From uhohjf at yahoo.com Wed Jun 4 01:25:15 2003 From: uhohjf at yahoo.com (B. Thong) Date: Wed Jun 4 00:29:48 2003 Subject: [joe-frank-list] KPFA interview avail NOW Message-ID: <20030604072515.69662.qmail@web41204.mail.yahoo.com> Time to jam the lines. The KPFA interview with Susan Stone on May 18, 2003 is now avail at joefrank.com. I just checked. Hope all is well in the world where you're at. Bob "Dave Allen at Large" means anything to you? Email me. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). http://calendar.yahoo.com From billydavis at oneswellillustrator.com Wed Jun 4 11:55:04 2003 From: billydavis at oneswellillustrator.com (Billy Davis) Date: Wed Jun 4 07:55:20 2003 Subject: [joe-frank-list] KPFA interview avail NOW In-Reply-To: <20030604072515.69662.qmail@web41204.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <86A59554-969C-11D7-BA19-000393814C00@oneswellillustrator.com> He was that crude English guy with a missing finger who did a lot of Pope jokes? On Wednesday, June 4, 2003, at 03:25 AM, B. Thong wrote: > "Dave Allen at Large" means anything to you? Email me. Billy Davis one swell illustrator v 407 841 6301 f 407 841 6996 billydavis@oneswellillustrator.com http://www.oneswellillustrator.com -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: text/enriched Size: 427 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://deepthought.armory.com/pipermail/joe-frank-list/attachments/20030604/2a58e12a/attachment.bin From uhohjf at yahoo.com Wed Jun 4 19:20:36 2003 From: uhohjf at yahoo.com (B. Thong) Date: Wed Jun 4 18:20:37 2003 Subject: [joe-frank-list] KPFA interview avail NOW In-Reply-To: <86A59554-969C-11D7-BA19-000393814C00@oneswellillustrator.com> Message-ID: <20030605012036.69998.qmail@web41211.mail.yahoo.com> THat's correct! You wouldn't happen to have taped some of his ealier works would you? I've searched and surfed online until I've almost reached the next shore, but to no avail. Thanks for responding. Bob --- Billy Davis wrote: > He was that crude English guy with a missing finger who did a lot of > Pope jokes? > > On Wednesday, June 4, 2003, at 03:25 AM, B. Thong wrote: > > > "Dave Allen at Large" means anything to you? Email me. > Billy Davis > one swell illustrator > v 407 841 6301 > f 407 841 6996 > billydavis@oneswellillustrator.com > http://www.oneswellillustrator.com > > > _______________________________________________ > Joe Frank Mailing List > joe-frank-list@joefrank.net > http://www.armory.com/mailman/listinfo.cgi/joe-frank-list > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). http://calendar.yahoo.com From suricatta at rcn.com Sun Jun 8 15:48:46 2003 From: suricatta at rcn.com (suricata.suricatta) Date: Sun Jun 8 12:18:53 2003 Subject: [joe-frank-list] Plerophory of Pain Message-ID: Wow. Joe is publishing a new, never-aired show on his web-site. More Larry Block stuff I guess. It's great to see him finally publishing new stuff! This is pretty weird huh? We've never had to pay money for Joe's stuff before. Now that Joe is discouraging MP3 sharing it looks like we are all going to have to buy our own copies. I feel compelled to buy it of course. It's like an addiction... If I do buy it I will write a review of it for the rest of you. I want to buy at least 10 of his CDs before the 10% off and free shipping deal ends in less than a week anyway. Guess I'm gonna have to take the plunge. I wish they at least took Paypal though. Sending a check/MO through snail mail is such a PITA. From rholland356 at yahoo.com Sun Jun 8 15:09:25 2003 From: rholland356 at yahoo.com (Robert Holland) Date: Sun Jun 8 14:09:35 2003 Subject: [joe-frank-list] Plerophory of Pain In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20030608210925.76576.qmail@web13806.mail.yahoo.com> Wouldn't it be cool if we could purchase these shows in MP3 format on CD, or in .WAV format on DVD? Maybe a season of shows for a C-note? I would like to have more than one show on a disk. Why? Because one reason for converting my CD collection to MP3 is that I can put away in deep storage the original disks, which always made for lousy room accessories. Robert --- "suricata.suricatta" wrote: > Wow. Joe is publishing a new, never-aired show on > his web-site. More Larry Block stuff I guess. It's > great to see him finally publishing new stuff! > > This is pretty weird huh? We've never had to pay > money for Joe's stuff before. Now that Joe is > discouraging MP3 sharing it looks like we are all > going to have to buy our own copies. I feel > compelled to buy it of course. It's like an > addiction... > > If I do buy it I will write a review of it for the > rest of you. > > I want to buy at least 10 of his CDs before the 10% > off and free shipping deal ends in less than a week > anyway. Guess I'm gonna have to take the plunge. I > wish they at least took Paypal though. Sending a > check/MO through snail mail is such a PITA. > > _______________________________________________ > Joe Frank Mailing List > joe-frank-list@joefrank.net > http://www.armory.com/mailman/listinfo.cgi/joe-frank-list ===== Robert Holland rholland356@yahoo.com 408.422.0652 cell __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). http://calendar.yahoo.com From suricatta at rcn.com Sun Jun 8 18:14:11 2003 From: suricatta at rcn.com (suricata.suricatta) Date: Sun Jun 8 14:44:16 2003 Subject: [joe-frank-list] Yet another format discussion Message-ID: >>Wouldn't it be cool if we could purchase these shows >>in MP3 format on CD I already have lots of Joe's work on MP3. It sounds horrible. That's what lossy compression does. It makes things small, but makes them sound horrible. I personally cannot imagine why he would want to sell his work in any kind of compressed format. If anything, he could consider selling it on SACD :). >>or in .WAV format on DVD? Yeah. That would be ok, I guess. Although he would have to decide how to group the 7 or so shows that would fit on a DVD. >>Maybe a >>season of shows for a C-note? LOL. Yeah, a season of shows for $100 would certainly be cheap. No question. I don't think Joe has any intention of selling his work so cheaply though. $2.00/show instead of $14.00/show would certainly be nice. At least for us. >>I would like to have more than one show on a disk. >>Why? Because one reason for converting my CD >>collection to MP3 is that I can put away in deep >>storage the original disks, which always made for >>lousy room accessories. You don't need to compress your music to store your CDs. Hard drive space is cheap these days. You can store them in WAV, APE, or FLAC formats with no reduction in quality. Just compress the shows yourself. From rholland356 at yahoo.com Sun Jun 8 20:27:24 2003 From: rholland356 at yahoo.com (Robert Holland) Date: Sun Jun 8 19:27:28 2003 Subject: [joe-frank-list] Yet another format discussion In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20030609022724.61873.qmail@web13808.mail.yahoo.com> My ears are not as discerning, and I find the Joe Frank I listen to on mp3 to be good enough for me. Modern car stereo and home DVD machines play MP3 nicely. As for cost, Joe saves replication and fulfillment costs if he sells collections of shows. Also, he's got to consider the competition, which, frankly, is his own web site, where shows stream for free. Since Joe's production costs were paid by public radio long ago, he can afford to produce low-cost collections. Essentially, it's almost all profit! So, yeah, a C-note for a collection of shows on DVD would be OK. A group of shows on CD in MP3 format for $25 or $35 would be better. Robert --- "suricata.suricatta" wrote: > >>Wouldn't it be cool if we could purchase these > shows > >>in MP3 format on CD > > I already have lots of Joe's work on MP3. It sounds > horrible. That's what lossy compression does. It > makes things small, but makes them sound horrible. I > personally cannot imagine why he would want to sell > his work in any kind of compressed format. If > anything, he could consider selling it on SACD :). > > >>or in .WAV format on DVD? > > Yeah. That would be ok, I guess. Although he would > have to decide how to group the 7 or so shows that > would fit on a DVD. > > >>Maybe a > >>season of shows for a C-note? > > LOL. Yeah, a season of shows for $100 would > certainly be cheap. No question. I don't think Joe > has any intention of selling his work so cheaply > though. $2.00/show instead of $14.00/show would > certainly be nice. At least for us. > > >>I would like to have more than one show on a disk. > >>Why? Because one reason for converting my CD > >>collection to MP3 is that I can put away in deep > >>storage the original disks, which always made for > >>lousy room accessories. > > You don't need to compress your music to store your > CDs. Hard drive space is cheap these days. You can > store them in WAV, APE, or FLAC formats with no > reduction in quality. Just compress the shows > yourself. > > _______________________________________________ > Joe Frank Mailing List > joe-frank-list@joefrank.net > http://www.armory.com/mailman/listinfo.cgi/joe-frank-list ===== Robert Holland rholland356@yahoo.com 408.422.0652 cell __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). http://calendar.yahoo.com From boojum at charter.net Sun Jun 8 20:50:15 2003 From: boojum at charter.net (Sandy Noyes) Date: Sun Jun 8 19:50:34 2003 Subject: [joe-frank-list] Yet another format discussion In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Sun, 8 Jun 2003 17:14:11 -0400, suricata.suricatta wrote: >I already have lots of Joe's work on MP3. It sounds horrible. That's what lossy compression does. It makes things small, but makes them sound horrible. A little off-topic, but MP3's are not inherently bad sounding. It depends on the sampling rate and format. "Help prevent inbreeding. Ban country music" Sandy Noyes 235 Rainbow Drive PMB 13579 Livingston, TX 77399-2035 boojum@escapees.com