From Peisithanatos at aol.com Mon Aug 1 02:40:38 2005
From: Peisithanatos at aol.com (Peisithanatos@aol.com)
Date: Mon Aug 1 02:40:48 2005
Subject: [joe-frank-list] After Hours
Message-ID: <c1.5d5bfeb8.301f4816@aol.com>
Will the real "Joseph Minion" please stand up?
http://www.indiewire.com/people/int_Minion_Joseph_980921.html
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From Peisithanatos at aol.com Mon Aug 1 02:48:09 2005
From: Peisithanatos at aol.com (Peisithanatos@aol.com)
Date: Mon Aug 1 02:48:23 2005
Subject: [joe-frank-list] Fish Burglars???
Message-ID: <1fd.6c857b7.301f49d9@aol.com>
Awww! This is such a great photograph! Has anybody seen this film?
http://www.fishburglars.com/joe_pop.html
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From matthewshepherd at hotmail.com Mon Aug 8 07:02:05 2005
From: matthewshepherd at hotmail.com (Matthew Shepherd)
Date: Mon Aug 8 07:02:08 2005
Subject: [joe-frank-list] Music royalties & Wiretap
Message-ID: <BAY103-F20FF438613FA86CA188CA9ACB80@phx.gbl>
Hi all,
I'm currently working on my own Joe Frank Cough Rip-Off Cough Tribute
project. Basically heisting his monologue-and-intervew-over-ambience format.
Hopefully with enough of a unique and personal spin to make it more than
just Joe Frank Lite, but at least I'm being honest with myself: I'm starting
by emulating an artist I deeply admire, and hopefully my own voice will grow
from there. Like Bill Sienkiewicz starting as a lesser Neal Adams clone, if
you're into comics.
I am curious, however, about whether Joe or KCRW ever had to pay royalties
on the background music used in Joe projects. It's copyrighted stuff,
obviously, and radio can be pretty loosey-goosey about how royalties and
"fair use" works. I'm hoping to work with some local musicians on this
project, side-stepping the problem altogether, but it would be good to know
how this stuff works. I'm in Canada, if that makes a difference.
Also: Joe Frank fans might get a charge out of Wiretap, on CBC radio. It's
kind of crushing for me to listen to, because I've been developing this
project for several years and then Wiretap turned up just when I was
prepping a CBC pitch, basically occupying the Joe Frank wannabe position.
I'm not a huge fan -- I find the host ridiculously self-absorbed, and all
the worse for making fun of being self-absorbed but doing so in a very "ha
ha I'm looking at myself critically aren't I clever and post-modern" sort of
way. Recently, he's been doing his own versions of bible stories.
It's hard to say whether this is an intentional Joe Frank rip-off or just
somebody thinking they're brilliantly original 20 years after the fact; Joe
Frank has certainly never been mentioned on the show to my knowledge. But
Frank fans might get a charge out of it. I'm still a little sour grapey
about the whole thing, so I think that's jaundiced my ear a bit.
- Matt
From BILLMILOSZ at aol.com Mon Aug 8 13:33:10 2005
From: BILLMILOSZ at aol.com (BILLMILOSZ@aol.com)
Date: Mon Aug 8 13:33:20 2005
Subject: [joe-frank-list] Music royalties & Wiretap
Message-ID: <d1.2e69a8d2.30291b86@aol.com>
NPR and the smaller NFCB (Nat'l Federation of Community Broadcasters,
typically consisting of non-NPR public stations) all have "blanket" agreements
with ASCAP & etc., the stations usually pay some kind of flat fee to the
appropriate association and the association then pays ASCAP or whoever is handling the
aggregated intellectual property rights of the composers, performers and
record labels. In theory, ASCAP then pays out to the artists, labels, etc.,
according to some kind of formula.
SO, since 95% of Joe's work was original al done for NPR, or NPR affiliate
KCRW, the various blanket agreements in place should have eliminated Joe's need
to pay any royalties.
As regards his web site, streaming audio "stations" are supposed to pay fees
- although Joe's site might fall below a threshold of some kind, his site is
"on demand" and so maybe there are only a few - maybe 10 or 20 - "songs" that
get played per day, I don't know Joe's web stats but I can't imagine it's a
huge volume.
