent >Am I the only one who received this? I'll paste it >below. I was very appreciative of getting this news about Joe. >Oh, but never mind, the message trimming thing is far >more interesting. Considering that you seem to be one of the few people to have gotten this, this statement is completely out of line. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From majestic_cheese at yahoo.com Wed Jun 29 21:55:50 2005 From: majestic_cheese at yahoo.com (Larry Dunn) Date: Wed Jun 29 21:57:23 2005 Subject: [joe-frank-list] Re: Joe's Illness In-Reply-To: <200506291200.ac15466@deepthought.armory.com> Message-ID: <20050630045550.48993.qmail@web30008.mail.mud.yahoo.com> From: Tim >Thank you! >I'm glad someone was able to speak out against this >moronistic pointless discussion. Yeah, with a sucker punch. >Alas! my inbox has been spared. Glad to hear that you got such enjoyment and a refreshing change of pace from hearing of Joe's serious illness. At least someone is digging it -- I myself was horrified. By the way, it's "moronic," not "moronistic." Oh, and trim your messages. :D __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail Stay connected, organized, and protected. Take the tour: http://tour.mail.yahoo.com/mailtour.html From babylulu at cybercom.net Wed Jun 29 22:12:57 2005 From: babylulu at cybercom.net (babylulu@cybercom.net) Date: Wed Jun 29 22:13:01 2005 Subject: [joe-frank-list] Re: Joe's Illness In-Reply-To: <20050630045550.48993.qmail@web30008.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20050630045550.48993.qmail@web30008.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20050630051257.2881.qmail@mail.cybercom.net> Jesus Christ! Will you guys please give this lame ass back-biting a break? You all sound like a bunch of crabby old biddies. M.G. Larry Dunn writes: >>Thank you! >>I'm glad someone was able to speak out against this >>moronistic pointless discussion. > > Yeah, with a sucker punch. >>Alas! my inbox has been spared. > > Glad to hear that you got such enjoyment and a > refreshing change of pace from hearing of Joe's > serious illness. At least someone is digging it -- I > myself was horrified. > By the way, it's "moronic," not "moronistic." > Oh, and trim your messages. :D