From BILLMILOSZ at aol.com Mon Jun 9 03:07:53 2003 From: BILLMILOSZ at aol.com (BILLMILOSZ@aol.com) Date: Sun Jun 8 23:07:59 2003 Subject: [joe-frank-list] Yet another format discussion Message-ID: <39.39a15de6.2c157e39@aol.com> In a message dated 6/8/2003 9:51:02 PM Central Daylight Time, boojum@charter.net writes: > A little off-topic, but MP3's are not inherently bad sounding. It > depends on the sampling rate and format. > Some people argue that all MP3's are unacceptable. MP3's ARE inherently lower-fidelity than non-compressed PCM formats, such as the format used on CDs. MP3 employs lossy compression by definition. No matter the bitrate, SOMETHING is lost. It's certainly true that a 128k rate MP3 sounds much better than a lower bitrate file, and - for example- it can be argued that a 128k MP3 sounds better than FM radio, which is band-limited by FCC regulation to 15 kHz on the top end and which in real-life situations seldom exceeds 50 dB S/N ratio. (Many 48k MP3 streams could arguably sound better than typical FM- depending on content, IMHO) The best sounding Joe Frank there is would be the CD's. This is a lossless transfer from digital masters- the only possible problems come from any downconversion from the original sample rate. (For example, many digital studio, like those using ProTools, often record at 96 KB/s rate and 24-bit depth. A CD is 44.1 KB/s and 16-bits deep. There are some maniacs who record at 192 KB/s.......) If the recording engineers know their craft, then they'll choose parameters for downconversion that will preserve all that is possible so that the 44.1 KB/s 16 bit CD will be really very close to original digital studio work. (It's also possible that the original recordings are made at 44.1 KB/s 16-bit but that's unlikely these days, most recording studios work at high bitrates which gives them more room to manipulate the sound without degrading it.) I can certainly hear the difference on my computer speakers between a 44.1 / 16 uncompressed PCM file and a 128k MP3 made from that source. The MP3 encoding process introduces a certain amount of artifact into the sound. You can easily hear it if you know what to listen to. Still, a 128k MP3 sounds pretty good, compared to cassette or most FM. But next to a CD there really is a difference. And who knows maybe Joe Frank will someday be available on SACD or DVD-A..... -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://deepthought.armory.com/pipermail/joe-frank-list/attachments/20030609/c54d3cdf/attachment.htm From boojum at charter.net Mon Jun 9 03:57:12 2003 From: boojum at charter.net (Sandy Noyes) Date: Mon Jun 9 02:57:23 2003 Subject: [joe-frank-list] Yet another format discussion In-Reply-To: <39.39a15de6.2c157e39@aol.com> Message-ID: Speculation is fine, but have you ABX'ed 192K VBR JS MP3's against anything? --Original Message Text--- From: BILLMILOSZ@aol.com Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2003 02:07:53 EDT I can certainly hear the difference on my computer speakers between a 44.1 / 16 uncompressed PCM file and a 128k MP3 made from that source. The MP3 encoding process introduces a certain amount of artifact into the sound. You can easily hear it if you know what to listen to. Still, a 128k MP3 sounds pretty good, compared to cassette or most FM. But next to a CD there really is a difference. "Help prevent inbreeding. Ban country music" Sandy Noyes 235 Rainbow Drive PMB 13579 Livingston, TX 77399-2035 boojum@escapees.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://deepthought.armory.com/pipermail/joe-frank-list/attachments/20030609/1812022a/attachment.htm From mouse at mousetrap.net Mon Jun 9 09:27:05 2003 From: mouse at mousetrap.net (jason carr) Date: Mon Jun 9 06:16:44 2003 Subject: [joe-frank-list] Yet another format discussion In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Sun, 8 Jun 2003, suricata.suricatta wrote: > Date: Sun, 8 Jun 2003 17:14:11 -0400 > From: suricata.suricatta > Reply-To: Joe Frank Mailing List > To: Joe Frank Mailing List > Subject: [joe-frank-list] Yet another format discussion > > >>Wouldn't it be cool if we could purchase these shows > >>in MP3 format on CD > > I already have lots of Joe's work on MP3. It sounds horrible. That's >what lossy compression does. It makes things small, but makes them >sound horrible. Horribleness is not a function of MP3 encoding, _per se_. Many of the JF MP3s in circulation were ripped from cassette and encoded poorly. The format itself is not to blame. >I personally cannot imagine why he would want to sell >his work in any kind of compressed format. If anything, he could >consider selling it on SACD :). Hmmm, takes about 90% less time to burn the same number of shows, uses 90% less plastic, costs a lot less to mail? Shall I go on? -- jason carr http://www.mousetrap.net/otr/ Old Time Radio trades http://greyhound.mousetrap.net/altus/ Altus, ex-racer From suricatta at rcn.com Tue Jun 10 19:35:37 2003 From: suricatta at rcn.com (suricata.suricatta) Date: Tue Jun 10 15:36:38 2003 Subject: [joe-frank-list] Yet another format discussion In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: >>Horribleness is not a function of MP3 encoding, _per se_. It absolutely is. >>Many of the JF MP3s in circulation were ripped from cassette and >>encoded poorly. ?The format itself is not to blame. There is nothing inherently wrong with ripping from cassette. The poor quality recordings were not suffering from tape hiss or any other obvious cassette induced analog problem. They were clearly suffering from "digititis". Anyone who has ever listened to very low bitrate compressed voice recordiings will probably know what I mean. Just before speech starts to become completely unintelligible, a robotic effect occurs. Transcoding is likely to produce a similar effect. I suspect that the worst MP3 files were a result of transcoding from a real audio stream to a relatively low bitrate MP3. Also, if you could describe an effective method of "encoding poorly" I would be grateful. Although I can use both Lame and Fraunhofer MP3 encoders to encode at virtually any bitrate, I don't currently know of any method, short of writing my own encoder, to "badly" encode an MP3 file. >>Hmmm, takes about 90% less time to burn the same number of shows, >>uses 90% less plastic, costs a lot less to mail? ?Shall I go on? While I suppose it does take less time to burn a CD-R, I do not believe that the plastic costs or mailing costs would change in any significant way. CD-Rs can often be purchased at 10 cents or less per disc, especially in large quanitities. Have we even established that he is using CD-Rs and not sending out pressed CDs? The weight and size difference between 1 CD and 10 CDs is negligable, although, admittedly the weight and size of the jewel cases does certainly increase. He charges extra for shipping in any case, so it is not likely that it is included in his pricing calculations. From suricatta at rcn.com Tue Jun 10 19:40:27 2003 From: suricatta at rcn.com (suricata.suricatta) Date: Tue Jun 10 15:41:27 2003 Subject: [joe-frank-list] Yet another format discussion In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: >>A little off-topic, but MP3's are not inherently bad sounding. ?It >>depends on the sampling rate and format. ? This is correct. a 1440 kbps MP3 file would be fine with me. Of course, it won't save any space, but it does show that it is not the type of compression that is the problem it is the lossy compression, or more to the point, the loss of sonic information, itself. From stanford at localblack.com Tue Jun 10 16:45:16 2003 From: stanford at localblack.com (Robert Stanford President) Date: Tue Jun 10 15:45:58 2003 Subject: [joe-frank-list] Yet another format discussion In-Reply-To: Message-ID: does anyone know how long it takes to get the cds once you order? -----Original Message----- From: joe-frank-list-bounces@armory.com [mailto:joe-frank-list-bounces@armory.com]On Behalf Of suricata.suricatta Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2003 3:40 PM To: Joe Frank Mailing List Subject: Re: [joe-frank-list] Yet another format discussion >>A little off-topic, but MP3's are not inherently bad sounding. ?It >>depends on the sampling rate and format. ? This is correct. a 1440 kbps MP3 file would be fine with me. Of course, it won't save any space, but it does show that it is not the type of compression that is the problem it is the lossy compression, or more to the point, the loss of sonic information, itself. _______________________________________________ Joe Frank Mailing List joe-frank-list@joefrank.net http://www.armory.com/mailman/listinfo.cgi/joe-frank-list From suricatta at rcn.com Tue Jun 10 19:56:23 2003 From: suricatta at rcn.com (suricata.suricatta) Date: Tue Jun 10 15:57:23 2003 Subject: [joe-frank-list] Yet another format discussion In-Reply-To: <39.39a15de6.2c157e39@aol.com> References: Message-ID: >>Speculation is fine, but have you ABX'ed 192K VBR >>JS MP3's against anything? *I* have. I have also directly compared Sony's much esteemed ATRAC compression format against the 44.1khz uncompressed DAT format. The difference, mainly a gigantic loss of high frequency detail is not subtle. I am willing to admit that you may not notice the difference unless you ABX them on sufficiently good audio equipment. I highly recommend that anyone listening to MP3s for their music also listen to an uncompressed version of the tracks on a sufficiently good audio system to hear how lossy compression sucks the life right out of the music, leaving just the bare skeleton of what some computer program decided was "enough". Voice is a bit different and much less sensitive, but Joe's programs are often a mix of voice and music. In any case, it is unlikely that anyone satisfied with the quality of a 128kbps or lower MP3 is going to bother spending the $14 for the CD when a 32kpbs