[joe-frank-list] Re: Joe Frank heard on the radio in Chicago 24 hours a day

Tony Natsoulas natsoulas at yahoo.com
Sun Oct 31 09:10:48 PST 2004

I am sorry to be so forward, but not having a studio
is no excuse. My friend produces professional
commercials at home with his computer and professional
microphone. He says it is a better quality and easier
than the old days in a real studio. Also, I have been
an artist for years and even in the lean time I have
produce art. If you are an artist you have to make
stuff. I think something else is happening other then
what you mentioned.

--- BILLMILOSZ at aol.com wrote:

> In a message dated 10/30/2004 4:49:28 AM Central
> Daylight Time, 
> MarkwP3096 at aol.com writes:
> > If you like the guy's work, be prepared to pay for
> it. Everyone's got to 
> > eat.
> Absolutely.
> As far as the comment on "This subscription
> plan is another way to extract a little more cash
> from his
> ageing fan base"
> This sounds like there's an assumption, on the part
> of the guy who wrote 
> that, that Joe made PILES of money in his "salad
> days"- whoever thinks this has 
> not worked in Public Radio, or in the creative arts
> in any way.  NOBODY in 
> Public Radio makes any money! People in public radio
> are either volunteers, 
> hardscrabble independent producers, or low-paid
> staff, aside from a few bigshots at 
> NPR in Washington, DC, and some top management at
> the bigger NPR stations, who 
> get salaries above $50,000. The average Starbucks
> worker gets more salary and 
> better benefits than the guys behind the microphones
> at your local NPR 
> station. I worked in public radio for 13 years, and
> income of $20,000 (in 2004 
> dollars) for the producer of a program carried by
> the network was considered "the 
> big time."
> As far as Joe being in a "Dry Spell" it's really
> nothing to do with his 
> creativity or output- it's a lack of SUPPORT.  When
> he was at KCRW they provided 
> studio facilities which otherwise run $50~$100 an
> hour- and the general rule is 
> that for every hour of material you hear on the
> radio there's 10-20 hours of 
> studio work involved. I suspect with Joe it was more
> like 50 hours of studio 
> and editing time for each hour aired.  Then, too,
> Joe had engineering help, 
> typically an audio engineer adds $10-$30 an hour on
> top of studio costs, then 
> there's acting talent like Larry Block, they have to
> be paid perhaps a few hundred 
> dollars per segment, and so on.  Joe also had
> financial support from a number 
> of foundations such as the NEA, the Guggenheim
> Foundation, and so on.  Most 
> of that money has dried up in general, foundation
> money available to support 
> arts of all kinds has declined sharply over the past
> 20 years.
> Remember, when you see someone on TV there are
> commercial sponsors of the TV 
> shows and so talent, producers and other staff of
> popular programs like "The 
> Apprentice" share MILLIONS of dollars from the
> network because the sponsors 
> -Coca Cola, Ford, etc., -- pay MILLIONS to run
> commercials during popular 
> programs.  A program like "Somewhere Out There" may
> have been available to tens of 
> millions of listeners, but National Public Radio
> doesn't have even 1% of the 
> money flowing through NBC.  
> So Joe has NEVER "raked it in."  And now, since KCRW
> pulled the plug (so it 
> seems) on anything creative that is REMOTELY
> controversial, I suspect that Joe 
> is hard pressed to pay his bills.  He does
> voice-over work (I've heard him on 
> Discovery Channel docutainment) and so on, which I'm
> sure is how he makes ends 
> meet.  His work is carried by a number of public
> stations, and the Joe Frank 
> operation probably gets a few thousand dollars a
> year from that.  It's not 
> NEARLY enough support to have the full-time audio
> production operation going that 
> would be needed to produce a new program each week,
> like in the old days.
> So, he's not "going dry"- he's been CAST ADRIFT, the
> minimal support that 
> used to be offered to this important artist has been
> For anyone to think that a wealthy Joe Frank is
> trying to "squeeze a few more 
> dollars" from his "fans" is really not in touch with
> the bleak financial 
> reality of life in creative radio and the arts.
> > _______________________________________________
> Joe Frank Mailing List
> joe-frank-list at armory.com

Tony and Donna Natsoulas natsoulas at yahoo.com Webpage:http://www.tonynatsoulas.com

Do you Yahoo!?
Read only the mail you want - Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard.

More information about the joe-frank-list mailing list