For CDs purchased from Joe, I'm sure he's supposed to pay royalties but again
the volume is low, and the royalty would amount to 20 cents per CD or
something like that, maybe Joe figure is ASCAP or BMI really want to sue him for the
total of $129.42 they're owed over the years, they can go right ahead.....
ASCAP's lawyers probably charge $500 an hour, so there's a "point of diminishing
returns" in terms of using civil courts to collect fees. This differs, by
the way, from "cyber piracy" where criminal law is used to punish a certain
number of "downloaders" to serve as examples so that the P2P community quakes in
it's boots and stops downloading MP3's for free (like THAT'S ever gonna happen)
If Joe is using other people's works in his live performance, they are
supposed to be paid royalties unless the performance is FREE. Who actually pays the
royalties at performances-probably the producer of the "show" - For example,
Third Coast Audio Festival, Inc. should have paid a few bucks to ASCAP when
Joe performed for them in Chicago.
HOWEVER if, as Joe was producing these things, he wrote the artists or
copyright holders - and obtained their permission for use of their work in his
pieces, then all of this is moot. My guess he didn't / doesn't have sufficient
staff to track down the rightsholders and handle the correspondence, which might
sometimes require an attorney to draw up a contract etc. I bet he just
originally relied on the right KCRW has to play stuff on the air, based on their
agreement with ASCAP.
In your case, if you are producing material for a local NPR or NFCB station,
then talk to the station management and see what they say about the issue. If
you are just producing it on your own with hopes of selling ti online or
streaming it or of giving it to some station down the road, you might be best off
to try and contact the artists and try to get permission to use the stuff, or
take your chances that they won't sue you to recover $5. If you don't have
rights secured, you may find it hard to get the work played on air, it depends
on the station.
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From shiro at uclink4.berkeley.edu Mon Aug 8 13:50:42 2005
From: shiro at uclink4.berkeley.edu (Erik Shirokoff)
Date: Mon Aug 8 13:51:25 2005
Subject: [joe-frank-list] Music royalties & Wiretap
In-Reply-To: <BAY103-F20FF438613FA86CA188CA9ACB80@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY103-F20FF438613FA86CA188CA9ACB80@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <20050808205042.GA4487@jabberwock.hopto.org>
Hi Matt,
If you find out anything interesting about copyright law and the music used in audio collage, I'd be quite interested to hear it.
I was under the impression that, at least in the U.S., most public radio stations pay annual licensing fees to ascap/bmi or other music industry associations for blanket published audio licenses. So, if you make it on the radio, you're probably covered even if you can't claim fair use.
If you publish it yourself, then it's less clear (at least to me.) I remember reading that transom.org pays ascap online-broadcast fees to cover their work. Whether that's really necessary or just a precaution against unreasonable lawsuits, I don't know. For making demo tapes you could always try to use creative commons licensed music (for example, stuff from magnatune.com). You couldn't sell CD's of the stuff, but you could at least give them away without worry.
A few possibly useful references:
Stanford's fair use and copyright law archive:
http://fairuse.stanford.edu/
negativland's copyright stuff:
http://www.negativland.com/intprop.html
Best of luck with the audio work. Don't forget to give us a link when there's some audio available.
P.S. I agree with your take on Jonathan Goldstein. I've always found his contributions to This American Life irritating. I'd put him in the category of annoying, passionless narcissists occupied by Woody Allen and Spalding Gray - people who really ought to be paying the audience to see their work rather than the other way around. (Which perhaps says something about the correlation between my own tastes and qualities that lead to commercial success.) That said, I haven't heard Wiretap yet, so perhaps he's put together something more interesting than his past fare.
- Erik
On Mon, Aug 08, 2005 at 02:02:05PM +0000, Matthew Shepherd wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
> I'm currently working on my own Joe Frank Cough Rip-Off Cough Tribute
> project. Basically heisting his monologue-and-intervew-over-ambience
> format. Hopefully with enough of a unique and personal spin to make it more
> than just Joe Frank Lite, but at least I'm being honest with myself: I'm
> starting by emulating an artist I deeply admire, and hopefully my own voice
> will grow from there. Like Bill Sienkiewicz starting as a lesser Neal
> Adams clone, if you're into comics.
