[joe-frank-list] Re: make Joe's radio public

[Jonathan McIntyre]

yeah, me to.

thanks.)


Matthew Hawco <jump_monk at hotmail.com> wrote:

>hello
>
>that's good..
>
>send a copy here please :)
>
>
>matt
>
>>From: Erik Shirokoff <shiro at uclink4.berkeley.edu>
>>Reply-To: Joe Frank Mailing List <joe-frank-list at armory.com>
>>To: Joe Frank Mailing List <joe-frank-list at armory.com>
>>Subject: Re: [joe-frank-list] Re: make Joe's radio public
>>Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 01:34:01 -0700
>>
>>
>>The article seems to have disappeared completely from the web site.
>>
>>I've got a copy of the page from 2004-05-01.  If anyone wants it, let me 
>>know.  I'm not posting it to the list just in case Joe has a compelling 
>>reason to want it gone.
>>
>>You could make the case that by posting something online one is inviting 
>>its eternal public survival, and I'd happily agree demanding that people 
>>not post archives of a web site is unreasonable.  At the same time, if Joe 
>>wants the page eliminated, I'm not inclined to annoy him by adding a copy 
>>to the mailing list archive for all eternity.  It would certainly piss me 
>>off if a fan made copies of everything I wrote online and reposted it years 
>>later.  (There are certainly benefits to working in a field which doesn't 
>>generate fans.)
>>
>>
>>- Erik
>>
>>
>>
>>On Thu, Oct 28, 2004 at 11:24:16PM -0700, Beau Gunderson wrote:
>> > Tried in vain to find the article on joefrank.com about him getting 
>>fired
>> > (it was more about the other woman fired by Seymour but it was pretty
>> > informative) but it's not there anymore! I even checked the Wayback 
>>machine
>> > but it wasn't on there either. I remember it being linked from the front
>> > page, anybody else know what I'm talking about?
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >   _____
>> >
>> > From: joe-frank-list-bounces at armory.com
>> > [mailto:joe-frank-list-bounces at armory.com] On Behalf Of 
>>BILLMILOSZ at aol.com
>> > Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2004 11:09 PM
>> > To: joe-frank-list at armory.com
>> > Subject: Re: [joe-frank-list] Re: make Joe's radio public
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > To fsedghip at yahoo.ca -  you raised some very interesting ideas, I found 
>>your
>> > post thought-provoking. Obviously you took some time putting that 
>>together.
>> >
>> > As I consider the issues you raised, many of which impact all of us as
>> > consumers of electronic "art"  (music, film, literature, etc.) I want to
>> > make a few observations.
>> >
>> > You mention ThisLife.Org  - Ira Glass's THIS AMERICAN LIFE program which 
>>is
>> > carried on NPR and originates at WBEZ in Chicago.  There is an exact
>> > parallel here, Joe Frank used to have a radio "home" at KCRW in Santa
>> > Monica, and they supported him with some money, maybe some 
>>administrative
>> > help and also provided a studio and gear, etc.  But Joe and KCRW had 
>>some
>> > kind of falling out, if not a falling out then at least a parting of the
>> > ways.  I'm not sure what it was all about, except I know Joe is unhappy
>> > about something which he may have experienced as betrayal or some other
>> > negative action by KCRW or it's management.  I can't find any info about 
>>it,
>> > all I've heard / read /seen from Joe on the issue is, "Oh, let's not go 
>>into
>> > that, let's just move on."  I don't know what went wrong, but KCRW DOES 
>>seem
>> > to have retreated from any position of leadership they may have had in 
>>terms
>> > of free speech and the arts, and they seem to be getting more 
>>conservative.
>> > Maybe it's all that money- I've read that KCRW raises more $$$ than any
>> > other NPR affiliate.
>> >
>> > In any event, Joe Frank doesn't have a "patron" in the same way that Ira
>> > Glass does at WBEZ, so he can't offer all his stuff for free.  It USED 
>>to be
>> > online for free at KCRW, but those days have passed. (Maybe Ira Glass 
>>should
>> > pay some royalties to Joe, after all he learned his craft as an intern 
>>on
>> > Joe's show-  some of the This American Life programs even use some of 
>>the
>> > same music used in Joe Frank programs.....  but actually I doubt if Ira
>> > Glass & CO have money laying around in great heaps.)
>> >
>> > Maybe we all need to writing our congressmen to have Joe declared a 
>>living
>> > national treasure and have his work supported by a lifetime federal 
>>stipend
>> > or something, but you know all that security might take the edge off his
>> > work. ;-)
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
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