RealAudio version is often available for free. Also, anyone who cannot hear the difference is free to compress the files themselves and leave those of us who can easily hear the difference the freedom to purchase the uncompressed audio. From joefrank at smog.net Wed Jun 11 02:32:48 2003 From: joefrank at smog.net (mjp) Date: Wed Jun 11 01:32:58 2003 Subject: [joe-frank-list] Yet another format discussion In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20030611011856.01db5ca0@216.239.132.20> i think Joe should release all of his shows in the test pressing format on fragile acetate LPs...for maximum sound quality. sure, they will wear out after about 10 plays, but that will just make you cherish each listen more. the unparalleled sonic experience will make you come in your Fred Segal britches. i must say, this debate on the merits of different digital encoding schemes has me on the edge of my seat. i can't wait for the logical follow up - the gripping discussion of mac vs. pc. woo, baby! the fur is gonna fly! yer pal, mjp At 06:35 PM 6/10/2003 -0400, you wrote: > >>Horribleness is not a function of MP3 encoding, _per se_. > >It absolutely is. > > >>Many of the JF MP3s in circulation were ripped from cassette and > >>encoded poorly. The format itself is not to blame. > >There is nothing inherently wrong with ripping from cassette. The poor >quality recordings were not suffering from tape hiss or any other obvious >cassette induced analog problem. They were clearly suffering from >"digititis". Anyone who has ever listened to very low bitrate compressed >voice recordiings will probably know what I mean. Just before speech >starts to become completely unintelligible, a robotic effect occurs. >Transcoding is likely to produce a similar effect. I suspect that the >worst MP3 files were a result of transcoding from a real audio stream to a >relatively low bitrate MP3. > >Also, if you could describe an effective method of "encoding poorly" I >would be grateful. Although I can use both Lame and Fraunhofer MP3 >encoders to encode at virtually any bitrate, I don't currently know of any >method, short of writing my own encoder, to "badly" encode an MP3 file. > > >>Hmmm, takes about 90% less time to burn the same number of shows, > >>uses 90% less plastic, costs a lot less to mail? Shall I go on? > >While I suppose it does take less time to burn a CD-R, I do not believe >that the plastic costs or mailing costs would change in any significant >way. CD-Rs can often be purchased at 10 cents or less per disc, especially >in large quanitities. Have we even established that he is using CD-Rs and >not sending out pressed CDs? The weight and size difference between 1 CD >and 10 CDs is negligable, although, admittedly the weight and size of the >jewel cases does certainly increase. He charges extra for shipping in any >case, so it is not likely that it is included in his pricing calculations. > > >_______________________________________________ >Joe Frank Mailing List >joe-frank-list@joefrank.net >http://www.armory.com/mailman/listinfo.cgi/joe-frank-list From mouse at mousetrap.net Wed Jun 11 09:19:28 2003 From: mouse at mousetrap.net (jason carr) Date: Wed Jun 11 06:09:06 2003 Subject: [joe-frank-list] Yet another format discussion In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Tue, 10 Jun 2003, suricata.suricatta wrote: > >>Many of the JF MP3s in circulation were ripped from cassette and > >>encoded poorly. =A0The format itself is not to blame. > > There is nothing inherently wrong with ripping from cassette. Agreed, but it usually doesn't help. > Also, if you could describe an effective method of "encoding poorly" I wo= uld be grateful. Using a Xing encoder, for example, or one of the other substandard encoders= in wide use at the time the first generation of JF encodes were made.. > >>Hmmm, takes about 90% less time to burn the same number of shows, > >>uses 90% less plastic, costs a lot less to mail? =A0Shall I go on? > > While I suppose it does take less time to burn a CD-R, I do not believe t= hat the plastic costs Not plastic costs, but plastic usage. I was making an environmental argume= nt with that item. >or mailing costs would change in any significant way. CD-Rs can often be p= urchased at 10 cents >or less per disc, especially in large quanitities. It costs more to mail more discs, as US mail is rated by weight. >Have we even established that he is using CD-Rs and not sending out presse= d CDs? Previous purchasers have indicated CD-R, IIRC. I don't know if that's the = case now. >The weight and size difference between 1 CD and 10 CDs is negligable, It costs about $0.60 to mail one cd, and $1.52 to mail 10. That's about a = dollar per order. I don't have any desire to drag this out forever; so you can have the last = word. --=20 jason carr http://www.mousetrap.net/otr/=09=09=09Old Time Radio trades http://greyhound.mousetrap.net/altus/=09Altus, ex-racer From geolyons10 at cox.net Wed Jun 11 14:17:20 2003 From: geolyons10 at cox.net (g.o.l.) Date: Wed Jun 11 13:17:34 2003 Subject: [joe-frank-list] MP3's In-Reply-To: <200306111200.ab04033@deepthought.armory.com> Message-ID: <00b001c33056$79e09d30$02fea8c0@GOL> of course MP3 technology compresses audio drastically in most cases. the best way to preserve/reduce file size of the WAV file (CD AUDIO) is by compressing to SHN, which is virtually lossless and can be converted back to WAV/CD AUDIO at any time with (mkwACT tool). MP3 audio that is encoded above 192kbps is excellent. most ears will not hear the difference. obviously, the trained ear will notice a difference on the extreme high & low ends. an encode of 256kbps or 320kbps is almost undetectable by most human ears. I have compressed JOE FRANK shows at 320kbps that sound perfect! the best site for all these FREE audio compression tools & info is www.etree.org. you will find all the detailed info on digital audio tools you need. there is a WINAMP SHN TOOL that will allow your WINAMP player to play the SHN encoded files (ShnAmp). I find that most programs that will allow you to rip MP3 audio will give you an option on MP3 quality settings. choose the highest setting (normally 320kbps) and give it a listen. if you are still not satisfied with the sound quality, then you need to compress no more than SHN, or simply leave it as a WAV/CD AUDIO file, or disc. geo From dbakins at cox.net Wed Jun 11 16:41:38 2003 From: dbakins at cox.net (Damon Akins) Date: Wed Jun 11 13:48:44 2003 Subject: [joe-frank-list] MP3's References: <00b001c33056$79e09d30$02fea8c0@GOL> Message-ID: <000a01c3306a$9f09ebc0$47c40c44@ok.cox.net> Please stop. Damon ----- Original Message ----- From: "g.o.l." To: Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 1:17 PM Subject: [joe-frank-list] MP3's > of course MP3 technology compresses audio drastically in most cases. > the best way to preserve/reduce file size of the WAV file (CD AUDIO) is > by compressing to SHN, which is virtually lossless and can be converted > back to WAV/CD AUDIO at any time with (mkwACT tool). MP3 audio that is > encoded above 192kbps is excellent. most ears will not hear the > difference. obviously, the trained ear will notice a difference on the > extreme high & low ends. an encode of 256kbps or 320kbps is almost > undetectable by most human ears. I have compressed JOE FRANK shows at > 320kbps that sound perfect! the best site for all these FREE audio > compression tools & info is www.etree.org. you will find all the > detailed info on digital audio tools you need. there is a WINAMP SHN > TOOL that will allow your WINAMP player to play the SHN encoded files > (ShnAmp). I find that most programs that will allow you to rip MP3 > audio will give you an option on MP3 quality settings. choose the > highest setting (normally 320kbps) and give it a listen. if you are > still not satisfied with the sound quality, then you need to compress no > more than SHN, or simply leave it as a WAV/CD AUDIO file, or disc. > geo > > > _______________________________________________ > Joe Frank Mailing List > joe-frank-list@joefrank.net > http://www.armory.com/mailman/listinfo.cgi/joe-frank-list > From stanford at localblack.com Wed Jun 11 14:53:54 2003 From: stanford at localblack.com (Robert Stanford President) Date: Wed Jun 11 13:55:02 2003 Subject: [joe-frank-list] MP3's In-Reply-To: <000a01c3306a$9f09ebc0$47c40c44@ok.cox.net> Message-ID: please stop what? -----Original Message----- From: joe-frank-list-bounces@armory.com [mailto:joe-frank-list-bounces@armory.com]On Behalf Of Damon Akins Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 3:42 PM To: george@thelyonsden.net; Joe Frank Mailing List Subject: Re: [joe-frank-list] MP3's Please stop. Damon ----- Original Message ----- From: "g.o.l." To: Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 1:17 PM Subject: [joe-frank-list] MP3's > of course MP3 technology compresses audio drastically in most cases. > the best way to preserve/reduce file size of the WAV file (CD AUDIO) is > by compressing to SHN, which is virtually lossless and can be converted > back to WAV/CD AUDIO at any time with (mkwACT tool). MP3 audio that is > encoded above 192kbps is excellent. most ears will not hear the > difference. obviously, the trained ear will notice a difference on the > extreme high & low ends. an encode of 256kbps or 320kbps is almost > undetectable by most human ears. I have compressed JOE FRANK shows at > 320kbps that sound perfect! the best site for all these FREE audio > compression tools & info is www.etree.org. you will find all the > detailed info on digital audio tools you need. there is a WINAMP SHN > TOOL that will allow your WINAMP player to play the SHN encoded files > (ShnAmp). I find that most programs that will allow you to rip MP3 > audio will give you an option on MP3 quality settings. choose the > highest setting (normally 320kbps) and give it a listen. if you are > still