>
> I am curious, however, about whether Joe or KCRW ever had to pay royalties
> on the background music used in Joe projects. It's copyrighted stuff,
> obviously, and radio can be pretty loosey-goosey about how royalties and
> "fair use" works. I'm hoping to work with some local musicians on this
> project, side-stepping the problem altogether, but it would be good to know
> how this stuff works. I'm in Canada, if that makes a difference.
>
> Also: Joe Frank fans might get a charge out of Wiretap, on CBC radio. It's
> kind of crushing for me to listen to, because I've been developing this
> project for several years and then Wiretap turned up just when I was
> prepping a CBC pitch, basically occupying the Joe Frank wannabe position.
> I'm not a huge fan -- I find the host ridiculously self-absorbed, and all
> the worse for making fun of being self-absorbed but doing so in a very "ha
> ha I'm looking at myself critically aren't I clever and post-modern" sort
> of way. Recently, he's been doing his own versions of bible stories.
>
> It's hard to say whether this is an intentional Joe Frank rip-off or just
> somebody thinking they're brilliantly original 20 years after the fact; Joe
> Frank has certainly never been mentioned on the show to my knowledge. But
> Frank fans might get a charge out of it. I'm still a little sour grapey
> about the whole thing, so I think that's jaundiced my ear a bit.
>
> - Matt
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Joe Frank Mailing List
> joe-frank-list@armory.com
> http://www.armory.com/mailman/listinfo.cgi/joe-frank-list
From quickcreature at sbcglobal.net Tue Aug 9 15:46:41 2005
From: quickcreature at sbcglobal.net (Rick Cisnero)
Date: Tue Aug 9 15:46:52 2005
Subject: [joe-frank-list] PLEASE UNSUBSCRIBE Re: joe-frank-list Digest,
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> 1. RE: After Hours (Eric Pierce)
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> 3. Re: After Hours (Levent)
> 4. Re: After Hours (Larry Dunn)
> 5. Re: After Hours (Peisithanatos@aol.com)
> 6. Fish Burglars??? (Peisithanatos@aol.com)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2005 19:06:41 -0400
> From: "Eric Pierce" <epierce@rcn.com>
> Subject: RE: [joe-frank-list] After Hours
> To: "Joe Frank Mailing List" <joe-frank-list@armory.com>
> Message-ID: <JAEOLJLBCFNFNOOAMDDFMEJKDJAA.epierce@rcn.com>
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>
>
> Harold, all,
>
> I have my doubts about this Joseph Minion = Joe Frank theory.
>
>> From what I can tell Joseph Minion made an appearance at the Nantucket
>> Film
> Festival in June 1999 with the showing of the film "On the Run" that he
> is
> credited with screenwriting. Here's an interesting quote from an
> article I
> found online.
>
> "However, there were some hard lessons to learn from many of the other
> screenwriters in attendance. Though most writers answered audience
> questions
> after the screenings of their films, one in particular, Joseph Minion
> (On
> the Run) had relatively little to offer. Minion wrote the screenplay at
> the
> request of the director, and he had little to no involvement in the
> production, as is most often the case in modern feature filmmaking. And
> perhaps unknowingly, Minion did provide the audience with the cold hard
> truth that the screenwriter's role and responsibility in the filmmaking
> effort is often minimal at best." -- Excerpt from
> http://www.insidefilm.com/nantucket.html
>
> Also, IMDB has Joeseph Minion listed as being born in 1957. Joe Frank
> is
> quite a bit older than that.
>
> - Eric
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: joe-frank-list-bounces@armory.com
>> [mailto:joe-frank-list-bounces@armory.com]On Behalf Of Harold Johnson
>> Sent: Friday, July 29, 2005 2:19 PM
>> To: Joe Frank Mailing List
>> Subject: Re: [joe-frank-list] After Hours
>>
>>
>> So (and my apologies if anyone else has already asked this question),
>> is Joseph Minion A.K.A. Joe Frank?
>>
>> Harold J. Johnson
>> http://somethingthathappened.com
>>
>> On 7/23/05, bewareofdog@mac.com <bewareofdog@mac.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> Alright, I'm probably in the dark, so to speak when it comes to this
>>> one... but the screenwriter on the 1985 Scorsese flick "After Hours"
>>> is credited to one Joseph Minion...
>> _______________________________________________
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>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2005 19:15:46 EDT
> From: Peisithanatos@aol.com
> Subject: Re: [joe-frank-list] After Hours
> To: joe-frank-list@armory.com
> Message-ID: <e3.18972f96.301eb5a2@aol.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
> Joseph Minion is not Joe Frank....
>
> Just as Catherine Zeta Jones is not Kate....
>
> Our imaginations are simply overactive, that's all; we discover a
> perplexing
> enigma of sorts, and our brains scramble to rationalize it in some
> seemingly
> logical way (which, 9 times out of 10, leads us to concocting all sorts
> of
> ridiculous scenarios). We need to let go of that compulsion and enjoy
> works of
> art for what they are without scrambling so desperately to
> rationalize/solve
> ever little detail/puzzle surrounding them. Scholars are still
> debating over who
> wrote the works of Shakespeare (Edward De Vere? Francis Bacon?
> Christopher
> Marlowe? Mary Sidney Herbert? A combination of the four???), whether
> F'Ugly
> Th3 Klown is, in fact Andy Kaufman (who faked his death, don't you
> know?) or a
> collection of other comedians & hotshot hollywood actors working in
> cahoots,
> whether Thomas Pynchon is actually Wanda Tinasky who is actually J.D.
> Salinger
> who was, actually, a former CIA agent before he passed away & was
> replaced by
> a new literary figure (J.D. Salinger Deux) enshrouded with mystery,
> etc....
>
> All I'm saying is, you can speculate & debate & rack your brains &
> ponder
> away about all of these things 'till the cows come home... but there
> many ways in
> which you could idle away your time far more productively.
>
> In my mind, Joe (Frank, that is!) has already explained this whole
> situation
> in great detail, and, until he steps forward to change his tune, I have
> no
> reason to doubt that everything he said about this entire ordeal is
> pure truth.
>
> This is Joe Frank we're talking about here. As much as people like to
> play
> up the surreal/absurd aspects of the man's canon, his work is also
> unflinchingly truthful & autobiographical.
>
> A few more things to consider: 1.) Joe Frank is nearly 20 years older
> than
> Joseph Minion (according to the IMDB, which lists Minion's birthyear as
> 1957).
> Of course, I'm sure some of you will come forth to say, "No! When Joe
> Frank
> devised the alter-ego of "Joseph Minion" he also concoted a fake birth
> certificate & birth-year, so as to fool even the most clever of curious
> cats!" (if you
> wanna believe that, more power to ya!). 2.) Usually people use a
> pseudonym if
> either they're not proud of a particular work or simply don't want it
> to be
> associated with their real name. Joe (Frank!), however, has not only
> proudly
> used the material that Minion lifted to write "After Hours" -- in his
> original
> program, "Lies" -- but has also called Minion out on his literary theft
> (not
> by name, of course) & discussed the entire situation in "No Show"
> (which I
> still have, on cassette, in its entirety).
>
> But I guess the debate shall continue to bubble on until somebody (Joe
> Frank
> Team? Larry Block [whose appearance in this film is really what's been
> fuelling the notion that Joseph Minion might, in fact, be Joe Frank]?)
> steps forward
> to shed more light on this issue.....
> Hegesias
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> Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2005 18:00:18 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Levent <ghastly_fop@yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [joe-frank-list] After Hours
> To: Joe Frank Mailing List <joe-frank-list@armory.com>
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> I'm with you. A bit of cursory googling reveals that
> Joe Minion really is just a middling screenwriter (and
> current film instructor?) I just find it breathtaking
> that the "After Hours" experience didn't find him
> permanently blacklisted in the film industry.
> It's just too bad (and good for Minion, I guess) that
> more people don't know about it. What a weasel.
>
>
> --- Peisithanatos@aol.com wrote:
>
>> Joseph Minion is not Joe Frank....
>>
>> Just as Catherine Zeta Jones is not Kate....