not satisfied with the sound quality, then you need to compress no > more than SHN, or simply leave it as a WAV/CD AUDIO file, or disc. > geo > > > _______________________________________________ > Joe Frank Mailing List > joe-frank-list@joefrank.net > http://www.armory.com/mailman/listinfo.cgi/joe-frank-list > _______________________________________________ Joe Frank Mailing List joe-frank-list@joefrank.net http://www.armory.com/mailman/listinfo.cgi/joe-frank-list From boojum at charter.net Wed Jun 11 14:57:37 2003 From: boojum at charter.net (Sandy Noyes) Date: Wed Jun 11 13:57:49 2003 Subject: [joe-frank-list] MP3's In-Reply-To: <000a01c3306a$9f09ebc0$47c40c44@ok.cox.net> Message-ID: If this refers to the MP3 and other audio formats a better place is www.hydrogenaudio.org. On Wed, 11 Jun 2003 15:41:38 -0700, Damon Akins wrote: >Please stop. >Damon "The elevator is broken; you'll have to use the steps." Sandy Noyes 235 Rainbow Drive PMB 13579 Livingston, TX 77399-2035 boojum@escapees.com From matthewshepherd at hotmail.com Wed Jun 11 18:00:09 2003 From: matthewshepherd at hotmail.com (Matt Shepherd) Date: Wed Jun 11 13:59:04 2003 Subject: [joe-frank-list] MP3's References: <00b001c33056$79e09d30$02fea8c0@GOL> Message-ID: I hate to sound like a dink, guys, but isn't it a bit silly to be arguing so much about a radio show? Let's face it -- unless you were sitting in the booth or parked about six feet from the transmitter, an MP3 is going to be better in quality than any way you'd ever have heard these shows when they were originally broadcast. If Joe was happy putting it out over the air, I'm happy listening to it at roughly the same quality as I would be off-air on my stereo. - Matt Shepherd www.man-man.org From stanford at localblack.com Wed Jun 11 15:11:16 2003 From: stanford at localblack.com (Robert Stanford President) Date: Wed Jun 11 14:11:57 2003 Subject: [joe-frank-list] MP3's In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Yes, he may like that effect anyway. -----Original Message----- From: joe-frank-list-bounces@armory.com [mailto:joe-frank-list-bounces@armory.com]On Behalf Of Matt Shepherd Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 2:00 PM To: Joe Frank Mailing List Subject: Re: [joe-frank-list] MP3's I hate to sound like a dink, guys, but isn't it a bit silly to be arguing so much about a radio show? Let's face it -- unless you were sitting in the booth or parked about six feet from the transmitter, an MP3 is going to be better in quality than any way you'd ever have heard these shows when they were originally broadcast. If Joe was happy putting it out over the air, I'm happy listening to it at roughly the same quality as I would be off-air on my stereo. - Matt Shepherd www.man-man.org _______________________________________________ Joe Frank Mailing List joe-frank-list@joefrank.net http://www.armory.com/mailman/listinfo.cgi/joe-frank-list From sheilarae at rocketmail.com Wed Jun 11 16:07:13 2003 From: sheilarae at rocketmail.com (Sheila Gloss) Date: Wed Jun 11 15:07:15 2003 Subject: [joe-frank-list] Mind if I change the subject? In-Reply-To: <000a01c3306a$9f09ebc0$47c40c44@ok.cox.net> Message-ID: <20030611220713.32272.qmail@web13903.mail.yahoo.com> According to the JF site, "'Plerophory of Pain' is now available for sale! The last show Joe produced just before he departed KCRW features Larry and Zack Block. It has never been aired - order the show in its edited or unedited version." Has anyone heard it yet? I'm curious, but I'm not inclined to order a show I haven't already heard. For me, many of the more recent shows are great for one listen, but not really something I need to own a copy of. And on a completely different note, a couple of months back I went to a day-long meditation retreat with Jack Kornfield at Spirit Rock in Marin County. As you may have noticed from the exerpts in Joe's work, he has a great sense of humor. I was occasionally distracted from my practice, however, by musings on Larry Block, Debbie Mae West, etc. I guess I'd become accustomed to that sort of "juxtaposition of the sacred and the profain." :) --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://deepthought.armory.com/pipermail/joe-frank-list/attachments/20030611/e52317bc/attachment.htm From suricatta at rcn.com Wed Jun 11 20:34:18 2003 From: suricatta at rcn.com (suricata.suricatta) Date: Wed Jun 11 16:35:14 2003 Subject: [joe-frank-list] Mind if I change the subject? In-Reply-To: <000a01c3306a$9f09ebc0$47c40c44@ok.cox.net> References: <20030611220713.32272.qmail@web13903.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: >>For me, many of >>the more recent shows are great for one listen, but not >>really something I need to own a copy of. I am inclined From suricatta at rcn.com Wed Jun 11 20:37:03 2003 From: suricatta at rcn.com (suricata.suricatta) Date: Wed Jun 11 16:37:58 2003 Subject: [joe-frank-list] Mind if I change the subject? In-Reply-To: <000a01c3306a$9f09ebc0$47c40c44@ok.cox.net> References: <20030611220713.32272.qmail@web13903.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: to agree. I just don't find Larry and Debbie to be as interesting as Joe's older, more artistic, monologues. From natsoulas at yahoo.com Thu Jun 12 08:00:59 2003 From: natsoulas at yahoo.com (Tony Natsoulas) Date: Thu Jun 12 07:01:07 2003 Subject: [joe-frank-list] Mind if I change the subject? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20030612140059.41752.qmail@web42003.mail.yahoo.com> I am with you. I find Larry whinny and uninteresting. --- "suricata.suricatta" wrote: > to agree. I just don't find Larry and Debbie to be > as interesting as Joe's older, more artistic, > monologues. > > _______________________________________________ > Joe Frank Mailing List > joe-frank-list@joefrank.net > http://www.armory.com/mailman/listinfo.cgi/joe-frank-list ===== Tony and Donna Natsoulas email@*.com Webpage:http://www.tonynatsoulas.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com From dbakins at cox.net Thu Jun 12 10:49:19 2003 From: dbakins at cox.net (Damon Akins) Date: Thu Jun 12 07:56:35 2003 Subject: [joe-frank-list] Mind if I change the subject? References: <20030612140059.41752.qmail@web42003.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <005f01c33102$91a65ac0$47c40c44@ok.cox.net> I'll weigh in to defend the later work. There was something dangerous and tenuous about the Larry episodes. More than just the usual fascination with dysfunction, there was an uncertainty and immediacy that made them compelling. They were more "real" than his older material -- more process than product, if that makes sense. Unfortunately, that doesn't work so well in replay, where the older monologues do. Damon ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tony Natsoulas" <*@yahoo.com> To: "Joe Frank Mailing List" Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2003 7:00 AM Subject: Re: [joe-frank-list] Mind if I change the subject? > I am with you. I find Larry whinny and uninteresting. > --- "suricata.suricatta" wrote: > > to agree. I just don't find Larry and Debbie to be > > as interesting as Joe's older, more artistic, > > monologues. > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Joe Frank Mailing List > > joe-frank-list@joefrank.net > > > http://www.armory.com/mailman/listinfo.cgi/joe-frank-list > > > ===== > Tony and Donna Natsoulas email@*.com Webpage:http://www.tonynatsoulas.com > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. > http://search.yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > Joe Frank Mailing List > joe-frank-list@joefrank.net > http://www.armory.com/mailman/listinfo.cgi/joe-frank-list From dbakins at cox.net Thu Jun 12 11:25:26 2003 From: dbakins at cox.net (Damon Akins) Date: Thu Jun 12 08:32:47 2003 Subject: [joe-frank-list] mp3s Message-ID: <009001c33107$9cfa7e60$47c40c44@ok.cox.net> I just find the highly technical, obscure arguments over format off topic for a list ostensibly devoted to Joe Frank. It is obviously of great interest to some, but it seems more appropriate for an off-list conversation. I second Matt Shepherd's comments that the shows were originally intended for the radio, and it seems the question of high-quality audio is really missing the point. As to your question, no. I enjoy the discussions on the list. But this one seemed to have ranged off-topic. Not sure why my message engendered such a heated response. Damon ----- Original Message ----- From: "g.o.l." To: "'Damon Akins'" Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 5:41 PM Subject: RE: [joe-frank-list] MP3's > huh? > are you a dick, or is it just your natural nature? > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Damon Akins [mailto:dbakins@cox.net] > Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 3:42 PM > To: george@thelyonsden.net; Joe Frank Mailing List > Subject: Re: [joe-frank-list] MP3's > > > Please stop. > Damon > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "g.o.l." > To: > Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 1:17 PM > Subject: [joe-frank-list] MP3's > > > > of course MP3 technology compresses audio drastically in most cases. > > the best way to preserve/reduce file size of the WAV file (CD AUDIO) > > is by compressing to SHN, which is virtually lossless and can be > > converted back to WAV/CD AUDIO at any time with (mkwACT tool). MP3 > > audio that is encoded above 192kbps is excellent. most ears will not > > hear the difference. obviously, the trained ear will notice a > > difference on the extreme high & low ends. an encode of 256kbps or > > 320kbps is almost undetectable by most human ears. I have compressed > > JOE FRANK shows at 320kbps that sound perfect! the best site for all > > these FREE audio compression tools & info is www.etree.org. you will > > find all the detailed info on digital audio tools you need. there is > > a WINAMP SHN TOOL that