>>
>> Our imaginations are simply overactive, that's all;
>> we discover a perplexing
>> enigma of sorts, and our brains scramble to
>> rationalize it in some seemingly
>> logical way (which, 9 times out of 10, leads us to
>> concocting all sorts of
>> ridiculous scenarios). We need to let go of that
>> compulsion and enjoy works of
>> art for what they are without scrambling so
>> desperately to rationalize/solve
>> ever little detail/puzzle surrounding them.
>> Scholars are still debating over who
>> wrote the works of Shakespeare (Edward De Vere?
>> Francis Bacon? Christopher
>> Marlowe? Mary Sidney Herbert? A combination of the
>> four???), whether F'Ugly
>> Th3 Klown is, in fact Andy Kaufman (who faked his
>> death, don't you know?) or a
>> collection of other comedians & hotshot hollywood
>> actors working in cahoots,
>> whether Thomas Pynchon is actually Wanda Tinasky who
>> is actually J.D. Salinger
>> who was, actually, a former CIA agent before he
>> passed away & was replaced by
>> a new literary figure (J.D. Salinger Deux)
>> enshrouded with mystery, etc....
>>
>> All I'm saying is, you can speculate & debate & rack
>> your brains & ponder
>> away about all of these things 'till the cows come
>> home... but there many ways in
>> which you could idle away your time far more
>> productively.
>>
>> In my mind, Joe (Frank, that is!) has already
>> explained this whole situation
>> in great detail, and, until he steps forward to
>> change his tune, I have no
>> reason to doubt that everything he said about this
>> entire ordeal is pure truth.
>>
>> This is Joe Frank we're talking about here. As much
>> as people like to play
>> up the surreal/absurd aspects of the man's canon,
>> his work is also
>> unflinchingly truthful & autobiographical.
>>
>> A few more things to consider: 1.) Joe Frank is
>> nearly 20 years older than
>> Joseph Minion (according to the IMDB, which lists
>> Minion's birthyear as 1957).
>> Of course, I'm sure some of you will come forth to
>> say, "No! When Joe Frank
>> devised the alter-ego of "Joseph Minion" he also
>> concoted a fake birth
>> certificate & birth-year, so as to fool even the
>> most clever of curious cats!" (if you
>> wanna believe that, more power to ya!). 2.) Usually
>> people use a pseudonym if
>> either they're not proud of a particular work or
>> simply don't want it to be
>> associated with their real name. Joe (Frank!),
>> however, has not only proudly
>> used the material that Minion lifted to write "After
>> Hours" -- in his original
>> program, "Lies" -- but has also called Minion out on
>> his literary theft (not
>> by name, of course) & discussed the entire situation
>> in "No Show" (which I
>> still have, on cassette, in its entirety).
>>
>> But I guess the debate shall continue to bubble on
>> until somebody (Joe Frank
>> Team? Larry Block [whose appearance in this film is
>> really what's been
>> fuelling the notion that Joseph Minion might, in
>> fact, be Joe Frank]?) steps forward
>> to shed more light on this issue.....
>> Hegesias
>>> _______________________________________________
>> Joe Frank Mailing List
>> joe-frank-list@armory.com
>>
> http://www.armory.com/mailman/listinfo.cgi/joe-frank-list
>>
>
>
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> Message: 4
> Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2005 18:34:28 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Larry Dunn <majestic_cheese@yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [joe-frank-list] After Hours
> To: joe-frank-list@armory.com
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> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
>
> From: Harold Johnson <harold.johnson@gmail.com>
>
>> Yes, but perhaps that's nonsense - perhaps he never
>> actually sued
>> anyone. Perhaps it was simply a narrative, part of
>> Joe's insatiable
>> desire to reveal his alter ego, a screenwriter whose
>> name is derived
>> from both the Judaist sense of "minion" and the more
>> commonly-known
>> sense of the term...
>
> Joseph Minion has written *five* films, and *directed*
> two others.
>
> I put it to you that it's just a bit of a stretch to
> believe that Joe Frank has played word games with an
> ongoing Hollywood career for "Judaist" purposes,
> n'est-ce pas? And to add to the drama, somehow
> concocted a law suit as some sort of performance art.
>
> Isn't it also a bit of a stretch to think that in LA
> -- where Joe Frank had a renowned radio show, and
> Joseph Minion writes and directs -- it wouldn't be
> widely known that JF is working in Hollywood,
> flamboyantly masquerading as "Joseph Minion?"
>
>
>
> ____________________________________________________
> Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page
> http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 5
> Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2005 05:40:38 EDT
> From: Peisithanatos@aol.com
> Subject: Re: [joe-frank-list] After Hours
> To: joe-frank-list@armory.com
> Message-ID: <c1.5d5bfeb8.301f4816@aol.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
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> Will the real "Joseph Minion" please stand up?
>
>
> http://www.indiewire.com/people/int_Minion_Joseph_980921.html
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> From: Peisithanatos@aol.com
> Subject: [joe-frank-list] Fish Burglars???
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> Awww! This is such a great photograph! Has anybody seen this film?
>
> http://www.fishburglars.com/joe_pop.html
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From sarah at morrill.org Tue Aug 9 20:45:12 2005
From: sarah at morrill.org (Sarah Morrill)
Date: Tue Aug 9 20:45:39 2005
Subject: [joe-frank-list] David Franks
Message-ID: <42F97848.1060103@morrill.org>
Some of Joe's most fascinating stuff comes from the reclusive composer,
poet, dadaist David Franks.
I've always wanted to know the story behind the phone calls in Prayer
and Hotline.
Nobody at joefrank.com was able to give me any information.
Fortunately, I've been able to track down somebody who has been working
with David Franks and he told me about an interview he gave recently for
WYPR. In that interview he talks a little about Alice and the fact he
once worked for one of those psychic hotlines.
You can hear the interview at
http://publicbroadcasting.net/wypr/arts.artsmain?action=viewArticle&pid=347&sid=9&id=780154
The interview answered a lot of questions for me, but something I'd
still like to know is if Franks simply mailed the tapes to Joe Frank or
if they collaborated somehow.
From Peisithanatos at aol.com Wed Aug 10 00:15:31 2005
From: Peisithanatos at aol.com (Peisithanatos@aol.com)
Date: Wed Aug 10 00:15:49 2005
Subject: [joe-frank-list] PLEASE UNSUBSCRIBE Re: joe-frank-list Digest,
Vol 26, Is...
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... was it something we said?
Hegesias
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From harold.johnson at gmail.com Mon Aug 15 13:46:46 2005
From: harold.johnson at gmail.com (Harold Johnson)
Date: Mon Aug 15 13:46:49 2005
Subject: [joe-frank-list] Re: After Hours
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On 7/31/05, Eric Pierce <epierce@rcn.com> wrote:
>
> Harold, all,
> Also, IMDB has Joeseph Minion listed as being born in 1957. Joe Frank is
> quite a bit older than that.
Yes, Eric, but have you overlooked the possibility that Minion wasn't
"born" until Joe (Frank) conceived of him? Also, it's not that
difficult to add a false identity to the IMDB, I think...
Harold J. Johnson
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From majestic_cheese at yahoo.com Tue Aug 16 17:10:52 2005
From: majestic_cheese at yahoo.com (Larry Dunn)
Date: Tue Aug 16 17:10:58 2005
Subject: [joe-frank-list] Re: minion thread
In-Reply-To: <200508161200.ac19067@deepthought.armory.com>
Message-ID: <20050817001053.53915.qmail@web30008.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
> From: Harold Johnson <harold.johnson@gmail.com>
> > Also, IMDB has Joeseph Minion listed as being born
> in 1957. Joe Frank is
> > quite a bit older than that.
>
> Yes, Eric, but have you overlooked the possibility
> that Minion wasn't
> "born" until Joe (Frank) conceived of him? Also,
> it's not that
> difficult to add a false identity to the IMDB, I
> think...
This brand of deduction has got me thinking ... notice
how you never see Joe and Elvis in the same room
together? I put it to you that Elvis "died" in 1977,
around the time Joe started his career as a radio
monologist.
And the wikipedia listing for Joe also notes that he
was first asked to help form a minyan in 1957. (Rubs
chin.) And as we all know, the first draft of
"Jailhouse Rock" was really titled "Jew'll Halakha,"
but that was considered to be too ethnic a title.
So there you have it -- Joe Minion isn't Joe Frank --
he's actually Elvis Presley.
By the way, does anyone out there know how Joe is
holding up under the dialysis regimen?
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