will allow your WINAMP player to play the SHN > > encoded files (ShnAmp). I find that most programs that will allow you > > > to rip MP3 audio will give you an option on MP3 quality settings. > > choose the highest setting (normally 320kbps) and give it a listen. > > if you are still not satisfied with the sound quality, then you need > > to compress no more than SHN, or simply leave it as a WAV/CD AUDIO > > file, or disc. geo > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Joe Frank Mailing List > > joe-frank-list@joefrank.net > > http://www.armory.com/mailman/listinfo.cgi/joe-frank-list > > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://deepthought.armory.com/pipermail/joe-frank-list/attachments/20030612/5aac9604/attachment-0001.htm From geolyons10 at cox.net Thu Jun 12 13:28:58 2003 From: geolyons10 at cox.net (g.o.l.) Date: Thu Jun 12 12:29:27 2003 Subject: [joe-frank-list] Mp3's In-Reply-To: <002601c330f5$0fe9b0c0$47c40c44@ok.cox.net> Message-ID: <010501c33118$df66fab0$02fea8c0@GOL> you were rude, and my response was also. you get what you give! you may feel this is off topic, but there are many who probably learned something, considering that I was actually answering a question on the JOE FRANK server from another subscriber. to preserve the quality of the recording for future listening has nothing to do with the original intended use, and you obviously have missed the point all together if you feel that way. I have a radio show of my own, and have gotten permission from JOE FRANK HIMSELF to play excerpts from his shows on my show. should I not be concerned with the quality of the original intended use? then again, I'm using it as it was originally intended, but not in it's original format. am I off topic here? I think you should become the moderator for this list, then you could decide what's on, and off, topic. I don't know you or MATT SHEPHERD, and I don't really care what either of you think. your message only engendered what you created. I simply responded. if you can't take the heat, you should keep your comments out of the public forum. or, start your own list server where you can moderate to your hearts desire. I can only imagine JOE FRANK at home laughing his ass off while he reads this drivel. geo -----Original Message----- From: Damon Akins [mailto:dbakins@cox.net] Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2003 8:13 AM To: george@thelyonsden.net Subject: Re: [joe-frank-list] MP3's I just find the highly technical, obscure arguments over format off topic for a list ostensibly devoted to Joe Frank. It is obviously of great interest to some, but it seems more appropriate for an off-list conversation. I second Matt Shepherd's comments that the shows were originally intended for the radio, and it seems the question of high-quality audio is really missing the point. As to your question, no. I enjoy the discussions on the list. But this one seemed to have ranged off-topic. Not sure why my message engendered such a heated response. Damon From matthewshepherd at hotmail.com Thu Jun 12 17:03:55 2003 From: matthewshepherd at hotmail.com (Matt Shepherd) Date: Thu Jun 12 13:02:20 2003 Subject: [joe-frank-list] Mp3's References: <010501c33118$df66fab0$02fea8c0@GOL> Message-ID: Hi geo, and all you other Frankophiles, While it's always a pleasure to see my name in all caps, I'd rather not be dragged into a full-bore raging debate over what I hoped would be a disarming comment. I saw tempers flaring in what is usually a pretty easygoing group over the MP3 argument, and I thought the point that debating audio quality of a show intended for radio is a bit redundant was a very valid point to raise. My hope was that people might sit back and relax about the whole thing. Now, whether or not you think my point is valid or not is obviously beyond my control, but having my name "shouted" along with the statement that you don't care what I think is pretty demeaning. I'd like to think that everyone who contributes to this group has something to say about Joe Frank and his work, and that all comments made in the spirit of friendliness and constructive criticism will be welcome. > I can only > imagine JOE FRANK at home laughing his ass off while he reads this > drivel. Man, I hope he has better things to do. Joe, if you ARE reading this, turn off your computer and go do some radio. Please. - Matt Shepherd www.man-man.org From geolyons10 at cox.net Thu Jun 12 14:13:58 2003 From: geolyons10 at cox.net (g.o.l.) Date: Thu Jun 12 13:14:38 2003 Subject: [joe-frank-list] Mp3's In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <010c01c3311f$2bc16e30$02fea8c0@GOL> your comments are duly noted. my apology. geo p.s. I'm sure Joe is right in the mix, he always is! -----Original Message----- From: Matt Shepherd [mailto:matthewshepherd@hotmail.com] Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2003 1:04 PM To: george@thelyonsden.net; Joe Frank Mailing List Subject: Re: [joe-frank-list] Mp3's Hi geo, and all you other Frankophiles, While it's always a pleasure to see my name in all caps, I'd rather not be dragged into a full-bore raging debate over what I hoped would be a disarming comment. I saw tempers flaring in what is usually a pretty easygoing group over the MP3 argument, and I thought the point that debating audio quality of a show intended for radio is a bit redundant was a very valid point to raise. My hope was that people might sit back and relax about the whole thing. Now, whether or not you think my point is valid or not is obviously beyond my control, but having my name "shouted" along with the statement that you don't care what I think is pretty demeaning. I'd like to think that everyone who contributes to this group has something to say about Joe Frank and his work, and that all comments made in the spirit of friendliness and constructive criticism will be welcome. > I can only > imagine JOE FRANK at home laughing his ass off while he reads this > drivel. Man, I hope he has better things to do. Joe, if you ARE reading this, turn off your computer and go do some radio. Please. - Matt Shepherd www.man-man.org From dbakins at cox.net Thu Jun 12 16:13:40 2003 From: dbakins at cox.net (Damon Akins) Date: Thu Jun 12 13:20:32 2003 Subject: [joe-frank-list] Mp3's [off-topic] References: <010501c33118$df66fab0$02fea8c0@GOL> Message-ID: <001401c3312f$e187c060$47c40c44@ok.cox.net> Well... I certainly can take the heat, but didn't expect to have to. I am fully aware that you were answering a question from another subscriber. My request ["please stop"] was not directed at you personally, although it would appear that way as it was a reply to your message. Rather it was a comment on the general direction of the messages. Perhaps I should have left it alone. But to be clear, I am not suggesting that people weren't learning something, nor that you [or they] shouldn't be concerned with the quality of the show. As far as the following: ["to preserve the quality of the recording for future listening has nothing to do with the original intended use, and you obviously have missed the point all together if you feel that way."], I'm not sure how you can get that from anything I've written. So, my brief comment may have been rude, but you have taken this in a decidedly different direction. In that light, a few comments... I haven't listened to The Lyons Den [KUNV, Sundays, 10:00], but, based on your references in the interviews on KUNV's website, it sounds like a good mix of music -- "pushing the envelope in music" as you said. However, there is an attitude in your emails, in particular your reply here and the message that prompted my entry into the conversation, that smacks of conceit. Lots of people have radio shows. Lots of them are quite good. But somehow the fact that you have one, and that you have permission from JOE FRANK HIMSELF [your caps, not mine -- telling] justifies your dismissive tone. Apparently, that tenuous relationship also logically justifies the extended discussions of technical questions. I may have been rude, but I didn't base my comments in the conceit of self righteousness. Further, it wasn't my intent to make an editorial suggestion. I don't want to moderate this, or any other list. If I were the moderator, I certainly wouldn't have edited out your messages. I merely stated a request [please stop] based on an opinion [that the extended technical discussion could be better served off-list]. Most of the lists I belong to are academic, where there is an understood consideration for the burgeoning size of recipients' mailboxes. As such, discussions stay focused on the topic at hand, tangents take place off list. Many of the informal lists I have belonged to grew so tiresome with vituperative personal attacks and general inane off topic nonsense that I unsubscribed. Perhaps that motivated my response. I'd hate to see this list follow suit. Understandably, it is not an academic list, but it seems JF deserves better than the usual fanzine drivel. In the meantime, you [George] have a radio show of your very own to run, and I guess it's just my "natural nature" to come across rude. [Although, if Joe is laughing at any of this -- it is this redundancy from your original reply] Damon ----- Original Message ----- From: "g.o.l." To: "'Damon Akins'" ; Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2003 12:28 PM Subject: RE: [joe-frank-list] Mp3's > you were rude, and my response was also. you get what you give! you > may feel this is off topic, but there are many who probably learned > something, considering that I was actually answering a question on the > JOE FRANK server from another subscriber. to preserve the quality of > the recording for future listening has nothing to do with the original > intended use, and you obviously have missed the point all together if > you feel that way. I have a radio show of my own, and have gotten > permission from JOE FRANK HIMSELF to play excerpts from his shows on my > show. should I not be concerned with the quality of the original > intended use? then again, I'm using it as it was originally intended, > but not in it's original format. am I off topic here? I think you > should become the moderator for this list, then you could decide what's > on, and off, topic. I don't know you or MATT SHEPHERD, and I don't > really care what either of you think. your message only engendered what > you created. I simply responded. if you can't take the heat, you > should keep your comments out of the public forum. or, start your own > list server where you can moderate to your hearts desire. I can only > imagine JOE FRANK at home laughing his ass off while he reads this > drivel. > geo > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Damon Akins [mailto:dbakins@cox.net] > Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2003 8:13 AM > To: george@thelyonsden.net > Subject: Re: [joe-frank-list] MP3's > > > I just find the highly technical, obscure arguments over format off > topic for a list ostensibly devoted to Joe Frank. It is obviously of > great interest to some, but it seems more appropriate for an off-list > conversation. > > I second Matt Shepherd's comments that the shows were originally > intended for the radio, and it seems the question of high-quality audio > is really missing the point. > > As to your question, no. I enjoy the discussions on the list. But this > one seemed to have ranged off-topic. > > Not sure why my message engendered such a heated response. > > Damon > > > _______________________________________________ > Joe Frank Mailing List > joe-frank-list@joefrank.net > http://www.armory.com/mailman/listinfo.cgi/joe-frank-list From dbakins at cox.net Thu Jun 12 16:18:27 2003 From: dbakins at cox.net (Damon Akins) Date: Thu Jun 12 13:25:39 2003 Subject: [joe-frank-list] Mp3's References: <010501c33118$df66fab0$02fea8c0@GOL> Message-ID: <002401c33130$8c8dcb80$47c40c44@ok.cox.net> Once again, I find myself seconding Matt Shepherd. His concise reply does a better job of ending the discussion than my longwinded reply. His advice is sound and I for one, will take it. Damon ----- Original Message ----- From: "Matt Shepherd" To: ; "Joe Frank Mailing List" Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2003 1:03 PM Subject: Re: [joe-frank-list] Mp3's > Hi geo, and all you other Frankophiles, > > While it's always a pleasure to see my name in all caps, I'd rather not be > dragged into a full-bore raging debate over what I hoped would be a > disarming comment. > > I saw tempers flaring in what is usually a pretty easygoing group over the > MP3 argument, and I thought the point that debating audio quality of a show > intended for radio is a bit redundant was a very valid point to raise. My > hope was that people might sit back and relax about the whole thing. > > Now, whether or not you think my point is valid or not is obviously beyond > my control, but having my name "shouted" along with the statement that you > don't care what I think is pretty demeaning. I'd like to think that everyone > who contributes to this group has something to say about Joe Frank and his > work, and that all comments made in the spirit of friendliness and > constructive criticism will be welcome. > > > I can only > > imagine JOE FRANK at home laughing his ass off while he reads this > > drivel. > > Man, I hope he has better things to do. Joe, if you ARE reading this, turn > off your computer and go do some radio. Please. > > - Matt Shepherd > www.man-man.org > > _______________________________________________ > Joe Frank Mailing List > joe-frank-list@joefrank.net > http://www.armory.com/mailman/listinfo.cgi/joe-frank-list > From ddyer at real-me.net Sat Jun 14 12:06:56 2003 From: ddyer at real-me.net (Dave Dyer) Date: Sat Jun 14 11:07:48 2003 Subject: [joe-frank-list] Joe's lost treasures Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.1.20030614105041.02db5e18@127.0.0.1> I lucked into hearing A Kiss is Just a Kiss, part 1 on the KVDS broadcast/webcast from last Saturday 11pm. The archive is still available until replaced by next program, which presumably will be part 2. The archive cuts off just short of the end of the program, but you can hear the rest of it at the start of the next archived program from Sunday AM. see http://www.kdvs.org/ A Kiss is Just a Kiss is an interesting program for several reasons. It's 3 hours long, and apparently very early work - Joe was still a little rough around the edges back then, especially the end of the third hour. Substantially the same story is reworked into To the Bar Life, an excellent 1 hour program. Joe seems to have disavowed the existance of this program - it's not listed on his web site, despite its claim to list all the shows he has ever done. KVDS seems to be in a cycle of playing Joe's golden oldies from the work-in-progress era, which are hard to find. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: http://deepthought.armory.com/pipermail/joe-frank-list/attachments/20030614/ca033914/attachment.htm From jonaw at infionline.net Mon Jun 16 00:19:29 2003 From: jonaw at infionline.net (Jonathan Waterbury) Date: Sun Jun 15 20:19:34 2003 Subject: [joe-frank-list] Re: joe-frank-list Digest, Vol 2, Issue 9 References: <200306151201.ab10637@deepthought.armory.com> Message-ID: <3EED3741.7CC277EF@infionline.net> > Message: 1 > Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2003 14:04:06 -0700 > From: Dave Dyer > Subject: [joe-frank-list] Joe's lost treasures (take 2) > To: joe-frank-list@armory.com > Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.1.20030614135757.02ea17d8@127.0.0.1> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > My "oops" here, the program I heard was To The Bar Life, but > the bozo at kvds had played side 2 first, followed by side 1, > so what I heard at the end of the program sounded like what > would come immediately before the start of part 2 of A Kiss > is Just a Kiss. Part 1 of Kiss remains among the missing. I tuned in to KVDS via computer late last night hoping to hear some Joe, as a result of the first "A Kiss is Just a Kiss" message. It didn't sound like anything of his I'd heard before, and I've heard most of what's been available over the years, but I was a few minutes late and hoping that the inane rambling I was hearing was something he was using towards some more interesting purpose. But I finally called the station and found that Joe's shows have been put on some kind of "hold" at that station and what I was listening to was some "spoken word" by Jello Biafra. I was suprized that guy is still around. Pretty embarassing stuff by itself. I'm thinking there are issues now occuring to somebody at the station about their legal rights as far as broadcasting the material. From stanford at localblack.com Sun Jun 15 22:03:19 2003 From: stanford at localblack.com (Robert W. Stanford President) Date: Sun Jun 15 20:59:51 2003 Subject: [joe-frank-list] Re: joe-frank-list Digest, Vol 2, Issue 9 In-Reply-To: <3EED3741.7CC277EF@infionline.net> Message-ID: ok, so now let me get this straight, unless I tune in on the radio somehow, is the only way I can sample joe's stuff to see what I am looking for to buy them on the best guess of the title from his website? -----Original Message----- From: joe-frank-list-bounces@armory.com [mailto:joe-frank-list-bounces@armory.com]On Behalf Of Jonathan Waterbury Sent: Sunday, June 15, 2003 8:19 PM To: joe-frank-list@armory.com Subject: [joe-frank-list] Re: joe-frank-list Digest, Vol 2, Issue 9 > Message: 1 > Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2003 14:04:06 -0700 > From: Dave Dyer > Subject: [joe-frank-list] Joe's lost treasures (take 2) > To: joe-frank-list@armory.com > Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.1.20030614135757.02ea17d8@127.0.0.1> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > My "oops" here, the program I heard was To The Bar Life, but > the bozo at kvds had played side 2 first, followed by side 1, > so what I heard at the end of the program sounded like what > would come immediately before the start of part 2 of A Kiss > is Just a Kiss. Part 1 of Kiss remains among the missing. I tuned in to KVDS via computer late last night hoping to hear some Joe, as a result of the first "A Kiss is Just a Kiss" message. It didn't sound like anything of his I'd heard before, and I've heard most of what's been available over the years, but I was a few minutes late and hoping that the inane rambling I was hearing was something he was using towards some more interesting purpose. But I finally called the station and found that Joe's shows have been put on some kind of "hold" at that station and what I was listening to was some "spoken word" by Jello Biafra. I was suprized that guy is still around. Pretty embarassing stuff by itself. I'm thinking there are issues now occuring to somebody at the station about their legal rights as far as broadcasting the material. _______________________________________________ Joe Frank Mailing List joe-frank-list@joefrank.net http://www.armory.com/mailman/listinfo.cgi/joe-frank-list From daveg at post1.com Mon Jun 16 01:31:34 2003 From: daveg at post1.com (David Gutierrez) Date: Sun Jun 15 21:22:53 2003 Subject: [joe-frank-list] Re: joe-frank-list Digest, Vol 2, Issue 9 References: Message-ID: <3EED4826.6090106@post1.com> Remember that he has all (or almost all) his shows streaming from his website so you can 'sample' what you want before you lay down your hard earned cash for it. Dave Robert W. Stanford President wrote: >ok, so now let me get this straight, unless I tune in on the radio somehow, >is the only way I can sample joe's stuff to see what I am looking for to buy >them on the best guess of the title from his website? > From rogerantibodies at hotmail.com Mon Jun 16 13:58:10 2003 From: rogerantibodies at hotmail.com (ROGER HILL) Date: Mon Jun 16 09:58:14 2003 Subject: [joe-frank-list] Re: joe-frank-list Digest, Vol 2, Issue 9 Message-ID: You can listen to streams of many of his shows on the official website. It is on the RealPlayer format; you can listen but not download. They probably have at least half of the shows streamed. Roger >From: "Robert W. Stanford President" >Reply-To: Joe Frank Mailing List >To: Joe Frank Mailing List >Subject: RE: [joe-frank-list] Re: joe-frank-list Digest, Vol 2, Issue 9 >Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2003 21:03:19 -0700 > >ok, so now let me get this straight, unless I tune in on the radio somehow, >is the only way I can sample joe's stuff to see what I am looking for to >buy >them on the best guess of the title from his website? > >-----Original Message----- >From: joe-frank-list-bounces@armory.com >[mailto:joe-frank-list-bounces@armory.com]On Behalf Of Jonathan >Waterbury >Sent: Sunday, June 15, 2003 8:19 PM >To: joe-frank-list@armory.com >Subject: [joe-frank-list] Re: joe-frank-list Digest, Vol 2, Issue 9 > > > > Message: 1 > > Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2003 14:04:06 -0700 > > From: Dave Dyer > > Subject: [joe-frank-list] Joe's lost treasures (take 2) > > To: joe-frank-list@armory.com > > Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.1.20030614135757.02ea17d8@127.0.0.1> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > > > My "oops" here, the program I heard was To The Bar Life, but > > the bozo at kvds had played side 2 first, followed by side 1, > > so what I heard at the end of the program sounded like what > > would come immediately before the start of part 2 of A Kiss > > is Just a Kiss. Part 1 of Kiss remains among the missing. > >I tuned in to KVDS via computer late last night hoping to hear some Joe, as >a result of the first "A Kiss is >Just a Kiss" message. It didn't sound like anything of his I'd heard >before, >and I've heard most of what's been >available over the years, but I was a few minutes late and hoping that the >inane rambling I was hearing was >something he was using towards some more interesting purpose. >But I finally called the station and found that Joe's shows have been put >on >some kind of "hold" at that station >and what I was listening to was some "spoken word" by Jello Biafra. I was >suprized that guy is still around. >Pretty embarassing stuff by itself. > >I'm thinking there are issues now occuring to somebody at the station about >their legal rights as far as >broadcasting the material. > > > > >_______________________________________________ >Joe Frank Mailing List >joe-frank-list@joefrank.net >http://www.armory.com/mailman/listinfo.cgi/joe-frank-list > >_______________________________________________ >Joe Frank Mailing List >joe-frank-list@joefrank.net >http://www.armory.com/mailman/listinfo.cgi/joe-frank-list _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus From shiro at oddjob.uchicago.edu Mon Jun 16 17:16:20 2003 From: shiro at oddjob.uchicago.edu (Erik Shirokoff) Date: Mon Jun 16 14:16:23 2003 Subject: [joe-frank-list] prison songs recording Message-ID: <20030616161620.A19702@oddjob.uchicago.edu> Hi folks - This may be old news to many, but it's new to me so I thought I'd share it. I know the topic was brought up some time ago on the list, but I don't remember a definitive answer. For some reason I haven't been able to find the discussion in the archives. I think I've found the source for the prison songs featured in several of Joe's more recent programs. (prison songs, men of the cloth, etc) At least some of the material seems to come from a compilation of field recording made in 1947 and released in the 50s on the album "Negro Prison Songs." It's been re-released on two CDs by rounder. I haven't gotten copies of the cds yet, but a few of the clips on Amazon.com, particularly from volume 1, seem to be identical to material from JF. The albums are: Prison Songs: Historical Recordings from Parchman Farm 1947-48 Volume 1: Murderous Home (Alan Lomax, Rounder CD 1714, 1997, #ASIN: B0000002UV) Prison Songs: Historical Recordings from Parchman Farm 1947-48 Volume 2. Don'tcha Hear Poor Mother Calling? (Alan Lomax, Rounder CD 1715, 1997, #ASIN: B0000002UW) Here's a review with some more info: http://www.mustrad.org.uk/reviews/prison.htm enjoy - - Erik -- Erik Shirokoff From sublet3 at hotmail.com Thu Jun 19 20:03:07 2003 From: sublet3 at hotmail.com (sublet) Date: Thu Jun 19 20:02:03 2003 Subject: [joe-frank-list] The Nature of Things Message-ID: Does anyone know the music at the beginning of "The Nature of Things"? Where Joe is talking about the Big Bang, the Hatchet fish, etc. It sounds like mostly just piano and drums. Thanks! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://deepthought.armory.com/pipermail/joe-frank-list/attachments/20030619/927ffdc3/attachment.htm From boojum at charter.net Thu Jun 19 21:47:35 2003 From: boojum at charter.net (Sandy Noyes) Date: Thu Jun 19 20:47:43 2003 Subject: [joe-frank-list] The Nature of Things In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Yeah, it is piano and drums, but that is all I can tell you. --Original Message Text--- From: sublet Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 19:03:07 -0700 Does anyone know the music at the beginning of "The Nature of Things"? Where Joe is talking about the Big Bang, the Hatchet fish, etc. It sounds like mostly just piano and drums. Thanks! "Funny thing about my luck: the harder I work the better it seems to get. " S. B. Leacock Sandy Noyes 235 Rainbow Drive PMB 13579 Livingston, TX 77399-2035 boojum@escapees.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://deepthought.armory.com/pipermail/joe-frank-list/attachments/20030619/83a64796/attachment.htm From kalle at kalle.com Fri Jun 20 00:35:38 2003 From: kalle at kalle.com (Kalle Hoffman) Date: Thu Jun 19 23:37:29 2003 Subject: [joe-frank-list] FW: Driving me crazy Message-ID: <20030620063538.GA5285@deeptht.armory.com> ----- Forwarded message from Christopher Burke ----- > From: "Christopher Burke" > To: > Subject: Driving me crazy > Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 20:01:10 -0700 > > I hope you can help > > I'm looking for a certain Joe Frank program that talks about a "Black hole" > or something about it. I'm fuzzy about the details, but I remember that > people pray into the black hole. > Any ideas? > > Christopher Robert Burke > Filmmaker > Los Angeles, C.A. > burkephoto@hotmail.com > ----- End forwarded message ----- From Parker70400 at aol.com Fri Jun 20 08:28:58 2003 From: Parker70400 at aol.com (Parker70400@aol.com) Date: Fri Jun 20 04:29:22 2003 Subject: [joe-frank-list] FW: Driving me crazy Message-ID: <219F1627.6A5EE285.3D20F528@aol.com> Wellll...there IS a program entitled "Black Hole". Call me wacky, but that's where I'd look first. Smiles & socks, M From boojum at charter.net Fri Jun 20 06:46:25 2003 From: boojum at charter.net (Sandy Noyes) Date: Fri Jun 20 05:46:51 2003 Subject: [joe-frank-list] FW: Driving me crazy In-Reply-To: <219F1627.6A5EE285.3D20F528@aol.com> Message-ID: Black Hole, 1984, The Other Side. On Fri, 20 Jun 2003 07:28:58 -0400, Parker70400@aol.com wrote: >Wellll...there IS a program entitled "Black Hole". Call me wacky, but that's where I'd look first. > >Smiles & socks, > >M >_______________________________________________ >Joe Frank Mailing List >joe-frank-list@joefrank.net >http://www.armory.com/mailman/listinfo.cgi/joe-frank-list "Funny thing about my luck: the harder I work the better it seems to get. " S. B. Leacock Sandy Noyes 235 Rainbow Drive PMB 13579 Livingston, TX 77399-2035 boojum@escapees.com From sublet3 at hotmail.com Fri Jun 20 06:50:56 2003 From: sublet3 at hotmail.com (sublet) Date: Fri Jun 20 05:49:39 2003 Subject: [joe-frank-list] FW: Driving me crazy References: <219F1627.6A5EE285.3D20F528@aol.com> Message-ID: Actually, that sounds like the Work in Progress program called "At the Border". He talks about the "hole worshipers" and drills his own hole to worship. Excellent show. It's in both the original and remix (which I believe is half "Thank You, You're Beautiful"). I think it's also in Philosophy. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; "Joe Frank Mailing List" Sent: Friday, June 20, 2003 4:28 AM Subject: Re: [joe-frank-list] FW: Driving me crazy > Wellll...there IS a program entitled "Black Hole". Call me wacky, but that's where I'd look first. > > Smiles & socks, > > M > _______________________________________________ > Joe Frank Mailing List > joe-frank-list@joefrank.net > http://www.armory.com/mailman/listinfo.cgi/joe-frank-list > From shiro at oddjob.uchicago.edu Fri Jun 20 12:20:26 2003 From: shiro at oddjob.uchicago.edu (Erik Shirokoff) Date: Fri Jun 20 09:20:30 2003 Subject: [joe-frank-list] FW: Driving me crazy In-Reply-To: ; from sublet3@hotmail.com on Fri, Jun 20, 2003 at 05:50:56AM -0700 References: <219F1627.6A5EE285.3D20F528@aol.com> Message-ID: <20030620112026.A28210@oddjob.uchicago.edu> Good call. It's also in something called "Untitled Live Program, Oct 9 1987". - Erik On Fri, Jun 20, 2003 at 05:50:56AM -0700, sublet wrote: > X-Originating-IP: [64.164.36.151] > X-Originating-Email: [sublet3@hotmail.com] > From: sublet > To: Joe Frank Mailing List > Subject: Re: [joe-frank-list] FW: Driving me crazy > Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 05:50:56 -0700 > X-Priority: 3 > X-MSMail-Priority: Normal > X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4920.2300 > X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4920.2300 > X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Jun 2003 12:49:22.0425 (UTC) > FILETIME=[5F57CE90:01C3372A] > X-BeenThere: joe-frank-list@armory.com > X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 > Precedence: list > Reply-To: Joe Frank Mailing List > List-Id: Joe Frank Mailing List > List-Unsubscribe: , > > List-Archive: > List-Post: > List-Help: > List-Subscribe: , > > Errors-To: joe-frank-list-bounces@armory.com > > Actually, that sounds like the Work in Progress program called "At the > Border". He talks about the "hole worshipers" and drills his own hole to > worship. Excellent show. It's in both the original and remix (which I > believe is half "Thank You, You're Beautiful"). I think it's also in > Philosophy. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: ; "Joe Frank Mailing List" > > Sent: Friday, June 20, 2003 4:28 AM > Subject: Re: [joe-frank-list] FW: Driving me crazy > > > > Wellll...there IS a program entitled "Black Hole". Call me wacky, but > that's where I'd look first. > > > > Smiles & socks, > > > > M > > _______________________________________________ > > Joe Frank Mailing List > > joe-frank-list@joefrank.net > > http://www.armory.com/mailman/listinfo.cgi/joe-frank-list > > > _______________________________________________ > Joe Frank Mailing List > joe-frank-list@joefrank.net > http://www.armory.com/mailman/listinfo.cgi/joe-frank-list -- Erik Shirokoff shiro@oddjob.uchicago.edu Voice: 773-702-9348 Office: AAC 022, Lab: Accel. F13 http://astro.uchicago.edu/~shiro/ From kalle at kalle.com Fri Jun 20 11:28:04 2003 From: kalle at kalle.com (Kalle Hoffman) Date: Fri Jun 20 10:29:51 2003 Subject: [joe-frank-list] FW: Joe Frank Message-ID: <20030620172804.GA20376@deeptht.armory.com> ----- Forwarded message from "Joseph E. Galione" ----- > From: "Joseph E. Galione" > To: kalle@kalle.com > Subject: Joe Frank > Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 12:07:15 -0400 > > > > Hello there, > I am on an wild, extended search for Joe Frank's two Plays (Tour of the > City & The Decline of Spengler) and his book "Queen of Puerto Rico and > Other Stories." I thought that some of his other web fans might know how to > get a hold of these. If you have any info could you pass it along. Write me > back if you can. > Thanks > Joe > ----- End forwarded message ----- From BobL at 1amsoftware.com Fri Jun 20 14:40:57 2003 From: BobL at 1amsoftware.com (Bob Lee) Date: Fri Jun 20 10:50:01 2003 Subject: [joe-frank-list] FW: Joe Frank References: <20030620172804.GA20376@deeptht.armory.com> Message-ID: <01b701c33753$1c824ae0$51c06496@BOB> Decline of spengler is on Joe's site http://www.joefrank.com/shows.html Bob Lee bobl@1amsoftware.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kalle Hoffman" To: "joe-frank mailing list" Sent: Friday, June 20, 2003 1:28 PM Subject: [joe-frank-list] FW: Joe Frank > ----- Forwarded message from "Joseph E. Galione" ----- > > > From: "Joseph E. Galione" > > To: kalle@kalle.com > > Subject: Joe Frank > > Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 12:07:15 -0400 > > > > > > > > Hello there, > > I am on an wild, extended search for Joe Frank's two Plays (Tour of the > > City & The Decline of Spengler) and his book "Queen of Puerto Rico and > > Other Stories." I thought that some of his other web fans might know how to > > get a hold of these. If you have any info could you pass it along. Write me > > back if you can. > > Thanks > > Joe > > > > ----- End forwarded message ----- > _______________________________________________ > Joe Frank Mailing List > joe-frank-list@joefrank.net > http://www.armory.com/mailman/listinfo.cgi/joe-frank-list > From epierce at rcn.com Fri Jun 20 14:54:24 2003 From: epierce at rcn.com (Eric Pierce) Date: Fri Jun 20 10:57:05 2003 Subject: [joe-frank-list] FW: Joe Frank In-Reply-To: <20030620172804.GA20376@deeptht.armory.com> Message-ID: Greetings, My not so wild and extended search (Amazon) led me to this: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0688087655//qid=1056130717/sr= 1-1/ref=sr_1_1/002-8123862-1196004?v=glance&s=books&vi=reviews The Queen of Puerto Rico: And Other Stories Hardcover: 175 pages ; Dimensions (in inches): 0.75 x 8.50 x 5.75 Publisher: William Morrow; (November 1993) ASIN: 0688087655 Tour of the City Hardcover Publisher: Tanam Pr; (October 1985) ASIN: 0934378398 You will find that they both are listed as "Out of Print, Limited Availability." Check out the Editorial Reviews of Joe Frank on Amazon at the link above. Good luck tracking down the books. Maybe Joe has some to sell from his web site? Enjoy, - Eric > -----Original Message----- > From: joe-frank-list-bounces@armory.com > [mailto:joe-frank-list-bounces@armory.com]On Behalf Of Kalle Hoffman > Sent: Friday, June 20, 2003 1:28 PM > To: joe-frank mailing list > Subject: [joe-frank-list] FW: Joe Frank > > > ----- Forwarded message from "Joseph E. Galione" > ----- > > > From: "Joseph E. Galione" > > To: kalle@kalle.com > > Subject: Joe Frank > > Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 12:07:15 -0400 > > > > > > > > Hello there, > > I am on an wild, extended search for Joe Frank's two Plays (Tour of the > > City & The Decline of Spengler) and his book "Queen of Puerto Rico and > > Other Stories." I thought that some of his other web fans might > know how to > > get a hold of these. If you have any info could you pass it > along. Write me > > back if you can. > > Thanks > > Joe > > > > ----- End forwarded message ----- > _______________________________________________ > Joe Frank Mailing List > joe-frank-list@joefrank.net > http://www.armory.com/mailman/listinfo.cgi/joe-frank-list From epierce at rcn.com Fri Jun 20 14:54:24 2003 From: epierce at rcn.com (Eric Pierce) Date: Fri Jun 20 10:57:48 2003 Subject: [joe-frank-list] FW: Joe Frank In-Reply-To: <20030620172804.GA20376@deeptht.armory.com> Message-ID: Greetings, My not so wild and extended search (Amazon) led me to this: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0688087655//qid=1056130717/sr= 1-1/ref=sr_1_1/002-8123862-1196004?v=glance&s=books&vi=reviews The Queen of Puerto Rico: And Other Stories Hardcover: 175 pages ; Dimensions (in inches): 0.75 x 8.50 x 5.75 Publisher: William Morrow; (November 1993) ASIN: 0688087655 Tour of the City Hardcover Publisher: Tanam Pr; (October 1985) ASIN: 0934378398 You will find that they both are listed as "Out of Print, Limited Availability." Check out the Editorial Reviews of Joe Frank on Amazon at the link above. Good luck tracking down the books. Maybe Joe has some to sell from his web site? Enjoy, - Eric > -----Original Message----- > From: joe-frank-list-bounces@armory.com > [mailto:joe-frank-list-bounces@armory.com]On Behalf Of Kalle Hoffman > Sent: Friday, June 20, 2003 1:28 PM > To: joe-frank mailing list > Subject: [joe-frank-list] FW: Joe Frank > > > ----- Forwarded message from "Joseph E. Galione" > ----- > > > From: "Joseph E. Galione" > > To: kalle@kalle.com > > Subject: Joe Frank > > Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 12:07:15 -0400 > > > > > > > > Hello there, > > I am on an wild, extended search for Joe Frank's two Plays (Tour of the > > City & The Decline of Spengler) and his book "Queen of Puerto Rico and > > Other Stories." I thought that some of his other web fans might > know how to > > get a hold of these. If you have any info could you pass it > along. Write me > > back if you can. > > Thanks > > Joe > > > > ----- End forwarded message ----- > _______________________________________________ > Joe Frank Mailing List > joe-frank-list@joefrank.net > http://www.armory.com/mailman/listinfo.cgi/joe-frank-list From BillMilosz at aol.com Fri Jun 20 17:38:16 2003 From: BillMilosz at aol.com (BillMilosz@aol.com) Date: Fri Jun 20 13:38:29 2003 Subject: [joe-frank-list] FW: Joe Frank Message-ID: <1523D89A.5C9CFF7C.0AC03AB1@aol.com> Chicago Public Library has a copy of QUEEN OF PUERTO RICO. You can probably get your local library to get this via Interlibrary loan. I've gotten it from CPL and read it. I prefer the radio version, personally. I tried Alibris, bibliofind, Powells, and all the other out-of-print book sites, and they don't have it. From epierce at rcn.com Sun Jun 22 10:42:47 2003 From: epierce at rcn.com (Eric J. Pierce) Date: Sun Jun 22 06:35:50 2003 Subject: [joe-frank-list] FW: Joe Frank In-Reply-To: <1523D89A.5C9CFF7C.0AC03AB1@aol.com> Message-ID: Hey, It looks like the Metro Boston Library Network has three copies. Or at least, the online catalog search returned three entries (appended below). Reading Joe Frank seems like it would be interesting. Like most people on this list, I've spent countless hours listening to his recordings. I wonder if I won't just hear his voice speaking what I'm reading. Won't it be sorta like books on tape ... without the tape? Enjoy, - Eric -------------------------- The queen of Puerto Rico and other stories / Joe Frank. Frank, Joe. New York : Morrow, 1993. ISBN: 0688087655 Description: p. cm. Contents: Tell me what to do -- Fat man -- Night -- Date -- Walter -- The queen of Puerto Rico -- The decline of Spengler -- Philosophy. Copy/Holding information Copley - General Library Fiction FRANK J Adult In Library Copley - General Library Fiction FRANK J Adult In Library Copley - General Library Fiction FRANK J Adult In Library Copley - RL Stacks Fiction PS3556.R33424 Q4 1993 c.1 In Library Use Only In Library > -----Original Message----- > From: joe-frank-list-bounces@armory.com > [mailto:joe-frank-list-bounces@armory.com]On Behalf Of > BillMilosz@aol.com > Sent: Friday, June 20, 2003 4:38 PM > To: josepherik@hotmail.com; Joe Frank Mailing List > Subject: Re: [joe-frank-list] FW: Joe Frank > > > Chicago Public Library has a copy of QUEEN OF PUERTO RICO. You > can probably get your local library to get this via Interlibrary > loan. I've gotten it from CPL and read it. I prefer the radio > version, personally. > > I tried Alibris, bibliofind, Powells, and all the other > out-of-print book sites, and they don't have it. > _______________________________________________ > Joe Frank Mailing List > joe-frank-list@joefrank.net > http://www.armory.com/mailman/listinfo.cgi/joe-frank-list >